r/aircrashinvestigation

Mayday episodes vs their SFD counterparts

As a kid I often watched Mayday and Seconds From Disaster where I greatly enjoyed both series but now it's time to compare which version of each case was better. Note, the Space Shuttle accidents, Hindenburg and BOAC 781 have not been featured on Mayday so they will not be listed.

Original SFD run

Air France 4590: Mayday

Tenerife: Crash of the Century is the ultimate winner of them all though I admit that Captain van Zanten and First Officer Meurs were greatly mischaracterized; but between SFD and Disaster at Tenerife, the winner goes to SFD (had a decent exposition and went more in detail of the evacuation than in DaT. It doesn't portray Captain van Zanten as a bully, outlines how his time training pilots in the simulator versus flying in the real world played a major role in the crash, and that the KLM crew didn't hear two messages to wait and the Pan Am was still on the runway.)

American 77: Mayday

British Midland 092: Mayday (was pretty close but Mayday addressed the need for a stronger cabin floor, seats and overhead bins)

United 232: Tie

TWA 800: Mayday (hands down)

EL Al 1862: Mayday

ValuJet 592: Mayday

American 587: SFD (by a strand of hair)

Air Florida 90: Mayday

American 191: Mayday

Revival series and versus Mayday remakes

Uberlingen: SFD (I will admit however that Vitaly Kaloyev should NOT have interviewed for this)

Japan Air Lines 123: SFD (hands down. This is what the remake should have aimed for. Note: Patrick Smith who was interviewed for this, also appeared in the SFD Tenerife episode).

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u/Titan-828 — 14 hours ago

Tragic Coincidence - In 1996 the two aircraft pictured leaving JFK airport (F-BTSC and SU-GAP) would both crash 3-4 years later (SU-GAP with EgyptAir Flight 990 in 1999 and F-BTSC with Air France 4590 in 2000) killing all on board both.

u/Oodilia22 — 18 hours ago

My season 27 predictions

What we know/think:

Swissair 111 (Teaser Guess)

Nationwide Airlines 723 (Teaser Guess)

Pacific Western 501 (Teaser Guess)

Southwest Airlines flight 1248 (confirmed)

China Eastern Flight 5735 (confirmed)

My predictions

Pakistan International Airlines 8303 (not sure if they would do 2 accidents from the 2020s yet)

Aero México Connect 2431

Air Algerie 702P

Air Tahiti Flight 805

Suriname Airways Flight 764

Took me a solid 30 minutes to pick the last 3 LMAO

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If Yeti Airlines 691 was going to land on Runway 12, why didn’t the pilots fly the southern way?

Lots if people have mentioned that landing at Runway 12 is difficult due to its close proximity to the mountains, but look at all that empty space south of the airport

u/Dizzy-Marsupial5865 — 2 days ago

Another season27 Wishlist

1.Aroha airlines Flight 243(remake)
2.Japan airlines Flight 350
3.Korean Air Flight 858
4.Mandala Airlines Flight 091
5.Asiana Cargo Flight 991
6.TWA Flight 843
7.2024 Haneda Airport runway collision
8.1976 Zagreb mid-air collision
9.LOT Polish Airlines Flight 5055
10.Afriqiyah Airways Flight 771

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u/Ciipon_99 — 2 days ago

Worst UFIT ground impact of all time?

Basically, which would you say was the most brutal impact that any large aircraft like a widebody has ever had with the ground. This does not include suicides or mid-air breakup; the plane has to be uncontrollable when it strikes the ground and explodes.

One of my candidates would be the crash of TC-JAV Ankara, the DC-10-10 that was part of the Turkish Airlines Flight 981 disaster. It was travelling at almost 500 mph when it literally nosedived into the Ermenonville Forest and disintegrated upon impact with the ground, killing all 346 people aboard.

u/Minute_Ball_6539 — 3 days ago

Help me find this episode : the propeller angle changed to produce reverse thrust

Hey everyone! There's this one episode that I watched quite a while ago. Can't find it anymore, and I don't remember much details, apart from the fact that the cause was one-of-its-kind.

The plane was about to land, when for no reason, the propeller angle changed dramatically, causing a reverse thrust while in-flight. The plane crashed into trees.

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u/Intern_Lucifer — 3 days ago

I showed my parents some more plane crashes (both mayday and non mayday)

I guess in continuation from the last post I made about showing my parents a bunch of plane crashes (first one was Saudia 163), my parents (my dad in particular) had some thoughts to share on what they saw and now know about each flight

  1. British Airways flight 9 (speedbird 9 incident) from Mayday: obviously all of us were happy everybody survived this flight. Mom got a little jazzed up when she heard the flight took of from Malaysia since she is from there. Dad went straight to the point and said "if the pilots of saudia 163 were on this flight, the plane might as well have crashed into the ocean". They also found it intriguing what can happen if a plane flies through volcanic ash.

  2. South African Airways flight 295 from Disaster Breakdown: this one my parents found quite scary. Dad agreed with me that flying in the 80s is much riskier than doing it today especially given how common in flight fires use to be. He also found it quite amazing the routes SAA used to fly because of Apartheid, especially their flight from Tel Aviv. He said in quote "imagine how expensive tickets like that would've cost".

  3. Adam Air flight 574 from Disaster Breakdown: as soon as we finished the video, my dad told my mom "never book these low cost carriers again" haha. When we got to the part where they talked about how the pilots were not properly trained on certain systems, all of us found it shocking that an airlines would lower training standards like that. Furthermore, when they heard that up to 15 other airlines were blacklisted for cutting similar corners, it made my dad (and i) quite furious. In addition, my dad agreed it made sense why Indonesian airlines were banned from the EU for a period of time. And finally, the CVR was just genuinely disturbing especially toward the end and in the lead up to the pilots making errors.

  4. Iran Air flight 655 from Mayday: both my parents found this to be horrifying and terrible to have happened. My mom said herself that Iran's anger toward us is now understandable (frankly I agree with her in context of this incident). My dad found it absolutely outrageous how a modern US naval ship mistook a passenger plane for an enemy fighter jet and how they were operating in Iranian territory and not neutral waters. Given the cirumstances and the outcome of this incident, I think this one was the saddest of the ones we have seen thus far.

Once again, I know none of yall asked for this type of post & I do apologize for its length but once again I'm an aviation fanatic like a lot of yall and I figured I'd share more of it with my family and this is really just their thoughts on all these incidents. And with that being said I figured I'd share all this info with you guys. Hope you guys enjoyed reading!

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u/CommunicationNo6136 — 4 days ago

The ICAO report on Saudia 162, NOT 163 is now available

Saudia 162 Final Report.pdf

4 months and 3 days after Saudia 163 (HZ-AHK) burned on the taxiway at Riyadh Airport, on December 22, another incident aboard a Saudia L-1011 took place. HZ-AHJ, sister ship to HZ-AHK, was flying from Jeddah to Karachi (with a stopover in Dhahran). Onboard were 271 passengers and a crew of 20. The flight from Jeddah to Dhahran was completely routine and was completed without issues. After leaving Dhahran, SV162 was cleared to climb to FL330 or 33,000 feet. As it climbed through 29,000 ft, one of its main wheel tires failed, exploding and creating a hole in the fuselage and cabin floor. Debris of metal and tire rubber were flung through the cabin which injured several passengers. Two young passengers, a 14-year-old girl and a 1½-year-old boy, were killed when they were ejected through the hole in the cabin floor Their bodies were never found.

The explosion caused a loss of hydraulic fluid in systems A and B, the failure of the No. 2 engine power generator, and the detachment of the left main landing gear door. The flight crew manually deployed the oxygen masks, and Captain Zaghaba took control. An emergency descent was initiated with the decision to divert to Qatar's Doha International Airport. Bahrain Air Traffic Control handed control over to Doha, which cleared Flight 162 to land on runway 34. When the flap handle was set to 4°, the flaps did not extend, and the captain reported that he needed to constantly turn to the left, using the ailerons, to keep the aircraft in level flight on a stable heading. He elected to land with the flaps retracted, and jettisoned 16 tons of fuel to reduce the aircraft's weight.

Despite the damage, the landing gear extended normally and the aircraft made a successful landing at 02:48. Zaghaba taxied the aircraft to an apron, where he shut down engines 1 and 3. Doors L1 and L2 were opened, but the evacuation slides did not inflate due to the failed generator on engine 2. The flight engineer started the auxiliary power unit, but it could not be connected to the busbar. Airstairs were brought up to the aircraft and the occupants disembarked. Five passengers sustained minor injuries and were hospitalized...

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u/Quiet-Guarantee-9249 — 5 days ago