r/MtGHistoric

Free 25,000 word Historic Bo3 Tier list & Metagame Guide by Altheriax

Hey everyone! I put up a completely free in-depth Historic Bo3 Tier list and Metagame Guide yesterday which totals over 25,000 words and has a lot of detail to tie in with the launch of my Patreon and I thought some if you might find it useful.

It has a breakdown for each deck with it's strengths and weaknesses, as well as how to approach each matchup, and possible ways you can tweak each list to improve the matchup against each of the other 14 decks on the tier list.

I hope you find it useful and I'd be happy to answer questions if you have any.

https://www.patreon.com/Altheriax/posts/historic-bo3-166877306

The decks covered are:

Tier 1

Izzet Phoenix

Golgari Yawgmoth

Boros Ruby Storm

Tier 2

Azorius High Noon

Dimir Frog

Abzan Samwise

Orzhov Blink

Esper Ketramose

Jund Goyfs

Tier 3

Gruul Valakut

Abzan Ouroboroid

Izzet Affinity

Boros Auras

Simic Eldrazi

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u/altheriax — 1 day ago

Feedback on valakut scapeshift and eldrazi ramp

Currently looking to play some historic (coming from Pioneer), I've been doing some lookup on the meta and I'm interested in both valakut scapeshift and eldrazi ramp. I've watched some gameplay for both and they both seems solid. I have only the ressources to craft one of them, I would like to gather some additional feedback about the pros and cons before I choose.

For context I mainly play bo1 and bo3 from time to time.

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u/Silfir — 2 days ago

Just hit mythic with an archetype I've never seen someone else play: Boros legends

Flowering of the White Tree, Mox Amber, Merry Esquire of Rohan, and the channel lands provide very strong payoffs for the deck being almost entirely legends. The legends can provide most of the utility and card advantage you need while leading to some very quick kills, especially with General Thunderbolt Ross, White Tree, and Mox Amber starts which can kill on turn 3.

For your opening hand, look to always have a 1 drop unless you can double-spell on 3 with a mox amber. The best hands will contain mox amber, white tree, or 1 drop ---> merry.

The best matchups are black midrange decks like dimir frog, and slow combo decks like belcher or valakut. The worst matchup is gruul berserk, which I am 0-5 against and is nigh unwinnable. Most other popular decks (ruby storm, UW flash, Phoenix, lightpaws) are even matchups.

If you like creature decks you should check this out, it's a lot of fun and I imagine the deck will get new cards just about every set given WOTC's propensity to print so many legends these days.

For an up to date list check out the decklist on moxfield

u/Polenen — 3 days ago

On Arena I've pretty much only played Timeless and Limited. I'm looking to get into Historic, but don't feel like buying a ton of wildcards. For Timeless, I've got Mono Black Stompy, Dimir Reanimator, Hexmage Depths, Zoo, various Death's Shadow/Moon Shadow, and Super Shredder variants. Lots of fetch

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u/Fluxcapacitor121g — 5 days ago

Hobbit in Historic?

Which Hobbit cards are people looking to try out in Historic? Is there anything that slots in to a current deck or could potentially create a new archetype?

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u/cardknocklife — 7 days ago

Quick Mythic with WG Visitors in Historic BO1 -- my own homebrew that started as a Bogles deck!

https://imgur.com/a/X7VLhuG

Hello, all!

I'm DeathItself. I decided to try Historic for the first time when i got the bug to test out the following premise:
"If i run 8 copies of Bogles (1/1 hexproof), i might win more games by mulliganing to find one Bogle and all gas than i would if i was running 12+ creatures since each additional Bogle in hand is basically a dead draw."

My little experiment was my first foray into Historic. I knew zero cards, zero decks, no clue about the meta.

The mulligans... they hurt a lot. Going down to 4 cards in hand just to play a turn 1 Bogle may not be the strongest line after all. And even with a full grip, my creature would often top out at a mediocre size.
With a truly underpowered list I was hovering at a 48% winrate. I felt there must be something here.

Enter Visitors:

I was trawling through scryfall searching for strong 1drops when i struck gold: [[Generous Visitor]]
A +1/+1 counter for each cast enchantment. On a body!

I did know of [[Optimistic Scavenger]] and was testing it out a bit. This discovery finally made me shift from Bogles to a much more potent if glass-cannony build.

Another breakthrough happened when i faced someone playing [[Esper Sentinel]] and [[Mother of Runes]] and [[Hushbringer]].

Those are all seriously potent effects, on cheap bodies i can pump! I crafted one of each to test them out. My precious Bogles were now down to one copy of [[Gladecover Scout]] and one [[Slippery Bogle]]. In a way i really liked it, since now i could finally guarantee not to draw any extra copies of Bogles. 😬

The deck, the numbers:

76-36
68% winrate over 112 games.

16 creatures
Plus Lurrus which i added along the way when i learned about it. It's an elite package i have. Happy with every card. I'm running 1x Mother for the same reasons as with Bogles: because i'd rather not draw her at all than draw 2 or 3 copies. Same reasoning with [[Hushbringer]], but that one is up to 2x since she dies more easily than Mom, and she's an excellent target for buffs. And she just shuts some decks down.
Weakest link? I hate to say it but it's the last remaining Bogle. It's good! But it's the weakest of the creatures.

25 enchantments
It's a thin line, balancing too many vs too few. Not sure what's optimal, especially now that i have the potential card draw from Esper Sentinel.
Lots of shaky inclusions and "necessary evils" here. [[Cartouche of Solidarity]] and [[Sentinel's Eyes]] can be MVPs or just okay, depending on each game. And even [[Seam Rip]]. But the first on the chopping block may be some copies of [[All that Glitters]]. 2 mana is just so much for this current iteration of the deck.

18 lands
I don't know, man. The Bo1 hand-smoothener gives me excellent hands often. But it's terrifying keeping one-land hands. Lost some games like that for sure. I don't even know if i was supposed to be mulliganing those.
I could see myself going up to 19 or even 20 lands, since i would definitely be adding [[Eiganjo, Seat of the Empire]] too.

I've played +300 games of Historic now in total. I have seen zero copies of Generous Visitor played against me. One copy of Optimistic Scavenger -- someone playing a standard deck. :) So to the best of my knowledge, I've legit brewed a brew here! I've searched this sub. There's barely a mention of the card. Someone did make a deck with Visitors and even a whole video primer years ago, but it's very different to my low-to-the-ground build. If you have any ideas on how to potentially improve the deck or how to build a sideboard, I'm all ears! Including the landbase.

The imgur album has 11 images. I annotated them but don't know if everyone can see that text -- i know i can't on the reddit app i use. Here's the link again:

https://imgur.com/a/X7VLhuG

I'd like to talk historic, i welcome any questions and insight.

u/-DeathItself- — 13 days ago

Thoughts on Bolt being legal in historic

Title. Seems like it would be nice to have for quite a few decks and I'm having a hard time seeing how it would warp the format terribly but am looking for other perspectives.

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u/shutupingrate — 14 days ago

Grixis Death Shadow

My absolute favorite deck to play in Historic. You think it would be hard to play a 3 color death shadow deck without fetches but lemme tell you, IT IS POSSIBLE!

Drown in the Loch is such a powerhouse in this deck. It just feels like I'm usually doing way more than most of my opponents.

Whats your favorite Death Shadow build in Historic?

u/delverofthemany — 14 days ago