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begging for a discussion of Credence by Penelope Douglas

begging for a discussion of Credence by Penelope Douglas

Given how much the guys "enjoyed" It Ends With Us, I really feel like this is a perfect book to consider. It has incest(?). Domestic abuse portrayed as spicy. Dirt bikes. Woods! I'm literally begging. It's such a train wreck and it's so fun to laugh at.

u/bloop202 — 1 day ago

"It Ends With Us" by Colleen Hoover - a book filled with domestic abuse and sexual assault that is somehow pitched as a 'romance'

WRITE-UP

Thanks everyone for giving us a read and a listen; for the full discussion of “It Ends With Us”, check out the podcast here:

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It should have ended sooner.

 

If you are not already aware, Colleen Hoover’s It Ends With Us is the story of Lily Blossom Bloom, who falls into an abusive relationship with a man name Ryle Kincaid. Marketed as a romance book, it has received widespread criticism for romanticizing domestic abuse and sexual assault (Domestic Shelters.org wrote this strong condemnation of the book and phrases these arguments better than we can).

I know what you’re thinking. This is a famous and popular book about domestic abuse written by a woman, that found an audience with young women online, selling millions of copies in the process. And our podcast is a group of 4 dudes. A group of guys is probably the last ones who should be having an opinion on the subject, especially ones who have never faced domestic abuse themselves and are unlikely ever to.

But I actually think the opposite. I think it behoves men to read and discuss books like this, not only to better understand other perspective, but in order to see how patriarchal tropes about abusive relationships pervade all of society even books by women for women on the subject of domestic abuse.

And that’s why we’re discussing this book this week; not because women need this book mansplained to them, but because all of us – men especially – can learn from this book in order to see just how bad things really are in our society when it comes to popular discussions about gender-based violence and domestic assault.

Let’s start from the beginning. Lilly Blossom Bloom is a 23-year-old ginger who loves flowers. Let’s just ignore how preposterously lazy that is as a name for a moment. The scene opens in Boston where she stands on the roof of an apartment building that she doesn’t live in. She is standing off the edge, wondering if people who commit suicide ever think “Well crap, this was a bad idea.”

The flippant way that suicide is discussed sets the tone for the book: serious topics are engaged with only at surface level. Enter Ryle Kincaid, hunky neurosurgeon. He is, well, all riled up about something. He kicks open the door and starts throwing chairs around without seeing Lilly Blossom Bloom. He reveals it’s because he lost a patient that day; a small boy shot by his brother when playing with their dad’s gun. Lilly Blossom Bloom and Ryle end up chatting, and he flirts with her and says “I want to fuck you.” And we are supposed to find it charming.

We also get flashbacks to Lilly Blossom Bloom’s past, as she reads her diaries. She addresses them all to Ellen DeGeneres. As dumb as that is, we have to forgive the author for not knowing just how much the world would come to hate Ellen later in time. As a teenager, Lilly Blossom Bloom noticed a homeless boy – Atlas Corrigan – in the empty house behind hers. He was beautiful with bright blue eyes, so she gave him a sandwich let him shower, and they fell in love. We also learn that Lilly Blossom Bloom grew up in an abusive household, and that her father beat her mother, and also beat up Atlas Corrigan to chase him away form Lilly.

Back in the present, Lilly Blossom Bloom opens a flower shop. A rich woman – Alyssa – walks in and offers to work for free, and they become best friends. But it just so happens that Alyssa’s brother is none other than Dr Ryle Kincaid. He sees Lilly Blossom Bloom at her store, and follows her to her apartment building, sneaking in, and knocking on every door until he finds her. When he does, he begs her for sex. And again; we’re supposed to find it romantic.

We also learn that on the first night they met Ryle was taking pictures of Lilly Blossom Bloom and had them printed and framed in his house. How dreamy. We also learn that Dr Ryle Kincaid supports the Boston Bruins, and again, we’re supposed to find this romantic instead of psychotic.

The two start dating and fall in love. But all is not well. When there is a mishap in the kitchen, Ryle pushes Lilly, knocking her down and hurting her head. She is wounded, but it was a small mistake, so she forgives him.

It gets worse. When they have a fight later, he pushes her down the stairs. Again; a mistake, a tragedy, but he’s a good man and Lilly Blossom Bloom loves him, so she accepts it.

It is only later during a particularly violent assault and attempted rape (which I don’t want to repeat because it is quite shocking) that she realizes that he has gone too far. When she goes to the hospital to treat her injuries, the doctor lets slip that she is pregnant.

She leaves Dr Ryle Kincaid, but not without forgiving him and telling him he’s a good man at heart. She agrees to co-parent with him, since everyone deserves a second chance. The book even closes with her handing her child over to THE MAN WHO VIOLENTLY ABUSED AND SEXUALLY ASSAULTED HER. This is not only profoundly dangerous, but also would be illegal in many countries, and would make Lilly Blossom Bloom directly legally complicit in any abuse committed against the child.

This is why this book is a piece of shit. Not because of what it has to say about women, but what it has to say about men – and how it defends and enables the worst forms of behaviour while claiming to empower.

Perhaps the author is claiming to be showing us not why abusers abuse but why victims stay. But if that is the case, then the abuse needs to be rightly condemned, not idealized as romance.  We all know that it’s a common trope that romance novels and movies often romanticize behaviour by men that would be seen as aggressive or even psychotic in real life. They don’t take no for an answer, they stalk the woman, they insist, they beg, they are overly amorous in the workplace. We accept that in romance novels, to some extent, because that’s the genre, and we all know certain genres take liberties with reality.

But any book about domestic assault needs to challenge those tropes, not accept and celebrate them. Ryle’s problematic behaviour is never questioned, not even in retrospect. It is still depicted as romantic that he stalked Lilly, that he refused to take no for an answer, that he insisted and begged and demanded sex. And Lilly still loves him, because he’s a good man.  And so, she gives her daughter to him.

Far be from me to explain feminism or domestic abuse to women. But for all the fellas out there, this book should give us all pause for thought. Not because it sheds light on why victims stay, but because of how well it shows that even in perhaps the most unlikely of places (a book by a woman for women about the abuse of women) we still see the impact of patriarchy and narratives that forgive and even celebrate abusers.

 

For an extended discussion of this, other books on our radar, and related tangents, check out the podcast:

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Also, we added a voicemail if any book club members want to leave a message for the show.

 

u/BeauDashington — 8 days ago