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Dating apps may be a non-clearing market: congestion, cheap signaling, and why rational behavior produces bad outcomes
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Dating apps may be a non-clearing market: congestion, cheap signaling, and why rational behavior produces bad outcomes

I spent the last several months trying to understand why online dating appears to produce so much frustration despite giving people access to vastly more potential partners than any previous matching system.

I eventually came to think the interesting explanation isn't primarily cultural or gender-specific. It's a market-design problem.

The starting point is thickness.

Matching markets generally benefit when more participants enter because the probability of finding a compatible counterparty rises. But beyond some point thickness produces congestion: too many potential transactions, inadequate mechanisms for evaluating them, and difficulty sending credible signals through the resulting noise.

Dating apps appear to combine several features that make this unusually severe:

1. The market is heavily asymmetric.

The large heterosexual platforms have substantially more men than women. That creates scarcity on one side and congestion on the other.

The same marketplace is therefore experienced as two almost opposite products.

2. Signaling is nearly costless.

A swipe or like carries almost no cost.

When expressing interest is cheap, broadly signaling interest can become individually rational. But aggregate cheap signaling destroys information content.

The receiving side then gets more approaches but less information about which approaches represent serious intent.

3. Congestion changes selection behavior.

Experimental research on online dating has found that continued exposure to large sets of potential partners makes participants progressively more rejecting.

In randomized experiments, acceptance probability fell roughly 27% from the first potential partner shown to the last.

The options themselves weren't getting worse.

Exposure to the option set changed the decision-maker.

This is the part I find most interesting: abundance can reduce successful selection rather than improve it.

4. The scarce side adapts too.

When matches become difficult to obtain, the rational response isn't necessarily to continue evaluating every match as a potential long-term partner.

A scarce match can be reclassified into a lower-commitment interaction.

So the congested side becomes more selective while the scarce side becomes less willing to treat the matches that clear as serious candidates.

Neither side needs to be behaving irrationally or maliciously.

Each side is responding rationally to its own incentives.

Yet the aggregate market clears worse.

5. The intermediary has a peculiar objective function.

Historically, intermediaries in courtship—friends, family, community, school, church, neighborhood—had reputational exposure to the outcome.

Modern platforms largely disintermediated those institutions.

But the replacement intermediary has an unusual economic characteristic:

Its revenue is earned while the search continues.

A successful terminal match removes two customers from the market.

That doesn't require anyone inside the company to deliberately prevent successful relationships. It simply means that engagement and successful clearing point in different directions as optimization targets.

6. We therefore measure almost everything except clearing.

Dating companies can measure registrations, active users, likes, matches, conversations, retention, payers and revenue per payer with enormous precision.

What remains remarkably difficult for an outsider to determine is the obvious denominator:

What percentage of people entering the system successfully leave it because they found the durable relationship they wanted?

Hinge is the especially interesting case because the brand promise is literally Designed to Be Deleted.

Yet the public operating metrics overwhelmingly measure people remaining, returning, engaging and paying.

There is some offline feedback—Hinge's "We Met" feature can ask whether a match produced a date and whether someone wants another date—but that is very different from longitudinally measuring relationship formation, duration, permanent successful exits and reactivation after dissolution.

That brought me to a broader hypothesis:

The public "gender war" around online dating may partly be the social symptom of a market-design failure.

Two populations experience radically different sides of the same mechanism.

Both possess accurate information about their own experience.

Neither sees the system producing the other side's experience.

So each concludes that the other population is the problem.

I ended up writing a much longer piece tracing this through matching-market economics, signaling theory, behavioral psychology, the history of courtship, the disappearance of social intermediaries, and eventually the financial statements of Match Group.

The last part became a public-equity short thesis because I realized the sociology generates financial predictions.

If the underlying marketplace is structurally impaired, eventually I would expect to see:

  • payer attrition;
  • heavier monetization of the participants who remain;
  • difficulty expanding the total category;
  • growth increasingly sourced from geographic expansion rather than deeper successful adoption;
  • and eventually a lower terminal valuation for the companies operating it.

That makes the public company an interesting way of putting an otherwise difficult sociological hypothesis under an empirical clock.

The full essay and sources are here:

https://dljlevfin.substack.com/p/the-undisclosed-denominator

I'm especially interested in criticism of the behavioral mechanism rather than the stock call.

Where does the causal chain break?

Is congestion actually the right framework?

Does cheap signaling necessarily degrade matching efficiency here?

And most importantly: what metric would you use to distinguish a dating marketplace that generates enormous engagement from one that actually clears successfully?

u/Icy-Drawer5856 — 3 days ago

Is CA + CFA a solid path into IB/PE in UAE, Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia? Also — how hard is it to break in without a finance degree from a target school (US/Europe/Canada)?

I'm a Chartered Accountant (no traditional finance/business degree, no target school background) looking to get into investment banking or private equity.

Two questions:

  1. For markets like UAE, Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, and Indonesia — is a CA + CFA combo actually respected as a strong path into IB/PE there? Or do firms in these regions still mostly hire from target unis regardless of credentials?
  2. For US, Canada, and Europe specifically — realistically, how hard is it to break into IB/PE with no finance degree and no Ivy/target school pedigree? Is CA + CFA enough to even get a foot in the door, or is that path basically closed without an MBA from a target school later?

If you've made a similar transition (or work in hiring at a bank/PE shop), I'd genuinely appreciate hearing how it played out for you.

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u/Few-Ear2658 — 2 days ago

Advice for incoming freshman recruiting for IB

Before anyone says it's too early to prepare for investment banking, I have friends at Wharton and LSE who were freshman with BB offers in the summer leading into their sophomore year. I also do have a life as I was originally a D2 recruit for basketball with 5+ offers, but stopped playing due to injury.

My goal is to recruit at an Elite Boutique and Bulge Brackets my junior year and I wanted advice on what to do as I join school in a week. I am an incoming freshman at UT Austin's McCombs school of business. I understand it is not a target, but rather a semi-target.

My Current Finance Experience

  1. Grades 9 - 12 : Ran a startup backed by a VC company that did 10k in revenue every month
  2. Worked at a small real estate private equity firm in my area
  3. This summer I interned at a search fund
  4. I currently have two offers (one at a small private equity shop and another at a LMM Investment Bank based out of New York)
  5. I have passed my SIE
  6. I have gone through the 400 page guide and have locked down all of my technicals.

My question is what do I have to do in terms of club recruiting, networking, and what are other professional experiences I should seek to get. How ahead of the curve am I?

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u/Street-Rip-6511 — 2 days ago

First internship

I am going into my second year of uni studying finance and i have no work experience. I m trying to apply now for the next summer but i don’t even dare to try golman or very competitive ones. What are some good not that competitive options like boutiques etc. my gpa is 3.8

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u/Forsaken_North_2279 — 4 days ago

8 years old with no finance experience. Am I already cooked for PE?

Currently at a semi-target elementary school but trying to lateral to a target middle school before recruiting starts.

Long term goal is MF PE. Current plan is:

Target middle school > elite prep school > HYPSW > BB IB >MF PE> HBS> back to MF PE

Problem is I'm already 8 and have zero relevant internships. Couple kids in my class already have search fund experience through their dads so starting to feel pretty behind.

Trying to decide between 3 opportunities for next summer:

1. Local newspaper route
Good early morning experience so could prepare me for IB hours. Concerned I'll get pigeonholed into operations.

2. Ice cream shop
$3/hr + free ice cream. Decent customer-facing experience but worried recruiters will view it as too retail-focused.

3. Playground startup
Friend's older brother has a 3D printer and sells custom stuff at school. I'd be helping with expansion to two new playgrounds. Technically biz dev but equity comp seems questionable.

Also started networking but response rates have been pretty bad. Sent 47 cold emails to MDs this week and only one replied asking how I got his personal email.

Should I take one of these or hold out for something more relevant?

Really don't want to mess up recruiting this late in the game.

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u/U_Accrete_Me — 7 days ago

Did I bomb my career?

Hi all,

I recently started a role in portfolio / performance analytics at an extremely good asset management firm out of Big 4 audit for a ~70% pay rise. At the time, I had a verbal offer to join the FDD team in six months, but declined it for the middle office PE role. My thinking was to not put too much weight on the verbal offer, but now I am wondering if I have screwed my chances for breaking into a more front office role.

A pretty big benefit so far is the exposure to the financial models behind our investments, our investment thesis', and various other resources. It is great for learning, but I worry about not getting the actual first-hand experience. The pay is top bucket, but the work just doesn't feel super interesting to me (mainly reporting on IRRs, multiples, and various other metrics for our own tracking and capital raises)

Any thoughts, guidance, or things I should action now would be greatly appreciated. Based in Australia.

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u/Possible_Goose4804 — 7 days ago
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AMA: I spent over a decade in S&T at a top tier BB (think GS/MS/JPM)

As the title says, I’ve spent more than 10 years in S&T as a sales person (so executive director level) covering institutional accounts, and while I worked only for American banks, I’ve always been based in Asia. My product focus was mostly on equity derivatives (e.g. flow vol, exo vol, structured notes) but also the more vanilla delta one swap (indices and baskets). I’ve also worked closely with cash equities function so I do know a bit about that side too.

Reading through this sub, it seems like S&T is often overlooked as a career path within “high finance”, so as some one who has always wanted to do this (I’ve never considered IBD or PE path) since high school, I want to do my part to give back to the community and answer any questions you may have about this career path to the best of my ability.

So, ask away!

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u/Ok_Quarter_6469 — 13 days ago

Is going into debt worth it?

Hi guys! I have a 44-45 predicted IB, and a 1530 SAT. I am applying to: Bocconi Finance, HSG Econ, Cambridge Econ and LSE econ, as well as imperial, warwick and ucl. For the UK unis I will have to either hope for funding (likely from Cambridge or LSE), or take a loan (difficult as an international student). Is the ROI high enough that LSE and Cambridge with debt for a bachelor's is worth it over Bocconi or HSG? I think only those two have a chance, since many people seem to agree that Imperial, Warwick and UCL aren't as target as Bocconi/HSG. What do you guys think? I also speak B2-C1 level German, if that helps. Also, I don't need to go into debt for Boccni or HSG - only the UK :) Additionally, do you guys think I have a chance of getting accepted to LSE with these stats? I have good EC's as well. Thanks in advance!

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u/Tough-Inspection-178 — 11 days ago
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Roast my CV (Targeting IB/PE BB, EBs, Independent Boutiques in London post grad)

As I enter my Master's degree programme at LBS I am preparing for the upcoming recruitment cycle and am trying to maximise my chances of securing a solid summer internship/off-cycle/Full-time position in M&A and/or PE in London. What do you think can be improved about my CV and how would you say it looks overall for the positions that I am targeting). I'm looking for you to roast this CV as hard and constructively as you can, I would genuinely appreciate real feedback. Thanks in advance!

P.S. I apologise in advance if this is the wrong place to post this, I'm new to Reddit and a friend recommended posting here.

u/Complete_Company_761 — 11 days ago

Financial career with a dismissed petty larceny charge?

Hey guys, I’m an Economics major going into my last year of undergrad. A year ago I was charged with petty larceny after stealing food from a Walmart. I know it was stupid and I’ve since gotten counsel and done community service to receive an ACD (Adjournment in Contemplation of Dismissal), where the case will be dismissed and sealed from my record soon.

I’ve been interested in pursuing a career in finance, and have been studying for my SIE, and plan to sit for the Series 65 before graduation to give myself a leg up when I have to get licensed and enter the job market soon. However, I just realized that FINRA and most banks and stuff actually fingerprint you during background checks, and my previous charge, even though “sealed” would definitely come up and I’d have to disclose it.

With the job market being as tough as it is, I wonder if it’s even worth it to continue pursuing this path being that I am labeled untrustworthy, especially because it was theft. Wondering if anyone has any advice if it’s over for me in finance or any alternative paths I could take.

Really bummed about this because I’ve been enjoying studying for the SIE and finally having a path to pursue.

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u/Professional-Math482 — 10 days ago

Is it worth trying for corporate banking RM internship for 2027 (non target school and 3.5/4.3 GPA)?

Thanks a lot for the feedback!

The reason why I got a tiny bit of hope is because I received a message from a big bank asking to confirm my availability (no interview invite) which usually if you stand no chance you simply get rejected :)

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u/Internal_Pause_2052 — 13 days ago