What exactly are the relationships between Saturn with society, law and order and Jupiter with society, law and order?
So in some obvious ways Saturn and Jupiter seem like opposites, the Greater Malefic vs the Greater Benefic, contraction, limitation, etc. vs expansion, etc. Yet both are in various ways tied to social order, which gets extremely confusing fast.
When I read about the Golden Age, it makes me think of some sorta high tech transhumanist utopia. Their dream is very similar, really. To live very long not having to work your ass off and all that. On the other hand, I've met people who interpret this myth to refer to something of an idealized hunter gatherer society, you know, the "noble savage" type stuff. Idealization of humanity before society and technology made us "evil". I didn't find this interpretation plausible at all at first until I realized that the Golden Age ended when Prometheus gave us fire.
In the Cult of the Black Cube it is suggested that Saturn works for both of these extremes, a high tech authoritarian state and reversion into some sorta nature centered anarchy.
So if Saturn symbolizes this more natural and "primitive" mode of existence, then Jove overthrowing him symbolizes the arising of society and civilization. But on the other hand Saturn is often understood as the civilization builder himself.
Similarly, a good argument could be made that Saturn stands for communal way of life, you know, no private property, hierarchy, etc. Then Jupiter becomes the God of all this stuff. But on the other hand Saturn easily has to do as much with hierarchy, authority and even tyranny.
Jupiter is usually associated with philosophy, yet Saturn has way more to do with deep contemplation, introspection, looking for secret truths, hardcore dry rationalism and proneness to melancholy.
Saturn is associated with the poor and Jupiter with wealth... except Saturn is also associated with wealth. In a more weird way?
And so on. It seems like while Jupiter is consistently straightforward, Saturn is absurdly dualistic and combines extremes.
So I wonder how the side of civilization, authority, social order, conservatism, wealth of Saturn relates to corresponding Jupiterian qualities.