r/UniversalBasicIncome

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Now is the time to introduce UBI

Jobs are being replaced by AI at an accelerating rate, and people have nowhere to go to earn income. Monetary flows are still massive, but they just don't reach the people at the bottom. I think UBI is very appropriate in this situation. Or who will buy the groceries?

But in all seriousness, we are moving towards ab economy where UBI will be real because AI and robots handle all the low level tasks, so UBI can be distributed in the form of a small amount of necessary goods such as food, basic supplies etc. So we can start slowly testing the waters and now seems to be a good time.

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u/Longjumping-Ad5084 — 4 days ago
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World wide money circulation, UBI and why Social Democracy no longer work.

Disclaimer: This is AI generated image and it sort of illustrated my point.

I post world wide money circulation of USD. This circulation work so well because it is a part of more fundamental money circulation which was created after Brenton Wood die and financial sector was unleashed.

https://www.reddit.com/r/KiwiPolitics/comments/1w2ybmy/why_we_should_look_into_slowly_decoupling_from/

Now we look on this fundamental circulation. It included all financial markers and real economy. Why it exist? Real economy does not create money. So in order to function amount of money circulating in it, payed in wages and good and services need to stay constant or even increase with real economy grow. And that mean if excess profits go to financial sector, equal amount has to be borrow by real economy. The same true about interest on existing debt. That why financial capital and debt always grow. Individual can pay of it debt, workers as a class can not, unless by forced redistribution.

Idea of UBI, even old come back to public focus after 2008 crush. Crush happen because real economy no longer was able to service it debt by borrowing more. There was a suggestion of "helicopter money". In 2008 USA was easy able to do that. Instead of QE just create money and give to USA population, this solve problem. Interest would be paid and borrowing will resume. Instead financial sector was bail out by QE.

That is economy idea of UBI, give population money equal as minimum interest it is pay and as maximum interest + excess profit. That will balance economy with out touching financial sector. USA was able to do that when USD circulation was secure. This money will be suck into financial sector and will not effect real economy. Just balance it. Any other country can not do it. Any other country need to tax rich one way or an other in order to finance UBI. Taxing workers would not do the trick, as money need to go to workers in order to balance economy.

And here we come to "why Social Democracy stop working". It is simple, goverment no longer tax rich as it used to. Case study is the last attempt to use Keynesian economy ideas to balance economy by a big country, France under https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Mitterrand goverment. It attempt to realize it Socialist plan and tax Capital. Capital declare strike and run to Germany. There was no Capital controls, which existed under Brenton Wood in order to make it work. So, Socialist Keynesian plan was abandoned.

And here I will give recognition to TOP. They identified the only way governments still have power to tax rich - Land Tax. Rich can not take land away, yet. Problem is - It would not be enough. Taxing other wealth may work specifically for NZ in current political situation, as rich may want to continue to stay in NZ. We probably safest place on earth from War, especially Nuclear War. But do not underestimate rich greed, tax need to be small. May be TOP would be able to give UBI equal to amount interest real economy pay and this keep NZ economy stable, but I would not bet on it.

u/GeologistOld1265 — 4 days ago

If AI replaces labor, what would stop UBI from preserving dependence rather than ending it?

I’ve written an essay arguing that businesses could support UBI to preserve consumer spending while resisting measures that give recipients meaningful independence.

One scenario: automated transport becomes widely available, but people on inadequate incomes can only afford discounted rides that require watching ads. Machines do less work for us while businesses find another way to claim our time.

I call the broader arrangement “consumer husbandry”: maintaining people as sources of spending, attention, and data after their labor is no longer needed.

The biggest question for me is bargaining power. If withholding labor can no longer stop production, what institutions would give people leverage over the owners?

What is the strongest argument against this forecast?

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u/LysanderEssays — 6 days ago
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Bernie is right, this is INSANE 🤬 Total Wealth of Bottom 50% of U.S. households In 1989: 317.8 billion In 2026: $313 billion Now compare this to the the top 0.0001%

u/Feed_The_Soul_ — 11 days ago
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You are not a citizen. You are a financial battery for a billion-dollar illusion.

You did exactly what the nation demanded of you. You studied relentlessly. You secured the job. You took the ₹2-crore home loan to build a stake in your city.

And you quietly surrender up to a third of your labor every month to the state. You built the much-boasted "New India."

But the moment the market falters and the layoff email arrives, the government vanishes. It only reappears one last time—to extract a 30% cut from your severance pay.

When they boast of the world’s fastest-growing GDP, they are holding up a billboard that reflects their vanity, but our exhaustion.

GDP is not a metric of human dignity. It is an abstract ledger that ignores: ▪️ The crumbling roads and gridlocked signals you commute through. ▪️ The toxic air you breathe. ▪️ The sheer financial terror of losing your job with zero state-backed unemployment insurance.

We are funding a welfare state we are explicitly forbidden from participating in. We pay First-World taxes for Third-World infrastructure, administered by a political class that enjoys lifelong pensions, secure housing, and zero personal financial risk.

Look at the social contracts of the Gulf. A state like Dubai delivers for its citizens today, not in some abstract 30-year vision document. They build infrastructure and distribute housing without demanding groveling gratitude, and without plastering a politician’s face on a billboard as if taxpayer-funded dignity is a personal charitable gift.

They understand that a government's job is to serve the citizen, not to farm them.

But here, the salaried professional is treated as a shock absorber. You are expected to generate wealth, absorb economic downturns, pay for your own private healthcare, secure your own private safety net, and quietly fade away when you are no longer useful.

We are not asking for a favor. We are demanding the basic dignity of a return on our investment.

We are the silent, bleeding engine of this economy. It is time the engine stopped running quietly.

Are we the only demographic that has normalized being financially exploited?

u/ProfessionalRude007 — 12 days ago
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American Union Jobs Program: A POPULIST Act Explainer

TL;DR: All employment is work, but not all work is employment. The American Union Jobs Program would establish an unconditional income floor, recognize the value of unpaid work, and connect citizens to a broader system of economic security.

An unconditional income for every citizen — §811

The POPULIST Act would provide an initial $20,000 annually to adult citizens and $8,000 for children, with adjustments for inflation. Payments would not depend on employment, job searches, or proving financial need.

The money would arrive through a free digital transaction account maintained with the US Treasury, forming part of the Act's public monetary system.

Recognize work beyond employment — §811

Raising a child, caring for an aging family member, coaching Little League, creating art, and organizing a neighborhood are all forms of work, even when nobody pays a wage for them.

The program's name reflects the shared civic responsibilities established in the Constitution's Preamble. Receiving an American Union Job would not mean being assigned compulsory labor.

Unconditional income would give people greater freedom to refuse unsafe employment, negotiate better conditions, care for family members, pursue education, or start a business.

Connect income security with family and health care — §814 and Title III

The POPULIST Act pairs unconditional income with additional benefits. Its paid family and medical leave program would provide eligible workers with income replacement when taking time away from employment for childbirth, family caregiving, or qualifying medical needs.

Medicare for All would provide a separate national health care system, reducing the connection between employment and access to health coverage. Its premiums would be linked to the Act's basic wage rather than ordinary household income.

Offer paid employment to those who want it — §812

A separate American Union Employment Guarantee would provide a voluntary public option for paid work. By January 2028, eligible adult citizens seeking employment would be offered a placement within 14 days, with fallback opportunities when a regular placement was unavailable.

An American Union Job unconditionally pays people to be better citizens, reminding them of the duties laid out in the Preamble to the Constitution.

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u/PopulistGuru — 13 days ago

Five different options for when robots replace human labor

  1. Monthly paychecks for the unemployed

  2. 100-300 sq ft apartment for free with free food and basics. UBI doesn't exist. If you can't afford your mortgage or rent, you'll have the option to move in here.

  3. 100 percent tax on everything where we divide that collected tax equally for each US citizen. Costs doubled but with current spending amounts, you'll each get $50k per year. The amount may drop if more choose to spend less with increased costs, which might be a good thing. Illegal immigrants wouldn't get this extra $50k and they wouldn't be able to afford costs at 2x without it.

  4. We create a plan that drops work hours to 30 while increasing pay to match 35-40 hours a week.

  5. We merge all US companies into one. Work hours can drop to 30 to allow more hours for the unemployed and robot replaced. Unemployment does exist and we would have to be sure everyone's most basic needs are met. There's no advertisement, no scam businesses. The entire company can put planet health, people's health and animal health first.

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u/Big-Negotiation-3494 — 13 days ago
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mansa Musa or elon musk net worth ? what would u choose

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i'am aware that timeline plays a big role but the answer is mostly determined by what u seek as value currently we live in a critical area where evolution accelerates towards the unknown

we still use old systems to define value and purpose

Last time I mentioned that monetary system the fiat money we currently use isn't backed up by any tangible value except empty promises and it's only temporarily useful to determine exchange prices of goods and needs

the problem is whoever closest to the tap drinks first people who created this system are the 1 percent controlling worldwide wealth thas why we see Blackrocks D\*\* in each major company's Ass wixh causes the Cantillon effect

things get pricier, inflation hit markets

new drugs less healthy food , Srobots

better 💣 etc ...

my point is the only measurement of value we actually have is time and purpose of existence

and clearly we doing great mFs

especially with the new creation of AI tech give birth to

the greatest invention of capitalism (creating less jobs !) maybe the concept of heaven wasn't so far except this time u must be from the epstein files to get the ♍ and baby angels

Anyway this time exactly governments are trying to create a sentient more complex digital beings with way higher consciousness the most powerful tool created will get acces to our future as humans it's not even a theory it's whats happening right now

were going to witness mass scale of unemployment wich leads to poverty and starvation regional and national conflicts wars ...

the solution may not sound easy but it's doable

we should create international experiences events different scales and themes

events for entrepreneurs to fix or create concepts, startups ,solutions , services in specific regions or nationally at some point globally to increase the GDP then connect to BUI and basic universal services to people to live from

events for worldwide leaders instead of corrupted elections we got to see leaders have mma fights instead sending our brothers to wars ,surf waves to see who gots bigger balls , drop them in islands for survival context

and that shit should be live streamed trust me u won't see Joe biden anywhere

also events for nowdays thinkers philosophers etc

to test our minds for it's full potential

to build this we need a new decentralized ecosystem no ruler no king no priest

means we need a combination of tech that monitors a balanced governance tools for economical balance

and equal distribution of resources and guide Most critical decisions

like costumized codes based on most fundamental values and ethics thas commonly agreed upon treat others and prefebly other species as u want to be treated

this also means ideas and business , desire ur thoughts and actions are related somehow to ur existential contribution

if robots and Ai are going to do the boring repetitive work let us do the fun part experiencing the existence

exploring the corners of consciousness

for more equal and fast results we need commun rules to be changed like inheritance of wealth founders ownership , equity, international borders and fuck billionaires

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u/Aggravating-Store482 — 11 days ago