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I need help to find a sappho fragment

For context: I‘m kinda painting yuri for my art assignment and wanted to write a part of a sapphic poem in the original ancient greek onto it. I landed on fragment 58b and fits perfectly with my motive. The problem is that i couldn‘t find the original greek version after searching for HOURS and it doesn’t really help that i don’t know a lick ancient greek. Can somebody help find it?
Thanks ^^

u/Aspen_Zephyros — 4 days ago
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Okay... just... everything about this...

(discovered this archived thread on the GirlsundPanzer subreddit while looking if there was any official confirmations on sexualities in the show.)

Let's pretend that the creators didn't create a whole series that does indeed confirm some queer identities. Or, like the commenter does, let's pretend that a parody presenting characters as exaggerated versions of themselves is not canon and therefore "exaggerated version of self" means that any queer identity is unconfirmed.

Let's also pretend that Yukari didn't gasp while Miho's measurements were listed when they were getting fitted for uniforms and later in a definitely canon OAV bought a swimsuit for Miho and claimed she knew Miho's sizes "just by looking."

And let's also pretend that in the first episode, Miho wasn't having an overstimulation blush-a-thon while Saori and Hana were leaning into her from either side. With her two friends blithely unaware of the effect.

Let's also pretend that in the main series, that when the suggestion of getting Miho a boyfriend comes up, she didn't immediately have a small panic and then turn the topic toward how much she loved all her girls. Followed by Saori finding it odd to receive a love confession from a girl and Yukari going swoon voice about Miho confessing her love.

Let's also pretend that there's not a dozen different approaches Japanese creators take when they're doing something all-ages to get queer relationships in under the radar and a lot of them appear in this show....

Let's set all that aside....

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"Not lesbian but doing it anyway?" is just a bonkers description of ....ANYTHING

Characterizing Yukari as "tanksexual" feels insulting to pretty much anybody with a variety of neurodivergence that loads in with a special interest. As if an autistic girl can't both love tanks and be attracted to girls.

With the commenter... at least their denialism extends finding heterosexuality also being arbitrary.... but still....

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Fuzzy text under "Not lesbians (but doing it anyways)" zoom in.

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> Not lesbians but doing it
One is tanksexual. The other is straight. They're dating in canon.

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I remember seeing this when it was first made and I have the same criticism of it that I had then: it's so arbitrary, and in some cases it's purely the speculation and wishful thinking of the creator. Yukari and Miho confirmed dating? No, not really--there's one chapter of Motto Love Love where they go on a date, but Miho doesn't seem to understand that it's a dare, Motto Love Love is a parody, and Motto Love Love isn't really canon in any case (although it presents exaggerated views of various characters' canon personalities). The "Confirmed Lesbian" list is straight up an asspull--with the possible exception of Carpaccio none of them are really particularly exceptional in any canon plot line (and even Carpaccio--I still don't see why she and Caesar are yuri, they act the way childhood friends who haven't seen each other in years stereotypically do in anime, it's just that Caesar is usually so self-conposed). Motto Love Love pretty clearly makes Naomi and Nonna yuri, and suggests that Darjeeling is at least curious, but I don't really see how that makes them confirmed anything, because once again Motto Love Love ain't really canon. The others are totally made up--there's nothing to indicate MakoXSodoko, they just have a very dysfunctional friendship because Mako doesn't know how to get along with people and Sodoko is Sodoko. I don't think I even need to attack Smug-chan's placement...The placement of most of the "Maybe" and "Unknown" groups is been more arbitrary--most of them have so little information that you could shuffle them around interchangeably. The "Any Port In A Storm" group is silly--what makes us think any of them have any interest in women...? Except maybe Saori, but most of her flirting with Hana in Motto Love Love is pretty obviously supposed to be a joke. Even the "Hetero" group is largely arbitrary--of the Bunnies, the only after who mentioned having a boyfriend is a sitting in the "Any Port In A Storm" group, yet here are the others magically all confirmed as herosexuals...

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u/Thrythlind — 8 days ago
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Favorite Character(s) that is treated like this by fans?

It's all fun and games, until you suggest the idea of the character(s) not actually being straight. Bonus points if the character could be interpreted as bi/pan, rather than just gay. Or in some cases asexual even.

u/Crafter235 — 13 days ago
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Why is it that indie queer creators get hate for the littlest stuff, while those like Ryan Murphy get praise and rewarded for being much worse?

With the news of the Ed Gein show and now Murphy trying to adapt an Bret Easton Ellis novel, and being reminded of the chaos when one character from Knights of Guinevere was confirmed to not be genderqueer, it had me wondering. I have previously attempted at asking about this before, but because using Vivziepop as the main example, it unfortunately just went to internet hating and being accused of “double standards” despite the point of calling out one.

But with the main topic, I overall notice with how indie queer creators, from a small mistake to writing a queer character as flawed, will get immense amount of hate and even accusations of queerphobia. However, Murphy on the other hand can double down on negative stereotypes (not in a “be gay do crime” good way, more like “queers are sick freaks”), fetishize, and over all punch down on minorities and yet he still gets praise and is seen as progressive. And don’t get me wrong, I am aware of hate he gets, but it’s less about how he portrays queerfolk and more of just general writing, but even then with how he does queerfolk, there’s still some defense and support of it, whether it be “he’s just a product of his time” or trying to paint him in an overall sympathetic light. Also doesn’t really work when you hear how toxic he is behind the scenes. It’s also ironic with “product of his time” when you consider as the years go by, he just doubles down on his worse aspects instead of improving like most creators who make outdated stuff. And yet, indie queer creators get much more hate for much less. You bring up a problem about him, and you'll get all these comments of "Well what did you expect", despite other queer creators (and ones with much better queer rep and stories) being forced to higher standards. And while I bring up him specifically, this can also apply to a lot of (cis white) gay creators who get a pass for their biphobia, transphobia, racism, etc. Why the double standard?

And on a side note, whenever people try to just say it’s campy, it feels a lot of that “campiness” of Murphy’s shows is just an excuse to get away with being a sexist and prejudiced asshole. Not to mention whenever people bring up that he "opened new opportunities for marginalized groups", I cannot help but feel it's less of actually being progressive and more of this sense of paternalism and white saviour mentality. And at times when he tries to cover queer history, it just feels like gross appropriation that's only tolerated because he panders to respectability politics.

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u/Crafter235 — 12 days ago
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Just your friendly reminder that slop like this is a large part of what contributes to erasure among the masses.

My examples: Alexander the Great and Hephaestion & Dr. James Barry. Lets check off the inaccuracies shall we?

1: (assuming he's being literal here) Alexander and Hephaestion were VERY likely more than friends. I know that some people might disagree with this take, but I would argue that Hephaestion was Alexanders greatest love and life partner.

2: Hephaestion, according to the ancient sources, was taller than Alexander.

3: Alexander (probably) wasnt a brunette but a ✨️strawberry blond✨️ if the Leochares bust and the Pella mosaics, which appear to have been made during his lifetime, are to be trusted.

4: James Barry also wasn't a brunette, he also appears to have been a strawberry blond according to a (non-Transphobic) biography of James I read.

5: Wtf is up with James's face? Or those freckles or is that acne rosacea?

6: Dr. Barry was actually not the first doctor in history to perform a c-section in which mother and child survived, he was just the first person within the British Empire to do so, as well as the first European to do this in Africa.

5: Lastly 👏 Dr. 👏 James 👏 Barry 👏 was 👏 Trans! 👏

u/captivatedsummer — 12 days ago