As mark twain said, history doesn't repeat but it sometimes rhymes

I can think of a few instances in aviation where there's been an aircraft / airline that has been involved in two or more accidents of similar natures, for instance

•The ATRs and icing

•The 737 rudder and MAX issues from Boeing

•DC-10 cargo doors and engine issues

•TWA Super Connie and United Douglas aircraft mid air collisions

•Tu-154s in China suffering from bad maintenance issues

•Spatial disorientation accidents involving the 737 / 747

I'm pretty sure there's alot more cases too, i'm interested in any particular outliers. Feel free to let me know!

The Tenerife Disaster is one of the most terrifying examples of how a disaster can happen

I just watched “The Worst Crash That Ever Happened - Tenerife Disaster” by Wyngx, and this is one of those documentaries that stays in your head long after it ends.

The Tenerife airport disaster of 1977 remains the deadliest accident in aviation history. Two Boeing 747s ended up on the same runway, and what followed was a chain of misunderstandings, timing, visibility problems, communication issues, and decisions that turned an already chaotic situation into a catastrophe.

What makes the story so disturbing isn't simply the scale of the crash.

It's the fact that so many individual things had to go wrong for it to happen.

A different communication.
A few seconds of extra caution.
Better visibility.
One person questioning what was happening.

Any one of those things might have changed the outcome.

And that's what I found most fascinating about this documentary. It doesn't just present the disaster as “two planes collided.” It shows how ordinary human mistakes and a rapidly developing situation can combine into something unimaginable.

If you're into aviation disasters, historical documentaries, or investigations into how catastrophic events actually unfold, this one is worth watching.

YouTube: Wyngx — The Worst Crash That Ever Happened - Tenerife Disaster

What do you think is the biggest lesson from the Tenerife disaster: communication, human error, cockpit authority, or the way multiple small mistakes can compound into one massive disaster?

>"A scene of devastation, in a remote region of Venezuela, confirms the fate of a missing passenger jet."

August 16th, 2005, At Tocumen International Airport in Panama, West Carribean Airways flight 708 begins boarding, two hours behind schedule. Flight 708 took off from Tocumen International Airport at 00:58 local time (05:58 UTC). It climbed initially to flight level 310 (31,000 feet or 9,400 metres). At 01:39, the pilots were cleared to climb from 31,000 to 33,000 feet. The aircraft reached FL 330 (nominally 33,000 feet or 10,000 metres) at 01:44. Five minutes later, the crew turned the aircraft's anti-icing systems back on (having turned them off during the final part of the climb). The system uses bleed air from the engines, and this reduces the thrust they can produce. With the anti-ice system on, the highest altitude at which the aircraft could maintain level flight was reduced to 31,900 ft (9,700 m). The aircraft was being flown too high for its weight and the icing conditions it faced. The captain noticed the reduction in engine output, but he did not realize the source of the problem, so he started a rapid descent as a precaution. At that time, the airspeed was already near stall speed, and the autopilot had already compensated with a nose-up attitude (angle of attack, or AOA) of 5.8° in an effort to maintain a constant altitude. West Caribbean, like all owners of the MD-82, had received an operation bulletin from the plane's manufacturer three years earlier, warning that the autopilot could try to compensate for inadequate speed, even allowing the speed to continue to drop towards a stall situation, without sending a warning or disconnecting; the bulletin advised pilots simply to monitor airspeed during autopilot level flight, but West Caribbean had not shared this bulletin with its pilots. Already approaching a stall condition, the airliner was pummeled by sudden turbulence, reducing the airflow into the intakes of the engines, which reduced thrust even more and the aircraft stalled. Although the first officer correctly diagnosed the situation as a stall and attempted twice to communicate this to the captain, the captain was likely confused by the unusual behavior of the engines due to the anti-ice system and probably the airflow disruption. The captain instead believed they were dealing with an engine flameout and told the first officer to communicate to the ground controller, therefore did not recognize the stall situation. The stall was further exacerbated when the captain increased the nose-up attitude to an AOA of 10.6°, which compounded the drop in airflow to the engines. In less than three minutes, the aircraft plunged from over 33,000 ft (10,000 m), reaching a maximum rate of descent of over 18,000 fpm, or 300 ft/s (90 m/s), crashing belly-first and exploding at 2:00:31 local time (07:00:31 UTC). The crash site was in a field on a cattle ranch near Machiques, in the western Zulia State, Venezuela (about 30 kilometres or 19 miles or 16 nautical miles from the Colombian border).

I just finished watching the first episode of this new Netflix miniseries. And there are some quite curious and frustrating things that caught my attention:

• They mention that the 'DFDR has been found'. A B747-100 does not have a digital Flight Data Recorder.
• The 'Black Box' is retrieved from the cockpit wreckage, when in reality they are located in the tail/empennage. Also, they talk about the 'Black Box' in singular, instead of both Black Boxes; FDR & CVR.
• When they listen to the CVR tape, which is curious in itself that the AAIB lets regular policy listen to this so early in the investigation, the transcript of the ATC communication from Flight 103 is pure nonsense and very unrealistic.
• Where is the character of AAIB Lead Investigator Mick Charles in all of this?
• Where is the NTSB in all of this? Why the focus on the FBI Explosives expert being sent as the only envoy/liaison?
• The ICAO Annex 13 air accident investigation protocol is clearly not being followed in this show, which is puzzling for realism and accuracy sake.

Does it get better or worse for the episodes beyond the first one? Thanks!

With the not so recent release of the Voepass accident report, which explained the normalization of deviance in the airline, what other airlines flew with such bad practices that got themselves into accidents?

Like Adam Air, Valujet, Nationair, Sriwijaya Air, TAESA, etc....

1. Avianca Flight 11 & Flight 410

2. Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571

3. Mexicana Flight 940

4. Kenya Airways Flight 431

5. Indian Airlines Flight 605

6. Air Canada Flight 621

7. 1976 Zagreb Mid-Air Collision

8. Green Ramp Disaster

9. FedEx Express Flight 1478

10. Western Airlines Flight 2605

11. Remake of Air Transat Flight 236

12. 1977 Dan Air Boeing 707 Crash

13. Paradise Airlines Flight 901A

14. Air New Zealand Flight 901

15. Dan Air Flight 1008

16. Lion Air Flight 538

now that aeroflot 1492 has made it onto the show, what other russian aircraft accidents or incidents do you think could possibly make it into an episode in future seasons?