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The Case for an Event between League and Challenge

There are few Challenges per week especially for Europeans and many players don't have that much uninterrupted time. On the other hand Leagues have flexible scheduling but getting a trophy has more variance because you can't 4-1 into a top cut and there are more varied levels of competitive decks and players, and thus it's difficult to tell if the decks on mtgtop8 are all really well built or just had a good run. People chasing the leader board top position being favored for playing fast combo decks or dropping at 3-1 also feels bad.

I think it would be really cool to have a middle ground, let's call it Challeague, better terms welcome.

You would play up to 5 matches until 4 wins and if you achieve that, you go into a pseudo top 4, getting paired into other T4 and then "finals" players and if you win those two you get a Chealleague-Trophy, again better term welcome. You could then play a maximum of 20 Challeagues each month and have a leader board and make a tournament for the top 32 Challeaguers.

Anyways, I just had this idea in the middle of a bike ride and wanted to ask the community if this would be a good idea, if yes we could refine it and maybe ask wizards if they want to implement it.

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u/kirdie — 7 hours ago

Cat Fighting Eldritch Horrors In Legacy! | Sneak & Show vs Mardu Energy | MTG Paper Gameplay

Been changing up the content on my channel and will be showcasing some Legacy gameplay - please let me know if this is not allowed!

Next week's Legacy will feature some Doomsday and Flowstate gaming!

Decklists:

Mardu Energy Decklist: https://moxfield.com/decks/WquoliU850eoa4GwLl3vww

Sneak & Show Decklist: https://moxfield.com/decks/MqWmg6bwe0GGvJK9Ogbi8w

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u/kingyugi2000 — 1 day ago

Legacy: May 2026 Banlist Review

Greetings, Legacy community! This week, we got another banlist update, and, considering the last times we got updates, I didn't expect much besides another "No Changes". I didn't even stay online refreshing the page to see if Wizards of the Coast would do something.

I was dealing with the frustration of my actual life when I got a message on my phone. "Is this real?" it read, and below there was a screenshot of the new banlist update.

Legacy - Undercity Informer

 is banned.

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u/cardsrealm — 2 days ago
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Eternal Witnesses Ep. 19 | A Shocking BnR Update

With the recent BNR update, we released a bit early this week. We took some time to talk about a local 1k we played in before diving into the BnR and its effect on legacy and modern. If you'd like to skip to the BNR talk we included timestamps. As always, any and all listens/comments/shares are very much appreciated.

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u/Successful_Sir_1561 — 2 days ago

BCDL Legacy Open 5 Weekend 8/22 and 8/23 in Columbus, Ohio

The BCDL Legacy Open 5 weekend is happening August 22^(nd) and 23^(rd) at the Warp Gate in Columbus, Ohio. Event sign up goes live Wednesday 5/20 at 8 pm EST at the links below. Full details can be found on the pages below or reach out to Rob on Twitter at bcdlegacy. All events proxy and gold border friendly!

 

Legacy Open 5 Weekend Event Pages

8/22 Main Event https://topdeck.gg/event/buffalo-chicken-dip-legacy-open-5

8/23 Legacy https://topdeck.gg/event/bcdl-legacy-open-5-sunday-legacy

8/23 Premodern https://topdeck.gg/event/bcdl-legacy-open-5-sunday-premodern

 

u/rw753503 — 3 days ago

Brainstorm Ponder Sickness

Today I played a Legacy Tournament with friends. Sadly I couldn't win even a single game. I played UB Deaths Shadow und UR Steel Cutter, both utilizing the common blue shell, with FoW, Daze, Ponder, Brainstorm and Murktide Regent. Both decks play few creatures and try to protect them with countermagic. Throughout the day it felt like I was always missing either the countermagic or the threat.

Long story short I am not sure whether its bad luck, or my lack of skill, or whether this blue shell is just not for me.

I really hated drawing Ponder and Brainstorm today and asked myself whether you have experience with a lower cantrip count in this blue shell and compensate them with more threats. Maybe you have a good read regarding ponder and brainstorm.

Edit: Thank you for the feedback and for the encouraging words. I have way to go and will read the articles and start listening to english MTG Podcasts.

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u/Daruniar — 5 days ago

Cards that are good against Tamiyo

Cards (not strategies, as that's another discussion) that are/seem good against Tamiyo, off the top of my head. What am I missing?

Red blasts, Erode, Hullbreacher, Bowmasters, Clarion Conqueror, Flute, Decay, Assassin's Trophy, Chalice, Deed, Explosives, Pest Control, Needle, Sheoldred's Edict, Borrower and other bounce, maybe stuff like Fury and Prismatic Ending

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u/BayouAMoxDiamond — 5 days ago

EDH Player needing Legacy budget help

I jumped in when Baldurs Gate was released as an EDH player. My pod is very much kitchen table. I would like to build a Legacy deck. I try to stick with budget based decks. my style really is just a fun (but punishing) game mechanic.

As a comparison I’m currently running an EDH [[Fynn, the Fangbearer]] poison deck and a [[Reaper King]] Changeling removal deck.

My mono red decks in EDH are [[Magda, Brazen Outlaw]] and [[Morgis, God of Slaughter]].

Any recommendations for Legacy budget builds that are fun for the kitchen table mood are appreciated.

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u/WorldIsFracked — 5 days ago

The Construction of Mono Black Pox in Legacy and Theory Crafting - Competitive

When it comes to decks in Legacy, it seems like the Mono Black Pox variant of Pox has the most amount of trouble finding its own identity in Legacy, we see this among the decklists people play which are often shown on websites like MTGTop8 and MTGGoldfish. I have found that many lists have too many differences, this is a sign the deck is unsure what it wants. There are usually a lot of deck building issues among these lists, but I think that often comes down to how people want Pox to look like vs what is practical for competitive play. I don't think Pox as a competitive deck is locked behind a paywall of Mox Diamonds, is the BG Loam Pox deck functionally superior? Yes, I am willing to credit the deck for that, but is it the only way to compete with Pox? I think absolutely not. When it comes to competitive play my bar for tournament viability is if the deck can remain mostly stable in the Legacy environment at a MTGO League level at the minimum, I say from my point of view and select others who have given the deck on there a chance that deck is competitive in some meaningful capacity. Is it a deck I would sell off to people as a credible play for Eternal Weekend? No, but I would think not every Legacy player needs to play at the absolute highest level of competition within their environment. It's not impossible, I have shown Mono Black Pox top a couple major Legacy events that were less than Eternal Weekend with a few hundreds of players. It's possible, its just very unlikely.

Mono Black Pox is often ignored when it comes to optimization, this is because the deck is not the best way to play Pox, but there is definitely ways to play Mono Black Pox competitively minded vs a solely for fun mindset. Let's assume the player is locked out of Mox Diamonds, what is the best thing they can do which is still within the realm of Pox? For most serious players pricing of cards is a non-issue, they will find ways to attain Mox Diamonds through any means necessary, but not everyone has the same amount of luck and are locked into budget decks and Mono Black Pox is a very low cost and affordable in comparison to its green partner. One of different features of Mono Black Pox is Dark Ritual over Mox Diamond as a Mana accelerant, to capitalize off this. Mono Black Pox will run more 3 mana cards than BG Loam to increase the odds of a payoff and unlike BG, this opens the door to 4 mana cards as well, but aren't always ran because most payoffs for 4 aren't that great. From a competitive point of view, the biggest fear is casting Ritual into a pay off and having it immediately countered, this can sometimes be you -2 for their -1. When most decks using Rituals often feed into a combo win if it resolves, the payoff is not guaranteed to win you the game, but from my experience Mono Black Pox without rituals is just worse, its the one card outside of discard that helps your fair deck keep some amount of pace for select combos.

I would like to address what I think is wrong with the average Mono Black Pox list, a good chunk of the players feels the need of slotting in historical fun of cards that seem like they could be good in paper, but end up being sub-optimal in actual practice. What are wrong with these fun ofs? These cards thrived in a timeline where Legacy wasn't all about Mana efficiency, it is hard to cast these cards in the ideal situation because often the opponent just deploys a creature like Tamiyo that often invalidates any impact that these cards attempt to induce and these cards include, but aren't limited to Hymn to Tourach, Sinkhole, etc. What is wrong with these cards? They are generally only impactful in a winning position or a neutral board state as they don't interact with the problem at hand which is Tamiyo which is a one mana card advantage engine neutralizing the impact of your 2 drops by building clues. When you oversaturate your decklist with these cards that are only impactful in specific situation (I seen deck lists with 4 ofs for both), you flood out in dead draws the moment an opponent gets a card advantage producing card into play since they don't win you the game and they don't address the permanent in play. A lot of fun ofs are either one for ones or unimpressive two for ones in a format full of two for one Flowstates.

What can Pox do to maintain tournament playable status? I think one of many ways is to also know how other decks work, if Pox is running too many unique cards that other decks are not, there is a likelihood that there is something wrong within the construction of the deck and the player doesn't realize it since they aren't playing the deck enough. If black decks sometimes get identified with something like Barrowgoyf, there is a good chance Pox should be on it also given that BG Loam Pox plays the card despite the nonbo with Smallpox. The card is not only around the busted power level of Legacy, it is also a Ritual payoff that Pox fuels the stats of the deck well. When looking at other deck lists, I also see various issues among the lists, they could be lists skimping out on lands because the player wants more spells, but that can be a disaster long term, Pox self taxes its own mana base and all those fancy spells mean nothing when there isn't the right mathematical amount of land drops to suffice so between the self-mana taxing properties of Pox and lack of one mana cantrips, Pox should be running more land then your average Legacy deck. The lack of one mana removal can be bad too when the best decks involve one mana creatures, Daze, and Wasteland. Mana sinks are also a vital part of Pox in my opinion to ensure you have something productive every turn when casting spells isn't available, Urza's Saga, Ripples of Undeath, Castle Locthwain, etc.

* Here is an example in what I perceive as a well-rounded deck list: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7785256#paper *

*The deck has been tested and has achieved good results more so than bad. 26 Lands may seem like a lot to those not experienced in Legacy, but the BG Loam Pox deck already normalizes 25-26 lands, the deck has 4 Smallpox and 3 Saga that taxes its own mana. If you flood out mana, I ensured the deck had mana sinks to adapt to mid to late game mana floods. 4 Eumidian Hatchery, Hogaak, and Currency Converter help ensure the deck can cast Smallpox at a profitable gain. The one of Ghost Quarter provides more Hatchery consistency. The 4 one drop removal ensures you have timely removal and can play vs Daze. There are win condition essentials like Bowmasters, Barrowgoyf, and Urza's Saga. The Saga line covers a lot of scenarios when tutoring on demand. There are 4 main deck flipped Tamiyo outs and the Planeswalkers to help control games with by actively disrupting every turn. The sideboard was constructed with blind meta in mind, I went with cards that address tempo, go wide board states, big mana, combo, graveyard interactions, etc. When unsure about Pox, I hope you consider my lists, I would say with confidence I am one of the more active Mono Black Pox players and do whatever I can to keep them up to date. The list is customizable if you think there are a lot of pure combo decks, you can cut something like a one drop removal for Inquisition of Kozilek to have a near 50% rate of opening turn one discard.

*The status of Karn Pox, I am currently more positive than negative with this composition also, but it does have more weaknesses like it doesn't offer much if the deck is being rushed early and the Plan B Karn Pivot can be hard to utilize if you don't have Legacy experience. I decided to showcase the Barrowgoyf Pox list that will likely yield better results for the average Legacy player. The Karn Pox deck also struggles knowing what it wants in the sideboard due to select Karn targets limiting it. I am by no means the only way to go about Mono Black Pox, but at least these lists were tested in hundreds to thousands of matches to improve them.

*The status of Slasher Pox variants, I have done some amount of testing with the card in events and was left mostly unimpressive. The creature looks mid at most in actual practice, Smallpoxing it means you wait two turns to attack again, but sometimes two turns is all the opponent needs. Its a cool card when there are pure combo decks being played, the damage output is severe and it trades favorably vs Barrowgoyf and beats Pox mirros, but the few things it thrives at Barrowgoyf either almost does just as good or exceedingly better. I wanted them to work, but the synergy with Slasher is mid at most when other decks with synergy equate to something busted.

u/BlogBoy92 — 5 days ago

Looking for Maverick resources and help

Hello gamers, I recently have picked up cards to play maverick as my frist legacy deck (probably a hard choice but hey I like picking one deck and playing it) I need resources and recommendations I have a decklist that I will post i based it off of some of the decks of mtg top 8. Any help will be appreciated as I start learning the format.

https://moxfield.com/decks/j5jd5ql4zUiwVCIvrCZm9Q

u/DivineWrath7590 — 4 days ago

(Video) These banned cards are UNPLAYABLE in Timeless (Ragebait for Legacy Boomers)

Timeless is an MTG Arena exclusive eternal format, adjacent or similar to Legacy in some ways. In the spirit of discussing potential unbans, the video goes over cards that have been banned in Legacy and are legal in Timeless but range from unplayable to fringe.

Personally, I've played with Oko in Timeless a lot and it just doesn't stand up well against creature decks like Energy. I've wondered if it was banned for the sins of Arcum's. It seems a lot worse without a cheap artifact to elk that you'd play in your deck anyways.

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u/Working-Blueberry-18 — 5 days ago

How do you usually play Legacy?

Just curious to hear people’s thoughts.
Do you usually play in paper, in MTGO leagues, or both?

And if not paper, why?

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u/Culius_Jaesar — 7 days ago

5-0 trophy with my combo deck that turns into control post-board. I bring you Schrödinger's Breakfast! [Full league video]

"You don't need Urza's Saga. You just need patience." I am super proud of my brew and my play during this league. This is my first ever transformational sideboard deck, and it worked out great.

Is it Breakfast or is it UB Tempo? The juke is real! No Sagas, Shukos, or bad cards (other than of course ceph, nomad, narco, dread return, oracle) 🤣

Most of the matches we play the control role, but we're often just able to jam out of nowhere for the surprise win.

And I love sideboarding in my bowmasters and Kaitos, and completely ignoring all their graveyard hate. The sideboard wastelands are super effective because opponents aggressively mulligan into graveyard hate with the assumption that their lands are safe.

Decklist: https://moxfield.com/decks/75Y1SSGocki_fhhJ1e72IQ

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u/BeExcellent80s — 6 days ago

What to name with Cabal Therapy in Mardu Energy?

I came back to legacy recently after a long break and am not overly familiar with using Cabal Therapy.

I normally used thoughtseize and the blue counter package.

I was hoping those more familiar with the format and energy vs other matchups could give me some tips of when to use and what to prioritize when using Cabal Therapy.

Thank you.

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u/lucman98 — 7 days ago

EP. 176 — Eternal Weekend, Flow State, Bans | The Eternal Glory Podcast

HOT!🔥 Brian, Phil, & I talk Eternal Weekend, Flow State, & Bans!

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u/Bryant_Cook — 6 days ago

Austrian Legacy Masters Stream

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Hey everyone,

we’ll be streaming the entire Austrian Legacy Masters 2026 weekend live from Linz, Austria.

Coverage starts today at 18:00 CET with the Warm-Up FNM and continues through the weekend with two ELM Qualifiers.

Stream schedule:

Friday - 18:00 CET

Legacy Warm-Up FNM - 5 Rounds

Saturday - 10:00 CET

Austrian Legacy Masters (ELM Qualifier) - Swiss + Top8

Sunday - 10:00 CET

Austrian Legacy Challenge (ELM Qualifier) - Swiss + Top8

Saturday’s main event already sold out at 64 players, so the field should be pretty strong.

We’ll have feature matches, commentary, deck techs, standings updates, and interviews throughout the weekend.

Stream:

www.twitch.tv/austrian\_legacy

See you on the Chat!

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u/Phinek — 6 days ago