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What happened to Kayn?

I last played 2 or 3 seasons ago was either the season with the mythic items or the one after that. Had a really good win rate one trick on Kayn got to my highest rank at the time plat 2 or 3 with a 60+% win rate.

I’ve come back this season and am playing ranked again. played 5 games on him this season and lost 4 of them. Just felt so hopeless. Had one pretty good game where I went blue and got form around 8 mins but even then I felt like if we hadn’t ended as soon as we had I was getting out-scaled fast.

Rhaast was always my favourite form but it just seems like he’s a worse version of other junglers now.

I’ve pretty much completely switched over to my old second pick champ and now one trick pantheon. And I just hit plat 1 🥳

Have I just lost my touch with Kayn big time or did he get nerfed hard recently or just been powercrept.

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u/671DON671 — 20 hours ago

How do you take drake alone?

Almost every time I try taking drake, my bot lane just keeps standing and farming, even when i spam ping. Which 9/10 causes the enemy jungler and sometimes their bot lane to come to drake while im soloing it and just kill me and take drake. While my bot lane just stands bot and farm, it doesnt matter if I've just ganked them and gotten a kill, they still just stay bot most of the time.

Any way I can change this, because I've been considering just not taking drake unless my team starts it, since I'm always giving a free kill and drake to the enemy.

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u/Version_Rare — 1 day ago

Rushing serpents fang over hubris on blue kayn?

So I play a lot of aatrox jg and kayn and recently saw that naayil (top aatrox player) rushes serpents fang instead of hubris on aatrox jg when there’s enough value from the item. Is this worth doing on blue kayn (or any jg that builds hubris) too if the enemy team comp permits it? I see the reasoning for rushing serpents, but is it really worth losing out on so much potential ad by not building hubris?

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u/Pear08667 — 4 days ago

Had a thought about Kayn Mid, hear me out

Most midlaners are ranged, or assasin bursty right? Lux, hwei, mel, or like talon or kassadin, rarely. on ranged people, get blue form, you can roam SUPER well right? and then you can also lane vs them well, with W if you're poked out of lane, but also have super good all in potential, no? against the occasional zed talon kass, they wanna burst you, so if zed ults you... just ult him back? then run away if you need to yeah? does this work? i got the idea from watching a YT video by TC Zwag, he played Kayn mid vs a lux, it actually seemed viable, and after more thought, it might be good? what are yall's thoughts?

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u/Outrageous-Fuel-6201 — 5 days ago

All HP items are bad on Rhaast

I always find far more success with lethality rhaast than bruiser Rhaast. I have absolutely no clue why people still build HP on him though. Black Cleaver takes too long to stack and deals less dmg compared to Serylda. Shojin is the only other "good" HP item you can build but pales in comparison to alternatives with no hp. There's not a single HP item that is best in slot on the champion. Stop building HP items on him and you will find yourselves winning more games than usual. It will take some time to get used to the lethality red kayn playstyle but I promise you that it's worth it once you get the hang of it. It also allows you to 1 v 1 champions like yone which otherwise you'd never beat in a 1 v 1.

The veasher has a good Rhaast page. I sometimes go his build but I mostly go lethality. I believe Bastion Breaker is also an incredibly broken item on Rhaast. Axiom Arc is an Item that I do not recommend though. I'd suggest getting endless hunger in place of axiom arc 100% of the time. DD and Endless Hunger are the only good bruiser items and neither of them gives you HP. A good build would consist of full lethality with DD and Endless Hunger. You always wanna go either tabis or omnivamp boots. Never mercs and ionian boots !!!

I can't think of a single HP item besides Shojin that is actually good on Rhaast. I hope all of you start running a no HP Rhaast setup in your games so that Rhaast's WR can increase and make the balance team wonder what's happening (again). They will likely give his Q hp scalings too so that we can actually build items like sundered sky and steraks without giga trolling our games. For now all HP items are basically just bad on Rhaast and will not change in a long time!

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u/Immediate_Dog_2790 — 6 days ago
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The ULTIMATE Kayn Item Spreadsheet!

After refining my last spreadsheet, I can say with confidence that I feel very confident in this one.
I also genuinely believe that, after the Voltaic rework, Fleet is the best rune for Purple AND Blue (here's the explanation). But if you still prefer playing with DH/FS that is absolutely fine as well.

WHY THESE BUILDS?

- Red: Riven's build was the main inspiration, the only thing that is different is Voltaic over Axiom.
- Blue: The first one is less bursty but allows you to go for Axiom/Serpents AND Edge. The second one has an insane damage, especially late game.

WHAT ABOUT BOOTS?

You should always buy boots based on the enemy team comp. Prioritize Lucidity/Steelcaps, and if you don't need any of them then you can go for Gluttonous (Omnivamp) or Swifties. Mercs as a bait on Red as Hunger gives you Tenacity and you can always buy Maw 4th if you have to.

WHY YOU SHOULD NOT BE BUYING THESE ITEMS

Cleaver - It's difficult to fully stack on Rhaast and it takes too long to do so. Grudge/LDR are just much better.

Shojin - Not a bad item overall, but competes with better alternatives.

Steraks - It gives you mostly HP that you don't really care about as it's a Juggernaut item (Sett, Darius, Garen, Illaoi, Urgot), where Rhaast is a light fighter (Riven, Fiora, Ambessa). It's much better to prioritize Maw, but it can be good in some very niche scenarios (vs True Damage like Sett W, Garen R, Darius R etc.).

Visage - It's an item for tanks that rely on non-damage based healing (think Maokai Passive + Undending, Udyr Awaken W, Mundo P and R), where Rhaast has to deal damage in order to heal up. And with such aggressive AD scaling on your abilities (one of the best if not THE best ones in the game) you want to get as much AD as possible. That's why you buy Maw - it's basically a Magic Resist equivalent of Death's Dance. Also keep in mind that Maw gives you 10% Omnivamp on Shield proc FOR THE REST OF THE COMBAT (not 2 sec, not 5 sec, not 10, you can be fighting for 2 minutes and still benefit from that).

Eclipse - Kayn LOVES lethality so Voltaic is just much better.

Any other tank item - Never buy them in 99% of your games unless it's your last item and you're extremely ahead.

u/Veasher — 7 days ago

Go lethality rhaast

If I'm in a game where I don't have 2 or more teammates that would heavily benefit from black cleaver application (like if I have akshan mid and jinx adc), I go lethality rhaast over bruiser, here's why:

  1. you have better pick potential. Your time to kill is significantly reduced, meaning you can kill people before their team is able to show up and help.

  2. your tankiness is still comparable to bruiser. With green smite + defensive boots and the fact that more damage equals more healing, you're just as tanky as bruiser rhaast in many situations so long as you aren't instantly bursted.

  3. your ult actually deals damage. self explanatory here, but I just had a game where i was able to comfortably 1v1 a zaahen before he could get his stacks because my ult actually did meaningful damage rather than just being a healing tool.

  4. it just feels way better. Seriously, you can actually oneshot adc's whilst also being a huge threat to tankier targets, I recommend everyone gives this build a try.

the build I go for just now is Voltaic -> Axiom/Serpents -> Seryldas/Mortal Reminder -> Situational

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u/Undeadpixol — 6 days ago

Did I win this fight because the enemy team played poorly?

I mean of course i could have played it better but i don’t i’m that bad my friend tells me this is just regular gameplay and the enemy team is shit.

u/Dakhura — 6 days ago

Should I always go rhaast against a tank jg?

Went blue this game and struggled a lot with contesting objectives, counter ganking, or just any even fight with amumu there (other than a 5v5 fight)

My thought process was to go blue since the enemy was mostly squishies, and that in a late game fight we’d be fine since we had irelia frontline, but that clearly didn’t work. Should I always go rhaast into tanky junglers regardless of the rest of the enemy team comp?

u/Pear08667 — 7 days ago
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Karasmai here Back in Challenger!

I hit Challenger Primarily playing lethality Rhaast with ignite instead of flash majority of the time.

I will be making infographics going over a lot of new tech and builds that helped a LOT with this journey (such as conq blue Kayn or when ignite > flash). so stay tuned!

u/RealKarasmai — 9 days ago
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did anyone keep track of this kayn artist bloblo

this guy was one of my fav kayn artists back in the day but be appears to have nuked his twitter and all his art is gone, link: x /BLOBLO00305418

some of his art was posted here by regular poet: https://www.reddit.com/r/KaynMains/comments/153xy2l/rhaast_kayn_art_by_bloblo/

https://www.reddit.com/r/KaynMains/comments/161ksld/odyssey_voice_by_bloblo/

https://www.reddit.com/r/KaynMains/comments/14ickmj/odyssey_by_bloblo/

as you can see his links are all dead /BLOBLO00305418/status/1681357087367114752?t=_XJ7NiJk3uCFZnl_t4jF5g&s=19

so I was wondering if he swapped platforms? But he was Chinese I believe so it's not exactly easy to find him whether or not it does exist. If not, has anyone by chance downloaded all his art in some mega folder or is that too good to be true. Really hope he didn't just fall off the internet 'cause he made some great art I'd like to find again

turns out x links are banned here for whatever reason so just add the usual if you want to see for yourself

u/kaptchia — 9 days ago

Top lane or jg?

Hihi! I'm a Hwei main, got into the game a few months ago. I adore Kayn's character and gameplay, but I don't like the Jungle role, so I wanted to ask what is the general consensus on Kayn top? Is it viable?

He's one of the only AD champs I like too.

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u/SandwichWhich9725 — 7 days ago

How the hell do you play around Malzahar R? not only with this champion but with any assassin.

Genuinely insane how fucking braindead that thing is.

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u/Dale_Cooper47 — 8 days ago