
Where is this lake?
Hi guys! I've been searching to see where exactly is this lake and mountains! I appreciate any advice

Hi guys! I've been searching to see where exactly is this lake and mountains! I appreciate any advice
Hola!!! Saque para irme con mi pareja un finde largo a BRC en Julio, son solo 4 días. La idea del plan era estar tranquilos con un buen paisaje, asi que no queremos explotarnos en actividades, pero algo queremos hacer.
El alojamiento que sacamos está en villa campanario, asi que un dia lo vamos a dedicar a hacer circuito chico y el Llao Llao, que estamos muy cerca. Tengo dudas de si es preferible hacerlo caminando / en bici o como, va a hacer frio en esa época. Nos gusta caminar mucho.
Y pensabamos en una actividad más (ski, snow o culipatin) pero no sabemos si hacerla en el cerro Otto o en el Catedral. Tampoco tengo info de en que lugar me convendría reservarlo ya que estoy lejos del centro y vamos a necesitar transporte.
¿Me podrán recomendar?
Muchas gracias!!
We went to Patagonia on both the Chile and Argentina sides, and I do not know how we got so lucky with the weather. Here are a couple of tips that I wish I had known before going.
But Torres Del Paine changes much later. We left on the 17th, and there were still lots of greens left in the foliage at lower elevations.
You don't need cash. But some restaurants will charge more if you pay with a credit card. From El Chalten, to boarder crossing restaurants, to small campground cafes in TDP, we didn't need cash once.
When you go through customs in Chile, they will give you a small receipt and say nothing. That is your PDI, and you need to keep it to show hotels and for when you leave the country. I threw mine out, but the border guard let us through still with a quick eye roll.
Dress warm. I dressed in a 4-layer system. The weather is wild, and the winds can make it feel so cold even when the temperatures say it will be well above freezing.
The most beautiful place on earth!
Shoutout to Ben (u/ConnectPatagonia) and this subreddit. This adventure was only possible because of all the tips and knowledge shared here!
Peace!
I am looking at doing 7 nights in Chile and want to explore it all. Has anyone seen any great hotel
Recommendations or Luxury guided trips? Thanks for any suggestions.
We plan to go over Thanksgiving week and it is my wife/daughter she is 12, so we really want to both be pampered but also have great views.
Hi,
We are planning a holiday end Dec-start of Jan and are spending time in both Argentina and Chile, does the below sound sensible?
BA-El Calafate travel day & supplies day
El Calafate - El Chalten travel day
El Chalten 3 full days (laguna des Los tres one of the days)
El Chalten - El Calafate travel day
El Calafate 2 full days
El Calafate - Puerto Natales bus
Appreciate all help in advance!
Hola a todos. Para los que han hecho Dientes de Navarino, ¿qué es lo más duro que les tocó? He hablado con algunos que les tocó cruzar ríos hasta el cuello, y sé que el tiempo es súper impredecible. Pero quisiera conocer más experiencias para anticiparme bien. Gracias
Many dont know about Patagonia in winter, the weather is not scary, its an adventure, unique and one of a kind, its mind preparation and the right gear and the experience is one of a kind. The best part of Torres del Paine in winter is the empty trails, the quiet camps and the feeling that the mountain is all yours. These photographs are of the W trek in the months of June, July and August in Winter. The days of making first tracks and seeing the puma markings along the trail is a feeling of sublineness summer does not give you. Ive been leading treks for many winters now in patagonia and this is some personal advce. Dont underestimate the weather any season in Patagonia. You cannot be miserable if you are warm so layer in puff jackets not bulky fleeces, I carry a 700 down to hike in if its cold and a thick 800 Rab for my camp time, skip fleeces they are bulky, I carry 3 puff jackets in Winter they pack down to nothing in a dry sack and they are bullet proof warm, I have a 700 black diamond, a 800 Rab thick down and a thin primaloft for layering. As soon as you stop you layer up, your body cools down so fast. Bring extra socks, bring 3 or 4 pairs of gloves, if it snows or is wet they wont get dry good in the cold and if we get wetter weather and its golden to have on standby. Your rain gear is not an option and pants and jacket that are 3 layer gortex are necessary. Keep all of your gear in drysacks inside a drysack that lines your bag, the outter liner is not rainproof and you need to keep dry in winter, especially if you are hiking the full W not doing the day base hike and then scooting over to the Vertice refugios as most offer the W but skip the trail from Central to the French Valley which is not the true full W, if in tent you will need these extra layers. Dont buy cheap hiking crampons, Salewa and Ice Tecnology is what I use, they have good track and thicker spikes those little ones with the black yellow dots are crap and will break. Wool is warmer and dryer than poliester, it breathes and does not stink like plastic layers do. Poles are necesssary as well as high top boots which are goretex, gaiters over your boots keep the shoes way drier and keeps the snow from slipping into your boots and keeps your socks dry. Winter W expedition is harder than a summer experience but its one that will make you grow in mind and spirit and the snow scenes are unlike any views anywhere else in the world. If you come to hike Patagonia this winter, invest in your gear and your experience will be a happy one. Much love to all the winter hikers, Cheers from Puerto Natales, Magallanes
Hi all,
We are planning our trip to Patagonia (December 2026) and would love feedback. Our main goal is the W Trek in Torres del Paine + some walks in El Chalten, but we also want to hit the most special spots along the way. Looking to see if anything is out of order, not worth it, or should be swapped for something better.
Day 1 — Flight Düsseldorf → Santiago.
Day 2 — Arrive Santiago early morning. Spend day + night in Santiago. Sleep: Santiago
Day 3 — Pick up rental car. Drive to Concón, spend the day there. Sleep: Concón
Day 4 — Drive to Valparaíso and spend the day, then back to Santiago. Sleep: Santiago
Day 5 — Fly Santiago to Punta Arenas in the morning. Sleep: Punta Arenas
Day 6 — Visit penguins 🐧 in the morning. Take bus to Puerto Natales in the evening. Sleep: Puerto Natales
Day 7 — Restock, leave bags behind. Bus to the park in the afternoon. Sleep: Welcome Center
Day 8 — W Trek Day 1: Mirador Torres del Paine. Sleep: Chileno
Day 9 — W Trek Day 2: Chileno → Cuernos. Sleep: Cuernos
Day 10 — W Trek Day 3: Cuernos → Francés (via Mirador Británico). Sleep: Francés
Day 11 — W Trek Day 4: Francés → Paine Grande. Sleep: Paine Grande
Day 12 — W Trek Day 5: Mirador Grey + hanging bridges. Sleep: Grey
Day 13 — Ice trek in the morning. Boat to Hotel Grey + transfer back to Natales. Sleep: Puerto Natales
Day 14 — Relax in Puerto Natales. Sleep: Puerto Natales
Day 15 — Bus to El Calafate. Sleep: El Calafate
Day 16 — Rent car in El Calafate. Visit Perito Moreno Glacier in the morning and after drive to El Chaltén. Sleep: El Chaltén
Day 17 — Walk in El Chaltén. Sleep: El Chaltén
Day 18 — Walk in El Chaltén. Sleep: El Chaltén
Day 19 — Walk in El Chaltén (waterfall, short route in the morning?). Drive to El Calafate and fly to Buenos Aires, departs 17:30. Sleep: Buenos Aires
Day 20 — Buenos Aires. Sleep: Buenos Aires
Day 21 — Flight back home.
Is Concón + Valparaíso worth it? Or should we swap for something else near Santiago?
Is it workable to visit Perito Moreno (we don't plan an excursion, as we'll walk on Grey) + drive to Chaltén on the same day?
Anything underwhelming we should cut?
Thanks a million!
Photos from a four days camping in the park and day hiking. Most mythical place on Earth and the conditions were glorious.
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I have an Atom LT, and have always wanted a Atom AR/Heavyweight, but they are expensive and the last few years, they are never in stock. For those who own one, what do you think of your Rab Xenair Alpine Insulated jacket? Was it a good buy? Pros/cons, Likes/dislikes and whatever commentary you have. Thanks in advance!
Edit: Addendum: btw, I have a Rab Infinity Windstopper Down Jacket (last season's). Will there be an overlap with the Rab Xenair Alpine Insulated jacket? Thanks
I've heard a bit about hiking in el chalten without the pass - going early, switching trails etc... I've bought a 3 day pass but will be staying an extra 2 than originally planned and the price feels extortionate when I've already paid. Could anyone share some experience or tips on getting round booths or when/where to get onto the trails?
Is it doable or crazy to take a flight from Santiago to Buenos Aires (16hr+ layover) from 5:45pm to 10:10am next day and spend the night in Buenos Aires? Our connection to El Calafate would leave 10:10am next day so I was thinking maybe we could go out, have a nice dinner, sleep and head back to the airport around 8:30am? We land in AEP and leave from AEP with the connection.
Any flaws in this plan? Is AEP quick on security? We would check out bags and only take our carry on/personal bag to spend the night out of the airport.
Final ascent these days not possible without crampons (or good microspikes) unless you want to risk your life.
Booked a two week Patagonia trip and wanna do as much as possible. My group of four are the W Trek east to west 5 days 4 nights. I wanted to book glacier grey kayaking with Bigfoot on day 4 in the afternoon and day 5 do glacier grey ice hiking. I’m worried we’re gonna be dead tired and legs are gonna be too sore to wanna do these
After driving almost the whole way in the darkness. I was gifted with this view.
Is it actually safe? What about the roads? My husband and I are planning to drive from Puerto Montt all the way to Chile Chico and cross into Argentina. I understand we would have to take a ferry at some point. I’m just concerned about the roads and the weather changes we could experience in mid-November, which is when we’re planning to go.
Also what kind of car do you guys recommend we should rent?
I couldn't find recent existing posts about Nomades or Denomades, so just wanted to check if anyone has had any good or bad experiences booking Patagonia packages with them. I've seen mixed reviews (not for Patagonia) so I'd just like to check if anyone else has booked with them before and how your experience was.
Unfortunately, Vertice Travel doesn't seem to have refugios available for my dates but Nomades still does.
I'm planning to book this W-trek package for my family for Nov/Dec 2025:
https://www.nomades.com/en/puerto-natales/w-circuit-id236
Thanks in advance!
I am currently planning a trip to Patagonia scheduled for February 2027.
Question 1:
Regarding the W-Circuit(West to East)—specifically comparing the 4-night, 5-day itinerary with the 3-night, 4-day version—does the shorter option simply mean that the daily walking distance is increased while following the exact same route?
Question 2:
Alternatively, does the shorter option involve skipping a specific section of the route to reduce the overall distance?
Question 3:
If you were to recommend one over the other, which would you choose: the 4-night, 5-day itinerary or the 3-night, 4-day itinerary?
I would greatly appreciate any advice from those who have completed this trip.