Saw this lands deck, is this competitive at all?

https://mtgdecks.net/Legacy/%E3%82%B9%E3%82%A5%E3%83%AB%E3%82%BF%E3%82%A4%E5%A4%89%E5%AE%B9%E3%81%99%E3%82%8B%E6%A3%AE%E6%9E%97%E3%82%B3%E3%83%B3%E3%83%88%E3%83%AD%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB-decklist-by-%E3%83%9F%E3%83%AF-%E3%83%AA%E3%83%A7%E3%82%A6-3002486

I feel like I don’t want to play in the Car format, but I’m also not confident they will actually ban it in the next round. I also want to practice for EW, but practicing against Car won’t be useful if they do ban it, and if they don’t ban it, I probably won’t travel to EW. I’m just feeling so stuck. I keep opening up Moxfield, putting together a deck that could be good against Car but also good practice for a similar post-Car deck, and then giving up.

Is anyone else feeling similarly?

Hey all, I just wanted to know what do you believe is the primary playstyle that legacy has been for the last 2 years? Specifically within MTGO and large events?

I know a lot of people mention that they’re tired of always playing against tempo but, for me it feels like it’s been more of a combo format (with a few exceptions). I know there was a bit of time where legacy was centered around dimir tempo, I’m also a believer that part of the reason for that is the decks access to cards such as FOW, TS, Consign, and bowmaster. Which are all usually generally great into combo matches with the potential exception of bowmasters being dependent on what style combo deck they are.

What are your thoughts on what legacy has been/what do you often play against?

Edit: the reason I brought up dimir tempo and not the current top tempo deck (izzet) is when dimir was on top it was also winning/putting great results widely across the board. I don’t believe izzet is doing as well while being at the top currently.

Just a letter of appreciation to the ban team for their stalwart stewardship of this format.

Thank you for banning a card nearly as old as the format itself so that we could keep Nexus in the format.  I too find it refreshing that metagame and gameplay reasons can be brushed aside in favor of Rule 0 esque justifications like “we think its cool.”  It’s good to know that the people running this game don’t let nerd shit like data or deep analysis get in the way of fun.  Know that your wildly vacillating dedication to doing whatever you want with mysterious data keeps this format fresh and exciting. 

Additionally, I’d like to thank WotC for not banning car.  Similarly, I too think it is cool to die out of nowhere at any given moment.  I’ve always wanted to know what that guy deer who cut me off at the local piggly wiggly saw seconds before he it was run over by an unidentified motorist.  I’ve also always wondered what it was like to live under the threat of constant imminent death despite being in typically safe places, like a crosswalk for instance.  I am now deeply familiar with both feelings as I’m consistently being run over by 4 superheroes out of many of the format’s top decks.  God bless universes beyond.

So hats off to you BnR team, now get back to doing lines with the design folks who designed this card.  I am excited that WotC has finally combined my two greatest hobbies, magic and vehicular manslaughter enthusiastic enforcement of local jaywalking ordinances.  You deliver unto us the same chaotic energy as a crackhead running unchecked through a small town.  I wouldn’t have it any other way.

im new to legacy and was curious if there is one and if anyone has a link to it if it does exist

Basically title, wanted to use mtgo all access to do some testing, can't find lists for either Ur ub tempo and doomsday

Quote from the BnR stream. I guess that sums up the vision. Anyone hoping for Legacy to be the nostalgic, eternal format will need to wait for the Wotc staff rotation

Planar Nexus and The One Ring are cards that single handedly make big mana strategies viable. They have long struggled in Legacy without vintage cards like Mishra’s Workshop and moxen to cast the big spells fast enough. Card advantage was another huge vacuum. I play big mana stuff so I understand what these decks needed.

In magic’s infancy when Candles was released there were very few lands that produced more than 1 mana. I believe some of the only examples were Workshop as I mentioned and then City of Shadows. I can think of no other until Tempest with Ancient Tomb etc

Magic is 30 years old and in that time there have been way more lands printed. Some like Scorched Ruins that add more than just 1 mana. As we get more and more net positive lands to abuse with candles, the rate on candles for just 1 mana is more easily abused

The banning of a card like this is inevitable.

I understand this card is worth a lot of money. If the card wasn’t so expensive would people be as angry? I also know it is a very old card.

But it has a similar situation to Entomb I think as the game aged an creatures got better a 1 mana effect like that is just too good. I play reanimator but I’m happy that if the game will continue to evolve then Entomb should no longer be in the format.

Other than Force or Daze I guess. How do you stop a T1 car? Mox Monkey? Energy Flux? Terminus? Scoop? I got nothing.

There has always been controversy regarding the idea of a community managed panel to control BnR. Unfortunately, WoTC continues to prove BnR after BnR for literal years now that they have no idea how to properly manage legacy, nor care to do so.

There is an alarming rate of FIRE commander cards that enter into the card pool and promote snowbally or uninteractive gameplay in a format that’s historically been enjoyed because of the high level of interaction it brings. Things have been and will continue to get worse. The problem has compounded itself for several sets now, where even if we get the popular desired ban (nexus, ring, Tamiyo, etc), the next snowball threat that was “watched“ will establish its dominance again, before another commander or UB card designed for standard or commander takes over again. Rinse and repeat since 2019 and the FIRE mantra.

While player driven panels have their holes, I can’t imagine anyone who cares about the format doing a worse job than WoTC is doing and continues to do so. Pauper looks like it has overall improved since they had a panel.

how do we, the community, effectively communicate to WoTC to create a format panel like pauper?

(Please don't make this a premodern thread. It’s a completely different format. Most people play legacy because it has force of will and brainstorm in it.)

The floor of it is often that it just trades 1 for 1 with a removal spell that costs the same. The ceiling is that it wins the game and the usual behavior is it just generates incredible value with no real investment. It's most used in shells that are already strong, in a color that is already the strongest, and combos with Brain storm a card that most blue decks were going to run 4 copies of anyway. It just rewards already dominate modes of playing for doing things they were going to do anyway.

It just seems a no brainer that it should have been banned a long time ago.

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The only real reasons I can think of is that we have 4-5 Fantasticar shells right now, while Survival of the Fittest likely would be a single archetype.

I do not believe Survival has been problematic since at least Abrupt Decay, and certainly not in the post-Frog era of Legacy.

Today's start of Fantastic Summer has me more demotivated than ever to play this format.

Hey all!

The Fantasticar has been quite the menace over the past few days as legacy players have found multiple shells (Doomsday, Phoenix, TES, Beseech, etc.) to house it in. I had been ever so slightly sceptical before it released but I'm definitely in the camp where I think it's really strong and possibly too strong now. However, I was looking at some denominating factors in these lists and I noticed that there were indeed quite a few cards in common. Namely I saw the largest portion of these lists play some combination of: [[Lotus petal]], [[Dark ritual]], [[Mishra's bauble]], [[Brainstorm]], [[Ponder]] and sometimes LED as main enablers, usually with 4 [[daze]] and 4 [[force of will]] to back it up with, offering a strong back-up plan to their plan A's.

However, a shell I haven't seen it in yet is... Reanimator. And the reason I landed on this bit was because I was considering the following: what other lists play a lot of these cards? And quite frankly some of those cards feature in old Dimir Reanimator lists and some of them in the turbo Reanimator shells. Which lead me to wonder if the Fantasticar would really be that hard to slot in successfully into such a shell. Now I know Reanimator lists are pretty tight, but I bet you that a better deckbuilder than me (I kept having too many cards in my mainboard because I want to fit in all the draw + some flow states) could make a half-decent list for this idea, where you have a strong plan A but also an insane plan B that is not reliant on the graveyard at all.

Any thoughts on this idea or as to why it would/wouldn't work? Any input and discussion much appreciated!

What’s the reason stryfo thief with dack is no longer viable ? Is it even worth making and practicing in a competitive setting ?

Timestamps:

0:00 - Introduction

1:16 - Game One

8:51 - Sideboarding

10:29 - Game Two 1

5:01 - Game Three

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Dimir Tempo: https://moxfield.com/decks/-XVQX5DjG0aYmvtYRMdrLg

The EPIC Storm: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7762636