r/VendettaMainsOW

I know I've stated before that I'm fine with the the latest rounds of changes, but I've changed my opinion.

The passive nerf on its own is understandable, her variable speed was something that made her a lot harder to track. The problem now is that the nerf directly contributes to the reason why she had such bloated stat to beginn with on release, simply put, she is too slow / sluggish for what she does especially at the range she engages in.

Now the 125 armor and 40% life steal did allow her to function, but it did not fix the issue, if anything it introduced an even worse problem, which was her mindless trading, made even worse by her obscene burst thanks to overhead at the time.

This is why I'm fine with the overhead range and armor nerfs. They actually addressed her mindless trading problem, but now her issues are glaringly visible. She's simply too slow to be consistent, especially now with her range + speed nerf. For a flanker with no "you cant hurt me" button, she's simply too slow.

Shadow step, recall, deflect, burrow and dancing flame have all one thing in common, they give their users a way to completely mitigate damage. Vendetta does not have anything like that, which would be fine, if she could rely on her movement, which simply isnt the case right now.

Because of this I personally believe this are the changes she desperately needs:

• Base speed: Increase to 6.0.
  • This would result in the same top speed as before, without the variance that made her hard to track.
• Soaring slice: Revert CD on respawn nerf.
  • This was done cause of the vengeance perk allowing her to trade even more effectively. With that perk removed this is no longer the case. The nerfs needs to be reverted, she is not ball and we have JPC in the game.
• Soaring slice: Revert CD nerf back to 6s.
  • Vendetta has minimal to no poking potential. This nerf literally created a 16% increase in down time between engages, which feels awful, without contributing anything to the trading problem.
• Soaring slice: Speed up animation & projectile speed by 25-30%.
  • Soaring slice cant be used as a viable escape option because in turns her into a sitting duck, which heavily restricts how she can use whirlwind dash. This would alleviate that, while still leaving whirlwind dash as the primary disengage option, instead of the only one.

I would've liked to also reduce whirlwind dash CD to 8s, but I think that would be pushing it, especially since the base speed buff would directly buff whirlwind dash.

Beyond that, I have no other suggestions. I would've liked her CD damage nerfs being reverted in exchange for nerfing overhead to 100, but that probs will never happen. Blizzard loves having their over-centralized kits.

So I understand that Vendetta got some nerfs and that Venture hasn’t been good in a while and that tracer is considered to be a better hero than both, but I thought that was mainly because tracer is supposed to be a harder hero to play.

I feel like I picked up tracer pretty quickly, but with Vendetta and Venture I just can’t seem to get the hang of them at all. I can occasionally do well with Venture but Vendetta feels impossible to play. Even when people were saying she’s broken, I could barely get a single kill with her.

As soon as I’d go in with Vendetta, the entire enemy team just locks in like a hive mind, beams me in less than a second, and then continues fighting my team.

With venture, I just feel uncomfortable playing them on any map since it always feels like the hitscans on the other team have so much more range, that whenever I try and go near them, they just beam me or snipe me before I can get close enough to do damage. If I go underground to get close then they just get a support to peel and then I’m literally doing no damage.

I’ve been try to stop just posting rants so I now have a question. I’m curious if Venture and Vendetta’s difficulty is just underrated (since almost everyone says they’re not difficult compared to tracer, who people say is one of the hardest heroes in the game) or if I’m just a rare case. Has anyone else experienced this or is it just me?

Edit: Apologies about pronouns issue with Venture. I think I just got mixed up as I was talking about Vendetta in the same post and using “she” quite a bit. I’m pretty sure I’ve fixed it now.

https://preview.redd.it/qnxgx6kgmm5h1.png?width=335&format=png&auto=webp&s=0037679c8926fc8274118a3b9e0363c8dd5869a2

testing it in the practice range the initial edge deals damage but does nothing off the bounce what exactly is the purpose outside of the life steal and ap?

https://reddit.com/link/1tyc2bx/video/c9as4n47ym5h1/player

I for the most part agree with every nerf vendetta got outside of her abilities, especially since I was pushing for them myself. In my opinion they should've nerfed overhead even further down to 100 instead of nerfing the damage of her abilities, but that didnt materialized.

Still at least vendetta now is no longer an issue and while her kit might still have an imbalance in power, its now more of a conceptual kit issue than actual gameplay problem.

That said, currently she feels miserable to play at times and in my opinion that has mainly todo with the nerfs to Soaring Slice.

The best way I can describe this is by drawing parallels. Imagine if:

• DF rocket punch was at 4.5s.
• Hazards leap was at 6.5s.
• Mizukies katashiro Return was at 14s.
• Tracer blink was on 3.5s.
• Genjis deflect was at 9.3s, oh wait thats at 10s CD right now, thats actually even worse.

Its horrible, especially on a character like her who basically cant do anything else but engage. She simply has too many moments of inactivity, especially after her las rounds of nerfs (which were well deserved mind you). Its basically the same reason why genji right now doesnt feel fun to play, mainly cause of deflect being on a 10s CD.

The respawn CD nerf is probs the most annoying part. It makes no sense, especially after the vengeance perk got removed. She is not ball who can stall for ever and her trading capabilities have been neutered. Also we have the god damn cat.

Please blizzard, these are the only buffs I think she needs, revert the soaring slice nerfs:

• Buff CD back to 6s.
• Remove respawn CD nerfs.

I know it’s debatable to learn heros in comp since it’s considered throwing but do I actually just go to quick play to learn her? I known use dash to get out and sword to go in, and she’s a very hard hero for me as I’m a junkrat main. But she is very fun at least for me. So what should I do? Grind a couple hours in quick play until I feel confident? Or just go in comp and learn there?

I was using her when she was strong and had so much fun. im a genji otp but when genji was banned or i was feeling off, i swapped to vendetta and last season had a 78% winrate with like 6 hours on her. After the nerfs i didnt even try losing lifesteal to major pretty much made her unplayable to me (def skill issue) but i was too used to it.

how are you guys holding up and how did her playstyle shift asking for like mid masters tips/advise

Like right now she is at her peak in talon but when do you think we will see her slowly start to lose control as widowmaker described her a sinking ship