Scary stuff
Is there an unanswered question or something that isn't satisfying you to keep you believing that there is still a mystery to solve?
Hey team!
So I was doing some investigating in CodeWalker of areas of the map not usually accessible in Single Player and a couple of things stood out to me. Nothing super exciting but I'm interested in your thoughts on and if it stirs any other ideas with you. Apologies if these have come up before - I tried searching but couldn't find anything...
Merryweather Dock: Daily Globe - Plans for deadly nuke plant
In the control room of the Merryweather dock is a Daily Globe prop with the headline My exploding hooters ruined our honeymoon, but more interestingly the byline Plans for deadly nuke plant.
Why I think this might be important: This Daily Globe prop doesn't seem as common as the one with the Aliens ate my giant pussy headline, nor the folded up prop.
This headline could be what the Globe symbol on the Red DDM is relating to and gives us a link between the Globe symbol and the nuclear symbol on the DDM. It also gives a potential link to the Cliffford dots on the Red DDM as we know Cliffford controls the Chiliad Launch Facility.
The only tenuous link I've come up for regarding the Red DDM previously is the atom -> nuclear symbol, potentially relating to the Up 'n' Atom and radioactive rocket next to it, but this feels like a stronger link to me?
What I think this could mean: Possibly the Red DDM EE is Online and related to the Doomsday Heist mission and some kind of secret ending? I know others have suggested this in the past.
Or that it might somehow (???) be possible to access the Launch Facility in Single Player?
Lester's House - Zombie Outbreaks Storage Box
On the shelf in Lester's room is a red storage box labelled 'ZOMBIE OUTBREAKS'.
Why I think this is important: This might not seem like much at first glance until you consider there is a GREEN storage box in Lester's labelled BIGFOOT
What I think this could mean: A common point here is that there can't be anything left hiding in game because data miners would have found it. I tend to agree with that but think hiding some code that reuses assets and other function / routines in the code would be much easier to hide / obfuscate.
What if there is a single player zombie scenario? It could reuse Graham's model and Trevor's rampages? I.e. the only thing R* would have to hide is a rampage trigger that spawns Graham's?
Lester's House - Oscilloscopes
On the same shelf as the red storage box are two oscilloscopes.
Why I think this is important: One has a low frequency sine wave, similar to that on the Red DDM. The other has a high frequency sine wave, similar to that on the Yellow DDM.
I also remember reading before somebody here suggest that the Red DDM 'sound clue' could also be heard at Lester's house? Another link between Red DDM and Lester?
What I think this could mean: I'm not sure how Lester could possibly be involved in any DDM related Easter Eggs, so perhaps this is just a nudge to look for other clues in Lester's house to find the next step?
EDIT: The thing that jumped out at me was the low frequency oscilloscope is on the same shelf as the red storage box, which is a strange coincidence...
And made me wonder if we should be looking at the things on the shelf with the high frequency oscilloscope in relation to the yellow mural? Such as the signal scrambler (lots of signal / transmission references on yellow DDM)..
Things that bug me most about the Red DDM:
random, short and sweet.. could it be possible that the chiliad eye/ ufo symbol is actually neither, but instead a birds eye view of something, like the lighthouse for example, has that been theorised before?
On and Off the hunt for a decade, I tried lots of random stuff and speculated about nonsense, then over the years codewalkers dug up cut content and DLCs added some, and it felt like some kind of meta-feedback loop pattern. From then, the ride has been even more enjoyable.
I've flaired this as Speculation, because my Tract interpretation isn't finished so it's not like a full fledged theory I could test, although Im fairly certain about the meta aspect and what's up with Faber, even though Im not even done with his missions.
Anyway my favorite 2 pet theories on the mystery that still remain are:
Im currently attempting to make sense of the Tract again, because if "we have consistently gotten things backwards" then it means we should have more and more clues to understand, as we get closer to the "end", meaning V is old now and VI is to be out "soon".
And this got me thinking about the last big DLC to come, and here's my guess:
Mr Faber will be the final antagonist of Online. He is the unknown CEO of Minotaur, operating from Maze Bank tower and his first name is something like Gerhard.
Maybe he's an alien in disguise, maybe he loves art and launders some money through what's exposed in Kortz Center, but there's definitely something real fishy about introducing such a key character so late.(He's key to me because he ties every other key guy together through his role as finance guy)
Your Online avatar is NOT a client of his, as we saw, and the final chapter will have us take him down and/or replace him. Whatever then happens to Maze tower, but the Mile High Club will finally get done, and by 2027 Online will feature some characters from VI musical industry to be hired in our Nightclub. Most likely, Online will eventually feature VI's map, accessible after some loading screen from LSIA ticketing machine.
Anyway: Faber G. Like Fabergé eggs. The egg on the mural. In this setup, the Eye above and outside the mural lines are the devs. They're linked to the egg because they're the ones burying EEs or adding DLCs in the game. In this setup, Ufo(100% story) and jetpack(pvp symbol/Thruster is only Online)would be our solo and online avatars, respectively, so they're linked together because they're ours.
(The Eye can be something ingame resembling an eye, or can be our eyes as a player in the game, or a God-Eye all knowing one and that would be the devs.)
--------Tract and Meta-------
As for the Tract PSA: Im firmly convinced the first step to decipher it is to read it backwards: the first verse says we get thing backwards and from Z to A. And the last verse ends by saying it's the first one.
I've read it "numerous" times and nowadays what makes sense to me: the devs are speaking, it's a meta thing.
Truth Form is a mission or a gamemode or a dlc. Being "of Kraff"(craft) means being involved in the game, like a content creator from the community. (When you craft things you become a maker, like a God shaping the world.)
User generated quality content would be the preferred way to manifest upwards generosity.
Codewalking, cheating, and free pirated versions of the game aren't how the mystery is meant to be solved. And we're not supposed to disable Auto Save.(don't be an Unsaveable, don't question the feature, trust the game/devs)
The peach and dove and lake metaphors are still obscure in this framework, but as they appear early in the tract (when you start at Ch1V1) so supposedly they should be amongst the last elements to be understood.
Epsilonism, in that regard, would mean making sense of details, since Epsilon letter is used this way in science (small quantity of stuff you don't know, but that makes your equation formally accurate. When you account for the unknown that's a sign of wisdom)
We also got Chi, Psi, Tau, Upsilon who are all related to electricity, time, velocity, and now it seems like chapters are sets of instructions related to what to do, when, and where.
As if we should indeed play the game a certain way, like it's been suggested many times here. But this time we would have to direct or create something.
Either there's something to do with Mission Creator. Or Director mode (do you know any peculiar npcs from here?) But a sensible option for a trigger would have us active like a Dev-Eye not just passive like a Player-Eye.
Or maybe....
--------Self Radio--------
Now is something I've not seen mentioned much: we got references to radio towers, CB chatter, the space docker weird klaxon and its front bump thing, ingame men in black seen watching places where antennas are(some got removed) and surveillance conspiracy theories.
Then in your game Audio settings, you can add custom music files. It's named Self Radio. You can even enable an option to scan files at startup for when you add some more. Like Self Actualization. And there's a Full Scan option that "performs additional analysis to enhance user experience" and I got no idea what this option does, compared to the other scan option that supposedly already scans everything.
I've never used Self Radio. It's unique to PC version.
Imagine, if all we had to do was record ourselves reading tract verses (or saying "Kifflom") and putting this in Self Radio with the scan enabled. Shuffle option maybe?
Now the old "Self Storage: U hold the key" sounds more than just a joke.
But that would mean it's a PC only hunt. Remember when we were wondering whether the mystery could be solved on all versions?
At least that would explain the part of the tract that says epsilonism isn't for everyone but only for those who can afford it (from my meta interpretation when you read it backwards, not just playing and paying to unlock the missions)
--------Outro--------
In Conclusion, I've never seen a convincing full breakdown of the Tract, and we might very well be in for some more. Who knows what's to come while we wait for VI, but this Z to A thing definitely keeps the excitement going for me, as Im quite certain we didn't solve everything yet. We might even have to fiddle with Self Radio to uncover more.
How many PC players ever meddled with Self Radio?
Kifflom, and have fun in Los Santos!
mount chiliad mystery is about choices and control not aliens
the mural on Mount Chiliad isnt a treasure map its a progression map
the lines going up the mountain = the story paths
but the important detail is all the paths lead to the same top
so the game gives u choices but they all end in one controlled outcome
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the 3 symbols arent random:
ufo = observation (you are being watched / control from above)
its the only thing that actually appears after 100% in Grand Theft Auto V
so thats the only path that exists in the final game
jetpack = freedom (escaping the system)
it exists in the files and later online but not in story mode
meaning this path was planned but removed
egg = origin/truth (the hidden beginning of everything)
there is no egg in the game at all
so the truth is either hidden or never added
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the eye at the top = reaching full awareness (100% completion)
but when u reach it nothing changes except u see the ufo
so even at “full awareness” ur still being watched
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this connects to the story:
michael = control (fbi manipulation)
franklin = choice (he decides but only between limited endings)
trevor = chaos (but still trapped in the same system)
so even the characters represent fake freedom
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extra detail that proves it:
the cable car on chiliad
it follows one fixed path to the top
no control no deviation
thats literally the mural in real life
u think ur exploring but ur just following a path already set
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also the ufo only appears in specific conditions (storm + night)
so even the “secret” is controlled
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the real “solution” is:
when u reach 100% and stand on chiliad during the storm u see the ufo because u completed the path of control
you followed everything exactly as the game wanted
there is no jetpack or egg in story because those paths (freedom / truth) were never actually playable
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so the mural is basically telling u:
you only experienced one path
but there were supposed to be more
and the mystery isnt unsolved
the game is just incomplete
I know you guys might probably under an NDA, But if you guys are in this sub, please tell me in DM all the secrets. Im going schizo over this.
These are in different towns.
They dont match the mural 100%, but close enough that it seems on-purpose.
This is BIG i have been holding this for 6 years trying to share it with the right peapol
hobo symbols meaning ,
1 KIND GENTELMAN LIVE HERE
2 DANGER
So if you go to the yellow jack bar nico bar you can find does HOBO SIGNS behind the lady who serve they look like water marks but they are NOT THAT WHAT THEY WANT STUPID PEAPOL TO BELIVE YOU CAN ONLY FIND them at the bar and at the FOUNDRY where the mission you do if you dont kill any character and you never find them anywhere else on the game here is the other big signs that they are trying hard to tell us somthing NICO COAT YOU CAN NEVER FOUND THAT COAT ANYWHERE ELSE EXEPT THE BAR WITH SIGNS AND AT THE FOUNDRY, please i need this to be shared so i we can SOLVE IT !!!!
I found these giant water/gas ducts with aliens and there’s hydrant that reacts to shooting. wondering if could be something? maybe make it explode or something have no idea 😂
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We know that Los Santos (Los Angeles) carries a lot of real-life stories from California. It also looks like the map’s general design is inspired by California. If that is true, I noticed some similarities:
1- Los Santos is Los Angeles. (yes)
2- Above it, there is a small coastal town named Moss Landing, which is also not unpopular. It looks very similar to the swamp area near Fort Zancudo.
3- Above Moss Landing, there is an airport in a similar position.
4- With these three points, Bohemian Grove is located at nearly the same distance between Los Santos, the swamp area, and the Altruist Camp.
5- The Altruist Camp is a cult with crazy naked guys. While Bohemian Grove is a cult with crazy American presidents. (the most similar substance)
Hey! I have a question, I don’t know why, but I remember, like maybe 6 or 7 years ago? I think I saw a giant eye on the side of the mountain? But maybe im confused? I never saw anything about something like this, I remember flying in a helicopter and seeing it, I believe it was on the side facing Paleto Bay
Its in the north part of town. I hightlighted them in green.
So i was looking around fort zancudo cause someone mentioned that the soldiers have weird badges, and then i found this.
Didn't know what to make of it at first but then i remembered something from the tract.
I don't think that's a coincidence and i will keep investigating.
the bishop's ufo is EXTREMELY reflective, and to get up to it, you have to go around the back alley, where there is also the billboard. on that billboard is a man with shades (rimmers) and in that reflection is a woman. now that billboard could have been placed ANYWHERE, but right next to an extremely reflective ufo? there is something there. has anyone worked with looking at the reflections, especially from his perspective in line with his left eye?
secondly, the CAKE is a lie. ignore that entirely.
thirdly, the little white note at the bottom of the eye-fish poster reads: "WE'VE NO REAL "EYE"DEA WHAT IT IS EITHER", replacing the "i" with "eye". SO, how about we apply that flipped rule to the main sentence? Therefore becoming either: "I FISH A LIVING I WITH A TAIL !!" , OR, following the' ' as a protection: " 'EYE-FISH' A LIVING I WITH A TAIL !!" First question... why two exclamation marks? Why not 1, or 3? Hm. Second question, fishing and finding are very similar words and actions, so is "eye-fish" meant to be "eyefind"? Third question, is the star also supposed to signify the importance of the last letter, L? meaning we have to keep it. so, tail becomes TALE.
So that sounds straightforward enough... eyefind a LIVING "i" (somebody we can use in director mode who isn't dead?) with a TALE. So, look on the eyefind of someone we can play as, who is alive, and who has a mission. if we take the gold medals as the golden path, then those it tells us to kill are not "living", so ignore all of them.
And hey, if you want a bonus crackpot theory, maybe the ufo is a red herring, and the thing needed to be reflected is the "WTF", becoming flipped, just like the "FTW" tattoos available. just food for thought!
If there is anything i should test let me know. (no 100% completion)
