Just found out old ardent censer from classic fucking buffs minion's attack speed when healing them with Alistar. I knew by the text but wouldnt believe it until buying it and actually seeing with my eyes. It doesnt seem super strong but its sure fun. LOL
Hi everyone,
I'm back to playing League Classic after more than a decade away. I was an Alistar main from 2012 to 2014 (when I originally stopped playing), and back then, I never had problems landing his W + Q combo—even before season 1 playing with over 150ms ping from South America to NA. However, after 60+ games with him in League Classic, a few things feel different.
Specifically, the target's movement speed seems to matter a lot more for the W + Q combo now, and I don't remember it being like this in 2014. If you are slower than a target that is running away from you, using your W at the very limit of its range pushes them completely out of your Q range, and the combo fails. If you are faster, it compensates for the speed difference and the combo lands.
At first, I thought I was just rusty, but then I saw top players missing it in show matches and streams. I looked for answers online, but unfortunately, this subreddit hasn't been much help since most replies are just "skill issue." I did find posts from 2013–2015 saying the best way to execute it is pressing W and then holding Q (which I agree with), but I've also tested mashing Q and timing Q after W. Nothing works if the target is simply too fast.
I also noticed that if the target is slowed by any source, the combo is basically guaranteed—which makes me wonder if Rylai's Crystal Scepter could act as a workaround. Anyway, I wanted to post here to see if you could refresh my memory. Did the target's movement speed always influence how fast they fly away from your Q, or did this not matter in the past? It feels weird because I never used to have trouble with it.
TL;DR: The target's movement speed heavily influences the W + Q combo. If the target has Boots of Swiftness, you don't, and they are at the absolute limit of your W range, you just cannot combo them. Is this how it is supposed to work? Let me know.
Hello,
im currently swapping to support so im also starting to learn alistar.
My progress involves checking data by pros/otps and data sites.
Now apparently people like to max Q>W>E.
So after reading alistars lolwiki i dont really understand this choice
Q;W are lowkey the same when it comes to putting skill points into it. The mana goes up from 50 to 70 mana, the cd down from 14 to 10 secs, and the dmg goes up.
In my understanding, Alistar Q without W is kinda useless since youd then only get to either gap close by flashing, or walking in their face. Meaning having Q up but not W will be very often useless since i wont be reliable able to use my Q anyways, while i can always use my w (for example to peel) even if i dont have q (to combo).
Addintionally the dmg goes actually way higher by maxing W than Q so in a combo, you will deal more dmg if you max W.
You could think that people max Q first because in a full combo you can Q/W/E stun into Q again for longer cc chain but i dont think that adds up since on Q/W the target will be stunned 1 sec, E will proc if used in that combo 1,5 secs later and stuns additional 1 sec. So in total you will combo, stun 1 sec, 1,5 secs later stun 1 sec, which would be a total time of 3,5 secs, so 6,5 secs short of either Q or W so you wont be able to use it in a combo anyways and even if you do through Ability Haste and delaying your E Stun (up to 6 secs), you could still also use W into a wall or as an insec, since W also stuns for 0,75 sec without using Q.
Im not an alistar main so maybe i dont understand a really important part of his gameplay etc. so would be cool if someone could explain this to me.
Some friends and me are working on a Moba Simulator (like a football manager) and we are collecting data about the champs. Do you think that this list is realistic?
