r/SwainMains

Did anybody else see Knight's Swain today against T1? It was insane and such a good pick against T1s comp.

Me and my mate plays this combo alot in botlane (we are plat/emerald).

I wanted to recommend it, since its a very fun combo. We can usually brute force our way through the lane and win most encounters!

Swain takes the farm, tahm supports. It works the other way around as well but easier for swain to farm.

The setup pre 6 is either:

Tahm q - swain e - tahm w - swain w + q. This is usually enough for a kill or atleast forcing a recall.

The real interraction is that swain R stays active if tahm eats him. So swain can ult and tahm can eat him and tank for a bit to let swain keep R up for a longer time, kind of like a free/moving zonyas. This is crazy good for teamfight, especially with rylais on swain.

Have fun!

Bonus forbidden tech: swain supp + sion adc. Their setup with sion E into swain combo just feels great, and swain E into fully charged sion q hits like a nuke!

I was watching the Top 24 Day 2 of Evo when I looked around and saw some familiar dev team faces seated behind me. Spoke to Unconkable very briefly, expressing how much I want Swain in the game. I got the impression Swain doesn't get asked for often, although he's popular in future character polls I've seen, so I thought of a cool and very rough idea for him in 2XKO.

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In the lore, he's sent to Ionia on a failing mission by then grand general Boram Darkwill because he was viewed as a threat to Darkwill's rule. Swain cheats death by making a deal with the demon of secrets, Raum.

I thought of how in fighting games it's common to lose a round since you play ft2 each set. So what if Swain had 2 forms? Not an install, but a post-"death" demon form that's only playable after you lose a round? I think it'd be cool both to play as and against.

It's a rough concept. I gave him a glaive because I always imagined soldier Swain with a very One Piece Whitebeard-like figure. Canonically, I don't think we've ever seen him pre-Raum but I'd imagine he's much younger than current League Swain i.e. Noxus cinematic Darius' age.

Balance-wise I don't expect either form to be stronger than the other. Movesets will be very different, and I'm sure the dev team will cook much harder than I can. His League moveset is very straightforward to translate but the possibilities are endless.

One cool idea is somehow adding his life drain. It would be uninteractive for an fg to just proc at close proximity. What if, instead, he used his demon powers to close in a domain on the stage (fortnite style), essentially forcing close combat (which is good for his Q dmg iykyk).

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It would only start closing in slowly when he's in his demon form (2nd round), only to a max of 30-40% of the stage, and the safe non-drain zone would be around him. The drain would have to be VERY slow to be balanced, but it should be just enough to encourage close combat which is a fairly achievable counter.

I'll leave the real cooking to the devs, I'm happy with all character designs so far so I'm sure they'll nail it.

CMV:

A midlaner need 2 of 3 things in to be viable and meta.

1- good waveclear/wave management capacity
2- tools to roam around
3- kill potential.

For example, Talon is great at roaming and killing.
Lux is good at clearing and killing, and her range is useful around the lane.
Sion/TwistedFate/Galio are great at clearing waves and roaming with ult.

Ahri is great on all three because she’s an Asian egirl money maker.

So that’s my criteria.

Swain isn’t great at any of clearing, roaming or having any kill potential.

Swain is all skillshot with low damage.
Hes slow and you W won’t do shit if your JG is being jumped by Leeann and Ahri.
And his clear is just alright. Barely. Good help you if there’s a canon in there.

That’s why he’s a mediocre midlaner.

Botlane works because your support helps you compensating one of your three weakness. A Naut will give you target access, a Brand will increase your kill and clear potential.

And Swain’s “jack of all trade master of none” will pretty much always be complementary to your support (unless it’s an enchanter).

Any thoughts?

Why does riot not want Swain to scale? His ult gets barely any power per point. R2 has 40% AP ratio and r1 has 4% and 5% AP ratios. Hp ratio is 1.5%. Swain q is the only thing that scales on him unless you count the W cd per point and its range. They set some goals for changes on Swain and then they don’t really follow through post changes. Just feels bad. So why are they not giving a battle mage scaling? He’s the only one who does not scale past midgame.

I'm tired of waiting

CAW CAW CAW

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