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Alexander Carlisle's '64 lifeboats'

Contrary to popular belief, there is no evidence that Alexander Carlisle or Harland & Wolff recommended to the White Star Line that more lifeboats should be fitted.  What they did do is provide a new Welin davit design which would enable them to carry more lifeboats in the future, if the regulations changed.  They also provided four additional semi collapsible boats for each ship.  Comparing the number of lifeboats shown on the ‘Design “D”‘ concept which the White Star Line approved in July 1908 with Titanic as completed in April 1912, the number of lifeboats increased from 16 to 20.     

https://markchirnside.co.uk/presentation-from-the-archives-olympic-titanic-a-very-remote-contingency-lifeboats-for-all/

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u/Mark_Chirnside — 5 days ago
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Why is J. Bruce Ismay so hated?

Ismay was the chairman of the White Star Line, the tycoon that owned the RMS Titanic. I think a lot of his hate is fueled by the 'captain goes down with the ship' ideology.
Of course, he wasn't the captain of the Titanic, but culturally, Ismay was viewed as the 'co-captain' of the voyage. While Smith chose to go down with the Titanic, Ismay stepped into Collapsible Lifeboat C on the starboard side.

He made it out alive, but his life ended the moment he stepped off of the Titanic.

His reputation would go on to be brutally butchered by public media. He was forced into isolation by the common and upper crowd alike, having to survive with trauma, survivor's guilt, and extreme hate.
Even today, his image is made to be some sort of 'meme'. The trademark of coward captain.

It's human nature to put oneself first. Had anybody advocating against him been in that situation (which, I'm sure, most of them can't even fathom) they'd have done worse to live. I don't get the Bruce Ismay hate. Unless you willingly blocked something that could've many others survive/harmed others in any way, then you putting your life first is ENTIRELY justified- which Ismay didn't even do. He actually spent hours loading lifeboats, and only got into the last one on that side (when there were no other passengers in sight). No person with rational thinking would've chosen to face a cold, horrible death for pure symbolic reasons.

Cameron's Titanic also really fueled the modern hate. I feel like his image could've been cleared largely by now. Just another reason I won't be watching the Titanic anytime soon. If you make a movie on a real historical event, then don't demonize real, historic characters who faced trauma. Actually, my wording is completely wrong here. These are not your characters. These are real people who faced enough hate to fill up eight times of your whole fucking existence. That seriously pisses me off. Anybody who shit talks a man should do their research first.

It's easy to run your mouth when you're sitting in a warm, cozy room, reading the news or watching the T.V. Public figures who push forward hate against people who've survived tragedies should be put in those same situations.
Then we'll see who sinks with their ship.

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u/Successful_Sky_7369 — 11 days ago
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Question from a Five Year Old Titanic Lover

Hi all, I have a five year old son who is currently very interested in the Titanic. We’ve borrowed almost every book about it in the kids section of the library, watched documentaries, all the things
His current question that I don’t know the answer to is how much of the stern (in feet) was sticking up out of the water right before the final plunge, as depicted in the last panel of this image.

u/charlotteannp — 11 days ago