I'm asking this cuz I've seen people argue only their defenses were amped, their other stats staying the same.
And the pages were I read JJK in spanish/english also vary, one saying they had an overall increase and the other one mientioning just a toughness buff.
Is Mahoraga 3F lvl or this statement is wrong? Cuz a part of me tells me it might not be THAT wrong.
Kenjaku's swarms of curses were stated to "almost entirely" destroy the 23 special wards of Japan. The 23 of them together would cover a total area of 627 km².
Uzumaki is, essentially, the combination of the Cursed Spirits he absorbed and turned in a super condensed CE attack.
In other words, if the curses swarms can destroy everything in an area of 627 km², an Uzumaki condensing them should be able to destroy it the same surface.
Even arguing it wouldn't destroy the same area since the destruction of the curses wasn't automatic, it's still crazy strong. Assuming it would destroy half of that surface, that would mean Kenjaku's 10M CS can destroy everything in a diameter of almost 20 km.
This is ignoring the fact it's probable that those 10M curses didn't contain the Special Grade Curses Kenjaku has access to, what would strengthen Uzumaki even further.
Before you ask or comment: No, this won't be a direct discussion about Jogoat VS JJH. I actually have a question that came to my mind after analyzing some stuff, and I'd want to clear my doubts before I become crazy.
Gege states he was the only one capable of taking on Sukuna, being no one else to accomplishing that task. He also adds that the reason why he gave Sukuna 10 more fingers was to not extend the arc any further, which complements the declarations of Jogo being capable of facing him.
This would put Shibuya Jogo ~ 5F Yujikuna. It'd also mean he'd be above anyone else that waa in Shibuya in that moment, what includes Toji(I'll elaborate on this on a moment).
Yes. Gojo, after seeing Jogo, states than "He's probably stronger than the current Sukuna(3F)". Jogo has already train with Kenjaku when Shibuya happened, meaning him being decently above his early version is logical.
About Toji, he is stated to rival Heartless 3F Yujikuna's speed, and there are more arguments for Sukuna holding back than Toji. In other words, 3F Yujikuna would be faster than Toji(And Maki).
Basically: Jogo ~ 5F Yujikuna > 3F Yujikuna > Toji(The gap between Sukuna and him might be even larger).
To sum it up, Jogo being ~5F is consistent.
It is already a "problem" that Jogo massively gaps a HH lvl character(Toji). But trust me, if this was my "problem", I would have named this post "Why Jogo > HRs".
The real "problem" comes with the Sukuna that fought during most of the Riad. To understand this, we must compare 238-249 Sukuna with 5F Yujikuna.
> CE Reserves.
This is simple. Sukuna states that his reserves matches Yuta's, meaning he had less than half of his original amount. I'll suppose he had 9F reserves, since he should have reserves lower than 10(Half) but higher than almost 7(Third). 5F Yujikuna obviously has less CE.
> CE Output.
This also simple, but the other way around. 5F Yujikuna had his CE Output at 100%, while 238-249 Sukuna, in his own words, still has LOW OUTPUT due to his fight with Gojo. How much it fell? We don't know, but it is implied to be a big number. Let's be very generous and say he had 50% of his normal Output, but it should be less than that. And to make it worse, he was being weakened by many factors during the rest of the Raid(Except in 264-266, where I consider he recovered his Output thanks to BFs, but it's kinda irrelevant to this post's aim so lets continue)
> Body to reinforce.
Easy to answer. Heiankuna has a strong body, but has no superhuman narrative or feats. On the other hand, Yuji's body is... Yuji. No need to elaborate.
> Arsenal
Kamutoke + 4 arms VS DE that can be used many times + RCT at full potency + Stronger dismantles + Higher stats. 5F Yujikuna clears.
It should be evident, at least based on my analysis, that 5F Yujikuna > 238-249 Heiankuna, meaning Jogo would probably beat him too. You might see the "problem" I mentioned before.
238-249 Heiankuna is the same one that killed Kashimo. It's the same one that penetrated Choso like nothing. It's the same one that defeated Yuta and PA Yuji at the same time while most of the time playing with them and inside Yuta's DE.
Now, it's because of this that I have the feeling that I am missing sth very important, cuz my mind can't concieve Jogo Mid-Diffing MBA Kashimo or Shinjuku Yuta, but that is the conclusion I reached.
What am I missing? Did I got sth wrong? Please, help me to solve this doubts I have.
Some time ago(More specifically 3 weeks ago) I made a post saying both of them were relative speed-wise. And I must say my opinion has changed:
- Sukuna deflects Yuta's slash.
[Image 1]
- Sukuna reacts to his stab attempt even while using Rika as a "smoke-screen".
[Image 2-3]
- The punch Yuta manages to land is to a Sukuna whose eyes are shown focused on Rika advancing towards him. In the same panel he dodges a slash from Yuta at close distance.
[Image 3-4]
- Sukuna blocks both Yuta and Rika effortlessly.
[Image 5]
- Sukuna reacts to both Yuji being thrown by Rika and DE amped Yuta hiding with SM to sneak-attack him, only having two arms aviable due to using HWB.
[Image 6-7]
- Deflects multiple slashes from DE amped Yuta using a single arm.
[Image 8]
- The sword-strike Yuta managed to land was thanks to Sukuna being focused on Yuji and Rika. The next one is Sukuna being "caught off-guard" by Yuta using Clairvoyance.
[Image 9-10]
- Reacts again to DE amped Yuta sneak-attacking him with SM again.
[Image 11]
Let's go with MBA's fight:
- Kashimo exchanges blows with a Sukuna who can use his four arms, blocking 2 blows from him with his hand and knee.
[Image 12]
- Sukuna uses Kamutoke to stun him and sneak-attack him. And even then, Kashimo manages to create an attack on his palm, turning around and almost counter-attacking Sukuna's sneak-attack, failing cuz his arms were grabbed.
[Image 13-14]
It's also stated by Sukuna in Image 8 that he was being weakened by Yuji's blows even while blocking.
To sum it up:
MBA Kashimo ~ 238 Sukuna using many arms > 250 Sukuna using many arms > 250 Sukuna using one arm > DE amped Yuta > Base Yuta
This would mean MBA Kashimo is faster by a wide margin(Blitz gap) than Shinjuku Yuta.
In their encounter during the Heian era, Yorozu recieved a Dismantle from a 20F Sukuna. Even though she evidently took damage and fell to the ground, she was still conscious and was "savoring" the slash rather than "feeling pain", and you can also argue she wasn't properly reinforced. She also survived it so, pretty impressive.
I'd like to add that it's extremely probable he didn't hold back in that Dismantle, since he was annoyed by Yorozu trying to teach him about love, and Sukuna is someone who kills those he considers/sees as a nuisance.
"It was a Dismantle without handsigns"
I agree with this, since it isn't shown he used them. However, this is still a full power 20F Sukuna. A Heavy Hitter like Yuta, while DE amped, still takes damage and is pushed by a DE nerfed low Output brain damage 9-10F Sukuna. Yes, Sukuna used handsigns in those dismantles, but the power gap between 219 Heiankuna and 250 TFkuna is some massive it's funny, and I heavily doubt a handsign amps THAT MUCH an attack. Yuta being "shown" with less damage from the cuts can easily be argued due to using RCT.
In other words, Base Yorozu's Durability should be considerable above DE amped SS Yuta, which means she is superior to HHs in toughness, though you can make an argument for EoS Yuji(Not Modulo) to surpass her in her Base form.
As I see it, he either took it almost completely or manage to escape from a big part of it. Which would still be an upscale for Megumi, but for his Reaction Speed.
I always find it difficult to compare her Durability to High Tiers of JJK. So, if you have a way to scale her toughness to, for example, Heavy Hitters, it'd help a lot. If you also have a crossverse Dura scaling(City Block, Town, City, etc), it's also very welcome.
[Image 1 and 2]: Due to his CE trait, his CE started to being drained by the saltwater of the ocean. Even though he managed to suppress it, he spent some time using it inside the ocean.
[Image 3, 4 and 5]: Even while being weakened due to the CE he lost, ending up with no CE after the explosion, Kashimo survived it. This is very important, cuz it's stated by both Kashimo and Hakari himself the gambler would have died of he hadn't sacrifice his arm to reinforce the rest of his body. In other words, a weakened Kashimo is more durable than Basekari.
[Image 6]: Both Basekari and Yuta(Prob both of them in ther "CG versions") had the same reaction from a Blue-Amped punch from Gojo, which would imply that both of them are relative dura-wise.
In other words, Kashimo would be more durable than Sendai Yuta by a wide margin, meaning he'd be able to pull off every Dura-feat Yuta did in Sendai with way less damage.
Wouldn't he be resistant to toxins like Yuji as he had Sukuna inside him? Or am I misunderstanding sth?
As the image shows, the distance between Iwate(Where Kenjaku was) and Shinjuku ia 525 km, or 525000.
Assuming he took 5 minutes to get to Shinjuku after killing Kenny, he would be moving at Mach 5.
This can be consistent seeing calcs of Kenny casually dodging PB(Mach 4.6) and Maki dodging Naoya(Almost Mach 6) while not fully recovered.
Opinions?
[Image 1]: Kashimo exchanges blows with Sukuna. While he reacts to Sukuna's attacks, he doesn't manage to land a blow.
[Image 2-3]: Kashimo gets stunned by Kamutoke and still manages to turn around and almost react to Sukuna moving behind him.
[Image 4]: Sukuna's arm and Yuta's katana seemingly clash at the same time.
[Image 5-6]: Yuta "hides" behind PM Rika to attack Sukuna, failing to land the stab.
[Image 7]: Yuta hits Sukuna in the stomach after he throws Rika, then trying to cut Sukuna, failing cuz he gets dodged.
[Image 8]: Sukuna intercepts Yuta again.
[Image 9]: He was 2v1 Sukuna, but this Sukuna is stronger than 238 Sukuna cuz his RCT was returning(Meaning his Output was increasing).
[Image 10-11]: Sukuna's strength varies according to his interest, having relative interest in both of them.
Conclusion: MBA Kashimo and Shinjuku Yuta show similar feats against the "same Sukuna". I have Kashimo being faster than Yuta, but the gap is small, far from being a blitz difference.
[Image 1-2]: Closes a considerable distance in the same time Kenny lowers his head.
[Image 3]: Show somewhat relativity to Kenjaku momentarily while massively injured(What lowers your output/stats a lot).
[Image 4]: Tags Kenjaku, hitting him while he was not able to block or dodge(Yes, Kenny is nerfed due to DE + RCT, but Yuki is also weakened since she fought for a good time with massive internal damage + RCT. Though, she might be less nerfed).
[Image 5-6]: Reacts to a point-blank + off-guard Uzumaki.
This should mean that Kenny ~ Yuki in C/R Speed.
[Image 7]: After noticing Yuta's presence, he turns around and almost activates AGS in the same time Yuta swinged his sword. This means Yuta >= 243 Kenjaku.
[Image 8]: 243 Kenny is weakened due to his fight with Takaba.
Then: Yuki ~ Kenjaku ~ Shinjuku Yuta.
[Image 9]: Todo states that "Without my support, even Okkotsu would have a very low chance of pulling off the surprise attack" to Maki, implying Yuta is faster than her.
In conclusion: Yuki ~ Kenjaku ~ Yuta > Maki in terms of Combat Speed(I'd say Maki has better Reaction Speed because of her precognition).
This is my first post here, so I hope you like it.
I've seen people saying that Yuta Domain-Diffs Yuji, that his DE refinement is bad, and I think that's not true. There's, actually, a way to compare both of them. This is due to Sukuna using HBW against both of them, so there's a way to determine who has a better refinement.
I will separate the differences between 249-251 Sukuna and 264-266 Sukuna:
1. Damage taken.
2. Time spent inside the DE maintaning HWB.
3. Sukuna's Output.
4. Yuta/Yuji condition.
[Photo 1-2]: A lot of blows from Yuji(I counted 10 blows, could be more due to the flurry of blows being illustrative to show many strikes), Rika(4 punches and her grabbing Sukuna to throw him to Yuji) and Yuta(3 "physical" hits).
[Photo 3]: Many attacks from Yuta's CTs(2 TIB, 1 Cleave and 2 cuts from Dhruv's Shikigamis).
In total, we're talking about 22 attacks recieved at the very least, since I'm counting the amount of strikes shown in Yuji's flurries of blows.
This is simple. Sukuna holded HWB signs for 4/18 pages of Chapter 249, the entire Chapter 250 and 5/18 pages of Chapter 251. Basically, an entire chapter and a half.
This is also easy.
[Photo 4]: Sukuna's output was low, shown with the fact that his RCT was so weakened he took an entire chapter just to heal one hand.
[Photo 5]: During Yuji's DE, Sukuna seemingly recieved 8 punches from Yuji.
He maintained HWB for Chapter 266, when he stated it was going to be shattered by Yuji. [Photo 6]
Sukuna's Output was way higher.
[Photo 7]: Not only was it stated he recovered his RCT, but healed 2 arms, a hole in his chest and burns through all his body instantly, showing the RCT Output between both versions of Sukuna, meaning his HWB would be stronger due to way superior Output.
[Photo 8]: In Chapter 267, Sukuna mentions Yuji hadn't healed for a long time, having also expended a lot of CE in his first DE, having surpasses his limit and being on the ropes.
And guess what?
It's nowhere stated in 249-251 that Sukuna's HWB was about to collapse. While in 266 Sukuna mentioned Yuji was about to shatter his HWB.
Basically, Yuji's DE did more damage to a stronger HWB in less time, landing less attacks and while having gone beyond his limits.
[Photo 9-10]: And we know that the time a HWB or SD can endure in a DE until they collapse depends of the DE refinement.
Now, we have to adress the elephant in the room: Megumi's "awakening". [Photo 11]
We can say this helped Yuji for HWB to be about to collapse, which I agree. However, Yuta had 4 advantages over Yuji, while he had only that one against Yuta. And even so Yuji's DE put more pressure in Sukuna's HWB.
At the very least, we can say both DE's would clash evenly. In my personal opinion, Yuji might even have a more refined DE due to all what I've said.
What do you think?