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Anantmangal Swami

I am so done. I don't even care anymore. Today we had a convention at the temple and I was asked to present. I left satsang a few years ago but was invited due to the relevance of my work and the topic of the event. National sant deadass spamming the n-world hard r, f word, every curse word in the book, as well as poking fun of kishores/yuvaks for having a dark skin complexion. He was looking at our screen times to try to get us to do more of the niyams and everything and when we saw his scren time he had 6 hours daily average on clash royale. I thought he played the game just to relate to fellow kishores and yuvaks but turns out this is all he does as a sant. How are you supposed to bow down to someone like this? I don't understand please drop experiences of this guy below:

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u/Successful-Law-72 — 11 days ago
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BAPS Is now targeting college students conversion in US!

This is wild. They’re trying to give a nice marketing food appeal to college students and promoting it as a rep of hindusim. Especially in america?!?! Are they really here to be spiritual or to market their services?! Scammers!

u/Cultural-Boat7679 — 12 days ago
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Members of SPAB - Some of you are psychotic!!

It's so ironic how people are in here commenting about how "evil" and "horrible" BAPS is, and then they decide to send me these kinds of messages. I know not everyone in this group think and act like this, but for those who like to attack and harass - you guys need to really introspect.

Backstory: All I did was remove MY OWN anti BAPS (in relation to Paris) post and apologize for MY misunderstanding. From there, members of this group have decided to personally message me...I'm leaving this group altogether. This group was meant for ideological discussions and has turned into something very demented.

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u/Rude-Poet6825 — 12 days ago
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Good things you experienced with BAPS

Many of you may already know, but for the other half, I have been an avid critic of BAPS or any faith/cult where the population gets brainwashed.

However, it has been brought to my attention that this has led to an unhealthy imbalance of negativity in my thought process and lifestyle. So, for once, I am trying to consume or present a positive approach at least once a week.

I would write about some of my experiences, and I would love to invite yours. As it is universally impossible to generalize anything, feel free to point out if any of my points, or anyone else’s points, are false to a significant degree.

I had a super brief involvement with BAPS, but I have grown up with Satsangis throughout my life, and I have a hobby (or autism) of reading every tiny corner of the newspaper. So, it would be better to judge me as an observer rather than as an ex-member.

  1. There is little to no internal or external violence compared to any other sect or religio. It might come across as obvious to an audience from North America, but it is quite an acclimatized issue in India. Raising an issue against any sect, belief, government, or corruption almost always ends with the death of the whistleblower. If you're curious, see videos of Vadtal group fighting with each other, which I find inappropriately funny.
  2. Many of my BAPS Satsangi friends are from “lower” castes, and I haven’t heard that they were discriminated against inside the organization So, I believe they are friendly, at least as entry-level believers. While it is quite common nowadays for the majority of sects, regardless of what they believe internally, one will turn away a huge vote bank by being casteist.
  3. No hateful targeting against minorities. Their speech is regulated to a great extent. It is quite common nowadays to create a minority enemy and scapegoat them in front of an angry, blind audience.
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u/Human-unlearning — 10 days ago
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Forcefully assigned Salesmanship by BAPS. How Calendars and Bal Prakash reached every household… read👇👇👇

I still remember that our Bal Karyakars Gave us Sales target of selling Calendars and Bal-Prakash Magazine of BAPS.

It was very humiliating experience and it felt like slavery.

By anyhow we had to sell those calendars and Bal Prakash.

It was an extra burden of being a Satsangi.

My Dad was also a Sanchalak and he was assigned target of minimum 50 Bal Prakash membership.

And if he didn’t a swami would torture him mentally over the phone and ruin a peaceful sleep. (I remember a swami called at night 12:30 and scolded him for not meeting up with the target)

For children of Bal Sabha the minimum target to sell Calendars was 11. Going door to door and convincing people that see this calendar has a Panchang and a beautiful photo of Pramukh swami and/or Swaminarayan.

My father paid the “LavaJam”(subscription fees) of the customers from his own earning to finish the targets. Many of them were relatives.

Many people never paid us the money that my father had paid.

To market Bal Prakash the karyakars had to convince parents by saying that this Magazine gives Sanskaar to your children by teaching Sutev-Kutev and will connect to Hindu culture.

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The MARKET SURVEY and App promotion in Name of Pramukh Swami, Peace and GHARSABHA
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Prior to Corona : Karyakars were told to Visit the homes of strangers and show them videos of Pramukh Swami and convince them to install an App of Pramukh Swami from Play store.

By doing this the App reached in top charts of App Store. And tell the people to do Ghar Sabha for peace of home.

But it had nothing to do with the Ghar Sabha or peace.

It was a Market Survey of BAPS. Where Karyakars had to rate the Response on Likert Scale. (The same old Stratification technique Bin-Satsangi/Gun-Bhavi/Satsangi) but with different name.

They were geographically zoning the groups and demographics.

Fortunately Corona came and I had to embarrass less by visiting stranger’s houses and doing a market survey and promote app for cult.

They encouraged everyone to volunteer for this children, men, women. By saying that you are doing a divine job.
By making one person Satsangi you get the fruit of saving one entire universe…😳😳

LOL really. Forget universe. Just save our country first from the corruption and rapes

u/Pitiful_Bad_8068 — 10 days ago
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“Social media hate train after Paris”

OKAY so they didn’t explicitly ask to remove women fine, BUT my problem is that these sadhus literally RENOUNCE the world.

Their family, their friends, their activities, hobbies EVERYTHING to become sadhus.

So why why why WHY are the partaking in worldly experiences?

That still doesn’t make sense.

We had sadhus over 2 years ago saying we should give more than 10% of our income with inflation, to not travel so we can donate to mandirs and Akshardham, Dr. Swami telling people not to have big weddings or sangeets.

SO WHY ARE THEY PARTAKING IN WORLDLY EXPERIENCES?

The Eiffel Tower was man made (for a women too).

You don’t talk to your parents or other family but will go see worldly sites?

Doesn’t make sense.

All these news articles calling everyone out for jumping on a social media hate train NO it still makes NO SENSE.

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u/LowTumbleweed7992 — 12 days ago
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An old conspiracy video. Discussing about the psychology behind Celeb worship.

The video highlights that many middle class people follow a celeb in this case a godman because many of them have fucked up in some area of their life.

They become so obsessed that they cannot accept the reality in front of them. It is like extremism.

Like celebs change their appearance and enhance beauty the swamis also try to become cosmetically appealing to stay relevant and close to perfection

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One another thing:

If you stop going there in satsang the peers pressure you to come again

They say that the quota of your Punya(good deeds) has emptied so you cannot climb the stairs of Baps Mandir. It takes many austerity of lives to achieve Satsang….😆

And if you still refuse they will say we don’t need you. Nothing will stop here without your presence. Many came and gone like you. Many “BhalBhala”(ભલ ભલા) came and gone. You are like Alaiya Khachar (there is always a relevant story to cage you in words).

🧐🧐🪁When you say you did so much for the cult they will say …we didn’t say that you have to do…😆WTF
They are actually the ones who give assignments and lot of labour by luring or convincing people with constructs like Rajipo and Peer Pressure.

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I promise this is truth 👇👇👇

Bright balaks are taken to BSS Sabha. A more binding Sabha where they prepare future Karyakars from children.
In BSS Sabha they show National Geographic Documentaries and do some good brain storming.

But it also has brainwashing at next level.
They literally teach that the best company to work in in BAPS.
Give examples of good earning people who left jobs and took job in BAPS NGO at a lower wage compared to their original job…

Because baps company gives Rajipo that never kehte company can give.

They also teach that never rebel against the policy of Madhyasth Karyalay or never talk ill of any misbehaving bhakt or a sadhu…
It is Guru Droh…

Assignments in ChaturMas were like
Watching Pramukh swami videos for 20 minutes regularly…😡😡
Horrible Niyams

u/Pitiful_Bad_8068 — 10 days ago
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What about the Billions of humans before BAPS was created in 1907?

Billions of human beings lived and died before BAPS even existed, completely shut out from reaching Akshardham. Was Akshardham just sitting totally empty until 120 years ago? And look at it today. It is packed almost entirely with Gujaratis, with virtually zero representation from other races or even other Indian backgrounds.

You can say the exact same thing about the entire Swaminarayan sect. Billions of people before the 1800s had zero shot at reaching Akshardham, so was heaven just a ghost town until two centuries ago? Even now, it is almost exclusively one single demographic.

For thousands of years, Supreme Swaminarayan witnessed massive human migrations, brutal holy wars between Abrahamic and Dharmic faiths, and religious movements spanning every continent on Earth. He watched the vast majority of the global population worship Jesus or Allah for centuries. Yet we are expected to believe he ignored the entire world just to manifest in rural, colonized Gujarat in the 1800s to finally drop the absolute truth?

Fast forward to today. The Pragat Aksharbrahm, Mahant Swami, supposedly walks the earth right now, yet 99.99999% of the planet does not know a single thing about him. Meanwhile, pure chaos and crazy disasters keep happening across the globe every single day with zero difference.

Do not dodge this with whataboutism about Christianity or Islam. This is a BAPS space for a reason

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u/juicybags23 — 11 days ago
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Lust in Satsang and much more… Read full. Satsang a free pass to flirt. The fake Letter system. The so called utopian NRI satsang and information bombardment. Satsang as false alternative to Caste.

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Satsangi Sacha saga. Deh na saga e sacha saga nahi: very problematic statement . Your true relatives are Satsangi and not the relatives of your body… Hemraj Sheth story is made to cut you from your original caste community and dissolve in the fake satsang community.
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Horny Satsangis ….

Horny Men satsangis

They always defame garba but…
I know. Many uncles and young men who gather to drool for the girls and married women in Mandirs

Some people join swamis on the way to padhramni. When female members hide in other rooms these bastards take Aarti thali and have a glance at the women as if they have got free pass to do it in guise of Satsang. Then they discuss among themselves in detail about the beauty and sexiness of females… never let these strangers enter your homes. They are bad for your family.

Many never sit in sabhas but outside in seva of Distributing Prasad or in Rasoda(Kitchen) department to establish a rapport with female satsangis.
Yuva Karyakars also enter homes of their friends to call for Sabha and have an eye on the cousins and sisters and even married women of the house.

I remember a yuvak who had camera and always used to roam around female seating arrangement and take photos of women. He had long hair and acted cocky. He could make a good IPL cameraman.

Horny Female satsangis

From account of a cousin I have also known that the Girl children and young adolescent girls going to Adhivesan had affairs with fellow Satsangi boys…Dominant Bully Girls also did subtle raging with weak Girls in the accommodation at Sarangpur during Adhivesans.

Horny Satsangi girls woke up very early in the morning and did Pooja. Their Sanchalaks were very happy., but the purpose of them waking up early was to sit in the front rows. And the boys with whom they had started a new affair sat on the last row. When the adhivesan ended these girls cried in pain of detachment…
Regarding Raging: some girls knew lot of Stuff related to sex and made groups for horny talk and excluded the girls who were less aware of such stuff. They also locked my cousin while bathing and turned off the lights. She complained to mahila sanchalak aunty but…
The mahila sanchalak was on the side of bully girls and complained the parents of my cousin that your daughter is too weak and too sensitive(my cousin got scolding from her mother instead of getting defended).

I also know an other incident of a senior Mahila karyakarta straying a balika in sarangpur just because she has personal Enmity with the mother of that girl.

Another account I came to know about a widowed woman who started an affair with a married Satsangi man in the Nagar of Shatabdi mahotsav… she was rich and the guy was behind her money.

Foreign country. Satsang not so friendly…

The BAPS sadhus tell stories of how the present day USA satsang is like nothing less than SATYUGa but after knowing countless stories of NRI fellow satsangis I came to know it is all a Facade.
One such incident I know was that my mom gave a chair to an elderly woman who had back problem in Sabha. She was very thankful and surprised and said she that {{ in USA they had donated 27 Lakhs and the prominent satsangis ignored them like they were nothing and didn’t even offer a chair when the woman had newly operated the spine…!!!
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Letter System of Swami

My maternal aunts father was dying of cancer. We hear that mahant swami if writes letter it is infallible.

If he says the person gets Akshardham he will definitely get it and die. If he says there are more years to stay he/she will survive irrespective of any kind of ailment.

But the letter she wrote to Mahant swami and got repley that her father will be fine didn’t turn out to be fruitful.

Unfortunately the person(her father) died and the reply email came after many days. She waited for many days but her father died and after he died she received the letter with ashirwad that he will get well soon….!!!

I firmly believe now that some letters only turn out to be true by luck and probability. And the incidents that favour the cult are made public and termed as success. (It is conformity bias).

Many people die in mandir doing seva getting Electrocuted or falling from height or lifting something heavy but such incidents never come to news. Because it challenges the so called divinity of their false godman.

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Information Bombardment

Baps keeps its devotees engaged and hardly let them do anything else around the week and they ban them from listening other speakers calling them PAROKSH”.

The control lies in their program design made by some trained psychologist.

It is a cage of words and arguments almost impossible to escape for those who are not brave enough.

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As opposed to the ideal lifestyle of a Grihasta and Tyagi. These cults have made it just opposite to vachanamrut’s guidance.
Grihast should be living in luxury with good vehicles and belongings and Tyagi should accept all kind of difficulties and swallow disrespect but the Tyagi(sadhus) live a lavish lifestyle eating purest of food, nicest of cars and mobiles.

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An incident of double standard::

When mahant swami visited my city I went near the lobby where he walked. A swami pushed me rudely and said to sit in Sabha and told me you are NAVRA”. I was standing there on advice of a Satsangi who worked in team of personal cook of swami. But I had to leave because of that swami.

I found a video of the same day few days letter in which same Swami who told me to go away was standing with a rich woman’s son introducing him to Mahant swami.(the guy had a history of drinking and his father was also a drinker who was very rich but died). Irony is that the swami who said me to walk away knows my father personally and takes lots of Baadam and Kishmish when he comes to padhramni at my home. But I don’t know why these swamis and many satsangis suddenly turn stranger and rude whenever Mahant comes to the city. Many of such satsangis never daily visit temples. But this is what happens. Then after few years the guy who was taken to swami for personal darshan died in accident drink and drive. Then my mom told me that he got moksha 🤡. And that is why mahant let him meet him and not you. His deeds were probably greater than you in past lives…!!! Wow I who has never touched whisky is bad compared to habitual drinker who born in a drinker’s family!!!

u/Pitiful_Bad_8068 — 11 days ago
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Please read this fantastic Conspiracy found from an FB post. “MS Group” was a tactic of soft Launch of Mahant swami.

u/Pitiful_Bad_8068 — 11 days ago