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Theory: The Kangs we saw in the Quantumania Post-Credit Scene will be gradually overthrown by different-looking Kangs

Theory: The Kangs we saw in the Quantumania Post-Credit Scene will be gradually overthrown by different-looking Kangs

NOTE (after reading some comments): If you are convinced that the animation shows are not part of the wider MCU multiverse, ignore this post, as we clearly have a different understanding of what Marvel is doing (both retroactively and moving forward) across all its franchises.

In X-Men '97 Season 2, Episode 3, the ruling Pharaoh is a white Rama-Tut equipped with classic Kang technology. When he first appears, they even play a variation of the Loki theme, making the Kang connection pretty explicit.

What I found even more interesting, though, is that his statues appear to have just replaced those of another Pharaoh. If you look closely, the toppled statues seem to depict a black Pharaoh who vaguely resembles Jonathan Majors.

The easy explanation could be simply that Rama-Tut conquered a native Egyptian Pharaoh and replaced his monuments with his own.

But I wonder if Marvel is doing something more subtle.

Ever since Jonathan Majors was recast, Marvel has had a "Kang problem." What if this scene is quietly establishing that different-looking Kang variants are replacing the ones we saw in the Quantumania post-credits scene? In other words, the Rama-Tut ruling Egypt is not the same Rama-Tut we previously saw, but another variant who defeated him and claimed lordship of ancient Egypt.

This may be a consequence of the ending of Loki Season 2. Loki allowed countless new timelines to exist. That could mean entirely new versions of Kang are now emerging as the dominant variants, while the Council we briefly saw in Quantumania is no longer the inevitable outcome, and they may be defeated off-screen by different looking Kangs.

If that's the direction Marvel is taking, they wouldn't need to ignore Kang or explain a sudden recast. They could gradually introduce new Kang variants, each with a different appearance, especially in alternate realities like the animated universe (which is still part of the MCU Multiverse). I wouldn't be surprised if in some future animation shows, we are going to see a different looking Immortus and Scarlet Centurion ruling some timeline after defeating a Jonathan Major's looking variant.

It could be a soft way of solving the Kang issue in-universe rather than simply pretending the whole Kang phase never happened.

Then, way down the road, we'll have various Kangs popping up in live action shows and movies played by completely different actors.

This confirms even more my previous theory that they WON'T show Doom killing the Kangs (which I always thought would be a cheap solution)

u/TheGreatMason — 5 hours ago
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I’m Sincerely Convinced That Marvel Might’ve Accidentally Might’ve Confirmed the Appearance of Hulk and Wolverine in Doomsday With Their Upcoming Collaboration With The Rolling Stones

I’ve gone down a deep rabbit hole with this, and there are a lot of “source: trust me” type rumors with all sorts of actors or hero appearances, so bear with me as I present my theory with all of this:

  1. Basically anytime with MCU releases, if the diegetic story is the foundation for collaborations with comics, typically many more stakeholders would need to be aware of critical details and spoilers to know what to produce with the merchandise when the film releases. With this in mind, this explains the track record of merchandise and collaborations in the past, spoiling the content of Avengers films. Screen Rant has a great write-up on it. Two examples are Hasbro famously spoiling Vision’s appearance with the action figure weeks before the Age of Ultron and the Death of Groot being spoiled way in advance in Infinity War also with another toy. So to look at the collaborations they’ve been having I’ll tell you why this one sticks out. 
  2. From my research, there hasn’t been a Marvel vinyl cover or collaboration to this extent with music since way before the MCU with MF Doom’s Operation Doomsday, being released in 1999. And, even with that collaboration, the sources I could find aren't even sure if Marvel even licensed out the rights to him, since he’s an underground rapper. And that last true official one, was in 1993 with Entombed having Wolverine on the cover. But since the 90s, Marvel hasn’t licensed album art collabs with any bands or musicians beyond songs within their film. For this Rolling Stones album, Foreign Tongues, to be the first in not just the MCU era, but also the 21st century means that there is probably something more that we aren’t seeing if we read closer. No Rolling Stones songs have been announced to be within the films yet either, but this collaboration has to tell us something because a collaboration of this caliber is so unusual. And with this being a collectible item in mind, there has to be something that brings value it as well.
  3. And that brings me to my last point, you would think that with the discrete nature of its connection (something that will likely be revealed later… at minimum a song within an upcoming film) there is something behind the heroes they chose, which is also an odd assortment. If Mark Ruffalo/Hulk is not appearing in any future films, then why would he be released in collaborations/promotional material? Same with Wolverine and Hugh Jackman? With Doomsday coming around the corner, I believe this collaboration is the first concrete evidence of an appearance with both Heroes somewhat having plans in the works.

Let me know what you guys think!

u/Gayc0b — 9 hours ago

Kind of thinking far into the future, do you guys think the MCU may adapt the Attack on Genosha?

u/Kanozx — 2 hours ago

Anyone else wish Marvel kept the RDJ Doctor Doom thing a secret?

Am I the only one who thinks Marvel completely blew what could’ve been the biggest theater reaction since the portals scene in Endgame?

Don't get me wrong, I'm hyped to see Robert Downey Jr. back in the MCU. But man, imagine sitting in the theater completely blind, watching the Avengers fight Doctor Doom, and then the mask finally comes off to reveal Tony Stark’s face. The absolute chaos in the cinema would have been legendary.Instead, they announced it at SDCC a while back, probably just to secure box office faith after a rough patch. So now, instead of enjoying a massive twist, we’re all just sitting here doing mental gymnastics trying to figure out how they’ll explain it.

Are they going with the rumor that he's a Victor Von Doom variant who just happens to look like Tony? Or is Doom actively manipulating an alternate Stark into thinking the 616 Avengers destroyed the multiverse?The Russo brothers said this is going to be one of the more mature MCU movies, so my expectations are still high. But I really hope RDJ’s star power doesn’t overshadow the character of Doom itself.What’s your take? Is this going to be a masterpiece, or is it just a massive multi-million dollar nostalgia trap? Let's discuss. 🍿

u/vimdhayak69g — 12 hours ago

Seems like Venom might be one of the things they’re trying to keep under wraps about Brand New Day

After going back and watching some post credit scenes and re-watching No Way Home, I kind of feel like Venom might be one of the big secrets they’re keeping about Brand New Day. Thoughts? I know for the longest it kind of seemed like Marvel was not interested in bringing Venom into the MCU, but they’ve set it up really well.

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u/TheDustyFields — 9 hours ago

Valeria von Doom

What if Sadie Sink is actually Valeria von Doom? She’s born on Battleworld and, after Doctor Strange’s death in Secret Wars—which becomes the turning point that inspires people to finally stand up against Doom—she travels back in time to find Strange before he dies. The events of No Way Home allow her to enter the MCU timeline, but she’s captured before she can find him . The events of brand new day happen and at the end she finds a way back to multiverse travel . Then Valeria, Spider-Man, and Hulk begin multiverse-hopping to recruit a team—including Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man, Deadpool, Wolverine, the Young Avengers, and other heroes—to take on her evil father Doctor Doom. I also think it would be awesome if it was Spider-Man’s idea to recreate the iconic Endgame portal scene, bringing every hero they recruited together for one final battle against Doom. What do y’all think?

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u/Impossible_Friend958 — 9 hours ago
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Hulk didn’t go silent in Infinity War because he was scared. He went on strike against Banner.

Been thinking about this for a while. Every other time Banner was in danger Hulk showed up immediately. But in Infinity War complete silence. I don’t think it was fear, I think Hulk was done being treated like a weapon. Made a short breaking it down, curious what the community thinks.

https://youtube.com/shorts/RToJS9WnJkQ?si=sbwTMd6JuQIix0Mo

u/WizardSPRAYS — 12 hours ago

What if we've been watching the wrong timeline since Endgame?

What if Endgame Didn't Break Its Own Timeline Rules? What if It Secretly Set Up Doctor Doom Years Ago?

Before I begin, I want to make one thing clear.

This is not a claim. It's simply an alternative MCU theory based on the timeline rules that Marvel has already established.

Also, I didn't come up with this theory because Robert Downey Jr. is playing Doctor Doom.

Actually, it happened the other way around.

I first noticed what I believed could be a timeline inconsistency in Avengers: Endgame. Then I started asking myself a different question:

What if it isn't a plot hole at all?

What if Marvel has been setting something much bigger up all along?

The timeline question that started everything

In Endgame, when Hulk meets the Ancient One, she explains that removing an Infinity Stone from its timeline creates a branched reality.

Hulk reassures her by saying the Avengers will return every Stone to the exact moment it was taken.

So far, everything makes sense.

But something else caught my attention.

The Avengers don't just borrow the Infinity Stones from the past.

They bring those Stones into their own present and use them there.

The consequences are enormous.

  • Half of all life in the universe returns.
  • Thanos and his entire army are erased.
  • The future of the universe changes forever.

That made me ask a question.

If major changes in the past create branched timelines, why wouldn't bringing six Infinity Stones from another point in time and using them in the present create one as well?

That single question is where this theory began.

The obvious objection

The first response most people will probably have is this:

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At first, that sounds reasonable.

But then I started thinking about Loki.

The series doesn't just explore the past.

It also shows us the far future—even the end of time itself.

That means the MCU doesn't treat time as a single permanent "present."

What we call "the present" today eventually becomes the past from another point in time.

So my question is this:

If time is one continuous timeline, why would only changes in the past create branches?

Today's present is tomorrow's past.

From that perspective, bringing six Infinity Stones from another point in history into 2023 and using them to reshape the future should also qualify as a major timeline event.

That is the foundation of this theory.

I think there are only two possibilities

Possibility 1

Marvel accidentally created a timeline inconsistency.

It's simply a plot hole.

Possibility 2

A new timeline really was created.

And ever since Endgame, we've actually been following that branched timeline instead of the original one.

If that's true...

Then what many people consider a plot hole could actually be the beginning of a much larger story.

What happened in the original timeline?

If a new branch was created, then two different realities now exist.

One is the timeline we've been watching since Endgame.

The other is the original timeline.

Here's where my theory begins.

What if Tony Stark never died in the original timeline?

At the same time, Doctor Strange may never have returned after the Snap.

Without Strange, Earth would lose its greatest protector against mystical threats.

That creates a huge vacuum.

Why Tony?

Tony Stark has never been an ordinary hero.

Throughout the MCU, his defining characteristic has always been the same:

He wants to protect the world.

Every new threat pushes him toward building something bigger.

Something stronger.

Something safer.

We already saw this mindset in Age of Ultron.

He constantly prepares for threats that haven't even happened yet.

So what if, in the original timeline, Tony eventually encountered Kamar-Taj?

There are two possibilities.

Either Tony seeks them out after realizing mystical threats exist...

Or Kamar-Taj approaches Tony because Strange is gone and they need someone with extraordinary intelligence.

Tony learns the Mystic Arts.

But Tony being Tony...

He wouldn't stop there.

He would combine science with magic.

Technology with mysticism.

He would create something entirely new.

Something more powerful than either alone.

And that's exactly where his greatest strength becomes his greatest weakness.

His desire to protect everyone slowly becomes an obsession.

More power.

More control.

More security.

Eventually, Tony stops asking whether he should.

He only asks whether he can.

At that point...

Tony Stark no longer becomes Tony Stark.

He becomes Doctor Doom.

Not a Tony Stark Variant.

Not another version from another universe.

But the original Tony Stark...

Changed over time.

Why Robert Downey Jr.?

Marvel is one of the biggest movie studios in the world.

I personally don't believe they cast Robert Downey Jr. again purely for nostalgia.

Of course, I could be completely wrong.

But if this theory is true...

Then using the same actor suddenly makes perfect sense.

Because we wouldn't be looking at a Variant.

We'd be looking at Tony Stark himself after years of transformation.

Final thoughts

I'm not trying to predict the plot of Avengers: Doomsday.

This is simply my attempt to explain what I see as a timeline question in Endgame using the MCU's own rules.

Maybe I'm completely wrong.

Maybe Doomsday will go in a completely different direction.

That wouldn't necessarily make the reasoning behind this theory invalid.

It would simply mean Marvel chose another story to tell.

But if this theory turns out to be true...

Then what many of us believed was a timeline inconsistency in Endgame may actually have been Marvel's biggest setup all along.

What do you think?

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u/Fearless_Cream475 — 9 hours ago

Olivia Munn as Psylocke was one of the best casting, who should be the next Psylocke in mcu??

u/sam_the_nerd — 1 day ago

Doomaday death predictions

Imo these are the characters that we could see die in avengers doomsday, thought?

Thor
Antman
Bucky
Wong
America Chavez
Mystique
Professor X
Magneto
Cyclops
B-15
Oroborous
Alioth
The council of Kangs

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u/Fadedstormz — 15 hours ago

Is it possible to get this scene in Avengers Secret Wars?

I mean just imagine the original villain from the first saga meeting the new (Tony Stark look alike) powerhouse of the new saga and suddenly his spine his quickly ripped by him...

Plus recreating a scene from the comics and making it look more epic!

u/New_Advisor_6766 — 21 hours ago

When do you think we'll get the MCU X-Men movie and the Midnight Sons movie? What are your predictions for their release dates?

u/Past_Carpenter_7046 — 18 hours ago

Deadpool in Doomsday/Secret Wars

I have a feeling that deadpool most likely will die. He might sacrifice himself for Thor. He might forget what he saw in deadpool and wolverine. Cus it showed a scene of Thor crying over deadpool. Meaning deadpool must've done something that respected Thor a lot. So I have a feeling he will probs die in secret wars or doomsday. I am more leaning more on secret wars being the answer. But ye Thor might be insanely pissed when deadpool dies. Deadpool prob sacrifices himself for 1 of his favorite avengers

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u/NegativeTell7559 — 18 hours ago

Brand New Day - just playing devil's advocate

Alright so we all pretty much expect Sadie to play jean grey but let me drop this idea real quick.

So in almost every scene we see her in, she's covered almost head to toe. What if she's actually playing Rogue. She discovers her powers early on and learns that touching normal people renders them unconscious, maybe she killed someone holding them for too long or touching them for too long which is why she's so covered up. Maybe she finds a telepath who hasn't discovered their powers yet but she touches them and absorbs their powers and is able to manipulate people like Jean does.

Now let's talk about frank and peter. Neither are trying to hurt her, Frank is trying to protect her(maybe she reminds him of his daughter), Peter is just trying to stop her from hurting his neighborhood. Eventually the 2 realize this and work together to try and stop her.

Let's talk banner now, rogues powers will render a human unconscious. What if she touches banner rendering him unconscious and hulk comes forward as he almost always has to protect banner. But this isn't smart hulk anymore because banner is unconscious so it's savage hulk that comes out instead. Maybe he looks grey because of the unconscious banner.

It's probably still jean but I like the idea it could be rogue

u/Witty-News-8781 — 1 day ago

So what's Monica Rambeau up to and why haven't we seen her in any promo material for Doomsday?

Maybe I missed something, but isnt Monica trapped in the X-men universe with Beast and the other X-men. If this is the case and we've seen beast then where's Monica and how come she isnt confirmed for Doomsday if she's supposed to be there?

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u/Naive-Equal-9959 — 21 hours ago

How do you think Marvel should handle the Inhumans after the soft reboot?

With Marvel seemingly moving toward a soft reboot after the Multiverse Saga and the X-Men expected to play a major role going forward, I've been wondering what happens to the Inhumans.

I've always loved how Marvel has so many different civilizations and races. It makes the universe feel much larger, more diverse, and more alive. The Inhumans have so much potential, yet outside of Inhumans (which didn't exactly leave a great impression) and that infamous appearance in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, they've never been explored in the media. Ms. Marvel in the comics is also an Inhuman, but that was also changed to introduce the mutants.

If Marvel decides to revisit them, what direction would you want them to take?

Personally, I'd love a story that leans into the politics of Attilan and the Inhuman royal family, something similar to Dune or even Black Panther. I think that side of the Inhumans is far more interesting than simply introducing them as another group of superpowered people.

It could also be a good opportunity to introduce or reintroduce the Illuminati in the main MCU, especially if Black Bolt is properly established this time.

Just don't want that they make them look like a generic copy of the X-Men 🙏🏻🙏🏻.

u/grey_eyes1566 — 1 day ago