r/SaturnianRealism

Hi everyone. Quite a while ago I started researching Saturn as a deity, as well as its symbolism. I wanted to ask how I could worship him and learn more about him.

Over the years I've researched many religions and deities, but not all of them seemed to respond when I tried to communicate with them. Saturn, on the other hand, did. I made what you could call a wish or a request to him, and it came true exactly as I had hoped.

Because of that, I'm not sure how to interpret the experience. Does it mean Saturn accepts me, or could it be a sign that this is the path I'm meant to follow?

I'd love to hear your thoughts or advice, especially from people who work with or worship Saturn.

So in some obvious ways Saturn and Jupiter seem like opposites, the Greater Malefic vs the Greater Benefic, contraction, limitation, etc. vs expansion, etc. Yet both are in various ways tied to social order, which gets extremely confusing fast.

When I read about the Golden Age, it makes me think of some sorta high tech transhumanist utopia. Their dream is very similar, really. To live very long not having to work your ass off and all that. On the other hand, I've met people who interpret this myth to refer to something of an idealized hunter gatherer society, you know, the "noble savage" type stuff. Idealization of humanity before society and technology made us "evil". I didn't find this interpretation plausible at all at first until I realized that the Golden Age ended when Prometheus gave us fire.

In the Cult of the Black Cube it is suggested that Saturn works for both of these extremes, a high tech authoritarian state and reversion into some sorta nature centered anarchy.

So if Saturn symbolizes this more natural and "primitive" mode of existence, then Jove overthrowing him symbolizes the arising of society and civilization. But on the other hand Saturn is often understood as the civilization builder himself.

Similarly, a good argument could be made that Saturn stands for communal way of life, you know, no private property, hierarchy, etc. Then Jupiter becomes the God of all this stuff. But on the other hand Saturn easily has to do as much with hierarchy, authority and even tyranny.

Jupiter is usually associated with philosophy, yet Saturn has way more to do with deep contemplation, introspection, looking for secret truths, hardcore dry rationalism and proneness to melancholy.

Saturn is associated with the poor and Jupiter with wealth... except Saturn is also associated with wealth. In a more weird way?

And so on. It seems like while Jupiter is consistently straightforward, Saturn is absurdly dualistic and combines extremes.

So I wonder how the side of civilization, authority, social order, conservatism, wealth of Saturn relates to corresponding Jupiterian qualities.

I've been debating myself on whether to post this or not as it falls under UPG territory but as a Gnostic who left mainstream Christianity and started praying to the planets, I can't reconcile Saturn with the god of the Jews OR the demiurge. I know of several books who make the connection and I don't see it as absolute.

I see Saturn as higher than the other spheres, but he's not the Creator god - rather he works under the orders of this god. Saturn to me is a scary and rule-abiding ruler, for sure. I know he likes justice and that he is a strict teacher. But I can't justify the genocidal (to me liar and hypocritical) god of the Old Testament with the patient Saturn who keeps his word and doesn't change through time. I also can't accept the fact that leaving organized religion and practicing witchcraft apparently all comes back to YHWH. How is that possible? And if that's truly the case, how do you pray to Saturn from a non-Abrahamic point of view?