r1 kusakabe has his normal sword

r2 kusakabe has tanjiro's sword

who wins?

Based off direct scaling to canonical heavy hitters (Yuta, Hakari, Maki, Yuji):

1. Hajime Kashimo (base)

2. Toji Fushiguro

3. Ryu Ishigori

Base Hakari is a heavy hitter (and was the strongest heavy hitter during the culling games arc). Base Kashimo is much stronger than base Hakari and is low end relative to jackpot Hakari (just because Hakari briefly overpowered him doesn't show a lack of relativity. Both still have similar physicals)

Yuta is narratively relative to base Hakari (plus both had the same reaction to Gojos blue amped punch) and jackpot Hakari is stronger than Yuta. Ryu was relative to culling games Yuta, plus he might outscale Toji, Kashimo and Yuta in durability but I think toji and Kashimo outstat him in every other area.

Toji and Maki are directly stated to have equal physicals. Plus I think Maki in CG had better raw strength than Yuta. I don't think Yuji became a heavy hitter until Shinjuku, but even if he did, he'd be a low tier heavy hitter (Yuji loses to Megumi at every point in the story except Eos)

Base Kashimo>Toji>Ryu

I know that the heavy hitters grew stronger in shinjuku, but it would be a small physical stats increase at best, plus Hakaris is unquantifiable due to his fight with Uraume being offscreened.

If character has no description text then its on their peak (Megumi is EOS),idk If i should post this on normal jjps

Is Mahoraga 3F lvl or this statement is wrong? Cuz a part of me tells me it might not be THAT wrong.

Kenjaku's swarms of curses were stated to "almost entirely" destroy the 23 special wards of Japan. The 23 of them together would cover a total area of 627 km².

Uzumaki is, essentially, the combination of the Cursed Spirits he absorbed and turned in a super condensed CE attack.

In other words, if the curses swarms can destroy everything in an area of 627 km², an Uzumaki condensing them should be able to destroy it the same surface.

Even arguing it wouldn't destroy the same area since the destruction of the curses wasn't automatic, it's still crazy strong. Assuming it would destroy half of that surface, that would mean Kenjaku's 10M CS can destroy everything in a diameter of almost 20 km.

This is ignoring the fact it's probable that those 10M curses didn't contain the Special Grade Curses Kenjaku has access to, what would strengthen Uzumaki even further.

Some time ago(More specifically 3 weeks ago) I made a post saying both of them were relative speed-wise. And I must say my opinion has changed:

- Sukuna deflects Yuta's slash.

[Image 1]

- Sukuna reacts to his stab attempt even while using Rika as a "smoke-screen".

[Image 2-3]

- The punch Yuta manages to land is to a Sukuna whose eyes are shown focused on Rika advancing towards him. In the same panel he dodges a slash from Yuta at close distance.

[Image 3-4]

- Sukuna blocks both Yuta and Rika effortlessly.

[Image 5]

- Sukuna reacts to both Yuji being thrown by Rika and DE amped Yuta hiding with SM to sneak-attack him, only having two arms aviable due to using HWB.

[Image 6-7]

- Deflects multiple slashes from DE amped Yuta using a single arm.

[Image 8]

- The sword-strike Yuta managed to land was thanks to Sukuna being focused on Yuji and Rika. The next one is Sukuna being "caught off-guard" by Yuta using Clairvoyance.

[Image 9-10]

- Reacts again to DE amped Yuta sneak-attacking him with SM again.

[Image 11]

Let's go with MBA's fight:

- Kashimo exchanges blows with a Sukuna who can use his four arms, blocking 2 blows from him with his hand and knee.

[Image 12]

- Sukuna uses Kamutoke to stun him and sneak-attack him. And even then, Kashimo manages to create an attack on his palm, turning around and almost counter-attacking Sukuna's sneak-attack, failing cuz his arms were grabbed.

[Image 13-14]

It's also stated by Sukuna in Image 8 that he was being weakened by Yuji's blows even while blocking.

To sum it up:

MBA Kashimo ~ 238 Sukuna using many arms > 250 Sukuna using many arms > 250 Sukuna using one arm > DE amped Yuta > Base Yuta

This would mean MBA Kashimo is faster by a wide margin(Blitz gap) than Shinjuku Yuta.

many people say gojo cant do it at will or easily. but based on evidence the conditions seem very easy

with riko we see he can do it with near effortlessly without that much handsigning(just pointed his hand)

with sukuna he can do it extremely quickly in combat

with yuji he can do it over very long distances and multiple times in a row(go there and come back)

i only point this out to say that the arguments about gojo not teleporting out of sukuna's domain are stupid af. gojo willingly engaged in clashes with sukuna because he could match sukuna's domain and burning out both domains was a positive for him, considering the fact that it eliminated one of sukuna's best methods to hit gojo through infinity.

we know that teleporting out of sukuna's domain was possible, or at least sukuna thought that it was, because he planned to close his barrier after gojo lost his domain to trap him. this feels like it should be obvious but ive seen people argue that gojo's teleportation is unusable in combat so whatever

Before you ask or comment: No, this won't be a direct discussion about Jogoat VS JJH. I actually have a question that came to my mind after analyzing some stuff, and I'd want to clear my doubts before I become crazy.

Jogo Scaling

Gege states he was the only one capable of taking on Sukuna, being no one else to accomplishing that task. He also adds that the reason why he gave Sukuna 10 more fingers was to not extend the arc any further, which complements the declarations of Jogo being capable of facing him.

This would put Shibuya Jogo ~ 5F Yujikuna. It'd also mean he'd be above anyone else that waa in Shibuya in that moment, what includes Toji(I'll elaborate on this on a moment).

"Is this statement consistent?"

Yes. Gojo, after seeing Jogo, states than "He's probably stronger than the current Sukuna(3F)". Jogo has already train with Kenjaku when Shibuya happened, meaning him being decently above his early version is logical.

About Toji, he is stated to rival Heartless 3F Yujikuna's speed, and there are more arguments for Sukuna holding back than Toji. In other words, 3F Yujikuna would be faster than Toji(And Maki).

Basically: Jogo ~ 5F Yujikuna > 3F Yujikuna > Toji(The gap between Sukuna and him might be even larger).

To sum it up, Jogo being ~5F is consistent.

"Then what is the problem?"

It is already a "problem" that Jogo massively gaps a HH lvl character(Toji). But trust me, if this was my "problem", I would have named this post "Why Jogo > HRs".

The real "problem" comes with the Sukuna that fought during most of the Riad. To understand this, we must compare 238-249 Sukuna with 5F Yujikuna.

Comparision

> CE Reserves.

This is simple. Sukuna states that his reserves matches Yuta's, meaning he had less than half of his original amount. I'll suppose he had 9F reserves, since he should have reserves lower than 10(Half) but higher than almost 7(Third). 5F Yujikuna obviously has less CE.

> CE Output.

This also simple, but the other way around. 5F Yujikuna had his CE Output at 100%, while 238-249 Sukuna, in his own words, still has LOW OUTPUT due to his fight with Gojo. How much it fell? We don't know, but it is implied to be a big number. Let's be very generous and say he had 50% of his normal Output, but it should be less than that. And to make it worse, he was being weakened by many factors during the rest of the Raid(Except in 264-266, where I consider he recovered his Output thanks to BFs, but it's kinda irrelevant to this post's aim so lets continue)

> Body to reinforce.

Easy to answer. Heiankuna has a strong body, but has no superhuman narrative or feats. On the other hand, Yuji's body is... Yuji. No need to elaborate.

> Arsenal

Kamutoke + 4 arms VS DE that can be used many times + RCT at full potency + Stronger dismantles + Higher stats. 5F Yujikuna clears.

End of comparision

It should be evident, at least based on my analysis, that 5F Yujikuna > 238-249 Heiankuna, meaning Jogo would probably beat him too. You might see the "problem" I mentioned before.

238-249 Heiankuna is the same one that killed Kashimo. It's the same one that penetrated Choso like nothing. It's the same one that defeated Yuta and PA Yuji at the same time while most of the time playing with them and inside Yuta's DE.

Now, it's because of this that I have the feeling that I am missing sth very important, cuz my mind can't concieve Jogo Mid-Diffing MBA Kashimo or Shinjuku Yuta, but that is the conclusion I reached.

What am I missing? Did I got sth wrong? Please, help me to solve this doubts I have.

(Maki eats kids is the thing i hear them say)

His main two are losing extreme diff to hakari, and beating up a 95% dead lobotimized sukuna, then dying to a hand powerd distmantle ( kusakabe tanked it). His only feats are riding off of hakari yet because he’s cocky and cool looking and one of the “strongest in history” (he comes from one of the weakest eras). Hakari aint even too strong, his main thing is that he can stall for awhile.

Kusakabe victim (extreme diff)

In their encounter during the Heian era, Yorozu recieved a Dismantle from a 20F Sukuna. Even though she evidently took damage and fell to the ground, she was still conscious and was "savoring" the slash rather than "feeling pain", and you can also argue she wasn't properly reinforced. She also survived it so, pretty impressive.

I'd like to add that it's extremely probable he didn't hold back in that Dismantle, since he was annoyed by Yorozu trying to teach him about love, and Sukuna is someone who kills those he considers/sees as a nuisance.

"It was a Dismantle without handsigns"

I agree with this, since it isn't shown he used them. However, this is still a full power 20F Sukuna. A Heavy Hitter like Yuta, while DE amped, still takes damage and is pushed by a DE nerfed low Output brain damage 9-10F Sukuna. Yes, Sukuna used handsigns in those dismantles, but the power gap between 219 Heiankuna and 250 TFkuna is some massive it's funny, and I heavily doubt a handsign amps THAT MUCH an attack. Yuta being "shown" with less damage from the cuts can easily be argued due to using RCT.

In other words, Base Yorozu's Durability should be considerable above DE amped SS Yuta, which means she is superior to HHs in toughness, though you can make an argument for EoS Yuji(Not Modulo) to surpass her in her Base form.

as we all know, speed doesnt mean anything if your battle iq is on par with cw flash

i made this in like 30 mins

Lwk didn't include many modulo characters because their scaling is just inconsistent smh .

*Maki and toji are equal so they share a spot .

*Uraume and hakari same case because they are very relative

*Only canonical versions that we got some info Abt so no "prime Yuta" .

*Narratives above feats are how this tier list is constructed.

*I use PV as canonical sources too as who post them was never contradicted by gege but even without them it doesn't really change anything