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That scene in the trailer in which Doom flies out of the window and does some freaky shit in the air before landing. This snapshot of it reminds me of Loki time slipping and then it occurred to me he could also be dream walking like Strange and Wanda did. He's intentionally exacerbating the incursions and accelerating the destruction.

We know there's at least a couple Doom costumes that we've seen in the trailers/F4. Whether it's one Doom doing wardrobe changes or different Dooms is unclear.

Then there's a couple more scenes in the trailer that look different with this theory in mind.

Sue Storm: "...he used to be different." - He could be changed by the events ("everything he loved was taken from him") AND he could literally be changed by a variant Doom taking over him.

Reed Richards: "Victor, did you do this?" and he looks at him with a pensive blank stare...because maybe its not even Reed's Victor and this one is looking at just another poor little Reed that doesn't understand what is going on.

A version of him could be dream walking into specific moments in time (using time slipping logic) so imagine that scene in the trailer again. Doom is booted out of the window and as he's falling, another Doom takes over, lands, and takes it from there. He can re-do every single moment in which a variant of his is losing, and do it differently. Might not even be a single Doom but a whole...council, working in tandem.

Alright now talk amongst yourselves.

EDIT: This sub sucks man. Why do you call it "The place to drop your theories about the MCU" if you all just talk shit to the person dropping their theories about the MCU.

Theory EDIT: It's been discussed in the comments but I want to add it her because it seems so obvious to me now. Doom takes over Loki's throne (not sure what Loki's fate is but I'm sure it ain't good) and has a direct view of every single multiversal timeline which is how he can see exactly which moment and where to jump into and take over. Each variant he jumps into is a sort of Doombot in that he is operating them all remotely, in a way.

Despite the clamor for MCU Magneto to be rewritten as a different nationality, I think Marvel will simply make him Sokovian and wrap it up.

Age of Ultron already gave them the perfect modern Magneto origin: a country traumatized by war, the Avengers and Ultron, then literally destroyed.

If Magneto is really 30–35, he could have experienced all of that firsthand. And with Vision Quest revisiting Ultron’s legacy, maybe this is where Marvel explores the trauma left behind in Sokovia and plants the seeds for Magneto.

I am a huge Marvel and MCU fan and I am chronically online but I seem to be out of the loop on this one. We haven't seen Tobey Maguire since No Way Home and there has been no mention of his universe in any of the Doomsday trailers. So why would the X Men destroy Tobey's universe and how would they even do that? People are literally rooting for Doom now to kill the X Men since they supposedly do this in the movie. Where are people getting this from?

well not a spoiler now but just in case

In Infinity War, Thanos told Thor that he should have gone for his head, and because Thor missed that opportunity, Thanos’ plan ultimately succeeded. Fast forward to Endgame, Thor remembers what he was told and ends Thanos’ life by going straight for his head.

Now, when we look at the Doomsday trailer, Thor continuously says that the OG Avengers were stronger than the current roster and that the new heroes would die facing a lesser threat than Doom. We also know that, even though the new teams are incredibly strong, they aren’t the same as the OG Avengers.

In one part of the trailer, Thor confronts Doom on his own and ultimately loses. Maybe this happens early in the film, before the rest of the heroes have even had a chance to face him. This could be why Thor seems to already know that they’re going to lose. He’s the strongest Avenger, and if even he can’t stop Doom on his own, then he knows exactly how bad the situation is.

Thor probably isn’t just warning everyone because he thinks Doom is powerful. Maybe he has already fought Doom and experienced firsthand how completely outmatched he was. That’s why he seems so certain that the new heroes aren’t ready for him and that even all of them together could still lose.

It would also explain why Thor keeps comparing the current heroes to the OG Avengers. He knows what the original team was capable of; he fought alongside them, and he knows that if even the strongest Avenger can’t beat Doom, then this new roster is going to be in serious trouble.

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Spoilers ahead for Secret Wars (2015)

In the comics, Peter Quill is chewing a toothpick throughout the story. Leading up to the final battle, he crashes his jet into Dr. Doom's castle and uses the toothpick (which is Secretly Groot) to "revive" Groot into the Living Tree, causing him to become a skyscraping giant. In the MCU, Thor's Axe handle came from Groot. What if the axe handle is key to recreating this scene in Secret Wars 2027?

I still don't understand this. Please enlighten me on this confusion.

Marvel just showed these two in movies and shows and then forgot about them.

Could have been more awesome if they were in Doomsday and Secret Wars.

Brie Larson would have to walk a tight rope against MCU fanbase's negative perception and also fulfilling a significant arc in Marvel history that both leaves Danvers depowered and antagonizing some beloved "heroes-to-be".

Carol will not be beefing against a high schooler

Not entirely sure if this counts as a theory-- but I would imagine that Rogue shouldn't start out as a student (compared to the original FOX franchise) but as a villain in reference to her comic origins. In the comics, Rogue was also already mature when she takes down Captain America before being recruited by the X-Men. Inde Navarette is also older than Sadie and Kit. Rogue's maturity may be disorienting for people who would want to see Rogue as Scott and Jean's little sister, but she's romanced with Gambit and Magneto already ahead of the two lovebirds' marriage story toiled with Wolverine, Emma, and Pryor. Carol will not be beefing against a minor from high school.

Kamala Khan and James Rhody are involved

Carol Danvers would need a rationale to return to Earth again. This conversation would have to form elements that comes after the conclusion of Doomsday and Secret Wars. The simplest idea would be that somehow Danvers is convinced to retire. Including a romance with War Machine. Something tragic may happen to Kamala that would pull both Avengers veterans out of retirement. A personal touch I would put into this is that Kamala somehow knows that Carol is being targeted. Then she uses her light-based powers to "shapeshift" into Carol to draw Rogue out. I hope the MCU doesn't forget that her powers aren't two-dimensional. At Kamala's MCU conception, she should be using her powers like the Green Lantern instead of limiting them to her comic counterpart.

Rogue's change of heart

So, a bit why I'm writing this is that I grew watching Rogue as a fan. Carol comes as an afterthought in her development. We know Carol's powers are permanently embedded into her by now. But my exposure to Carol has mostly been that she's quite of a zealot already before Brie was cast. And my honest thoughts behind what I've seen Carol do in the MCU somehow aligns to the idea that Carol is still somewhat self-righteous. Brie as Carol Danvers, I hope finds a breakthrough in the next leg of MCU's Mutants-Marvels arc. As much that I haven't been a fan of MCU's direction for Captain Marvel, the comics really and still don't help her much either (like she was mean to Miles Morales, then when she shows up anywhere else, writers only reduce her to a muscle). I concern about how Carol being depowered could be swayed away from gratification by some of MCU's negative fanbase. And also, I'm still uncertain on how to make Rogue's change-of-heart become convincing enough. Rogue could feel bad depowering Carol but probably injuring Kamala would actually make her regret her past more convincingly. Like I actually don't think I'd feel that bad if I stole Superman's powers. But that's just me.

1. Dr Strange came to the F4 world to prevent an incursion
2. Dr Doom tried to travel to Hell to free his mother, but accidentally discovered multiverse travel instead
3. Dreamwalking
4. Hes actually a Doom variant from a dead universe
5. Loki needed his help
6. He studied the power cosmic
7. He wanted to save earth from Galactus and discovered another universe to evacuate to or sacrifice
8. He discovered time line anomalies
9. He tried to time travel and found other timelines
10. He witnessed the TVA
11. He killed a Kang variant
12. Steve Rogers
13. TVA tried to arrest him for messing with time
14. Mordo recruited him for the Illuminati
15. An ancient magic prophecy
16. He is the Anchor Being
17. A Watcher intervened
18. Doom saw an incursion himself in F4 world
19. Spiderman Identity spell shenanigans
20. Quantum Mumbo Jumbo
21. Hes been guided by the voice of lost loved one or something like that
22. Scarlet Witch got lost
23. Sylvia found him to free Loki from the throne
24. Doom tries to find a universe where his family is alive
25. MEPHSITO!!!
26. Doom knows all, no need to question
27. Your answer/other

28(Edit): Normal Science

(some of these are obviously more thought out than others, some of these are basically spaghetti thrown at the wall, but i wanna cover all my bases)

lemme know what your theories are

In the first trailer for Avengers: Doomsday, Doom warns that something is coming and that they must act quickly and take an unthinkable decision before it's too late, clearly setting up an incursion.

The real question is: an incursion between which Earths? We already know the X-Men are aware of incursions and are actively destroying other realities to save their own

We can deduce Doom warns Reed about an incursion between all 3 Earths (X-Men, 616 and F4), they reach 616 and warn their heroes about it, then they left for X-Men universe, these mutants are already traumatized by mass murdering and think these guys are here to destroy their earth so they start fighting before Doom's real plan get exposed

I don't think the movie is going beyond these three main universes, [possible leaked plot spoiler]>! though Tobey's universe is a possibility in the opening act if the leaks are true!<. Of course, if the trailer is only showing us the first act of the film, who knows how big it gets?

I think this is an extremely neat idea, but more than likely they won't go in this direction. I do find the distortion effect on Doom in that scene in the teaser to be odd though, it definitely means something.

I wish they had used a concept like this for The Kang Dynasty. Like all the Kang variants elect one supreme Kang to take control of them and use them in this way so that they're virtually unbeatable. It's generally such a sick concept I really fuck with it.

Title. The moment when doom is reorienting himself in the air looks extremely similar to when Dr.Strange uses the same magic. Real Doom is probably just controlling Tony's body.

just wanted to throw a name into the Goblet of Fire but I think it make sense for one of the Latverian Witches, particularly the orangey-brown one, to be Ravonna.

we know the Void might play some kind of substantial setting in Doomsday (thanks to the watchlist on D+) and the last time we see her, she’s about to be consumed by Alioth in the Void.

in order to set up the Void as a beautiful building block for Battleworld, Doom would need to eliminate the all-matter consuming threat of Alioth, so naturally he saves Renslayer by killing it (or somehow absorbing it idk) and in turn she devotes herself to him, becoming a Latverian “Witch”.

she’d be the most knowledgeable on the TVA and its technologies, as well as locating Loki at the End of Time but the weakest amongst the other two Witches

as it stands, my current theory on the Witches identities are:

• Purple: definitely Clea
• ”Boris”: definitely Dr. Strange
• Green: maybe Wanda (but she won’t reveal herself until Secret Wars only because I think Olsen hasn’t filmed anything for Doomsday, we probably won’t even hear her speak)
• and Brown: Ravonna (she’ll probably reveal her identity in defeat or by choice who knows)

anyway what do you guys think?

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We know that Doom is already controlling 3 witches and that other guy, possibly Wanda, Clea, Sylvie and Strange. RDJ's Doom might just be his general, who he's primarily using for his face and the effect of that on the Avengers. I think RDJ's Doom will somehow fall by the end of Doomsday and Cillian will have an Avengers 1 Thanos post-credits type scene at the end and he'll take over for Secret Wars and post-reboot. Paying RDJ a 100 mil does make sense cause his name alone will pull people in even if they aren't fond of Marvel post-Endgame and also he'd serve as the primary villain for the whole movie and might appear in some capacity in Secret Wars. Also, if it's only such a minor scene with Cillian in this movie, it would make sense for it not being leaked or smth. Also, in the second trailer, it looked like Doom was time-slipping/dream-walking while falling out the window, so, makes sense for another Doom to be controlling RDJ's Doom