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Working Developer, No Degree, and Feeling Stuck. What Should I Do?

Hey everyone,

I'm 23 years old. I completed my FSC with 44%, and after that, my brother told me to join Aptech and learn coding. Honestly, I didn't even know what coding was back then, but I worked hard, learned, and eventually got a job. I've been working for almost 3 years now.

Lately, I've been feeling that having a degree is important if you want to grow in your career. The problem is that I struggle with studying, and I've forgotten most of the basic math and academic stuff. On top of that, my job requires late sittings, so by the time I get home, I'm too exhausted to study.

I've recently given exams through the ZUEB board and hope to get enough marks to apply for a BSCS program. I'm really confused right now. Should I quit my job and study full-time, or should I continue working without getting a degree?

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u/Empty_Programmer_323 — 3 hours ago

Discussion about Paki Freelancers

I just want to share my experience as a Pakistani freelancer/professional hiring another Pakistani freelancer.

Whenever I can outsource or refer work, I always try to support fellow Pakistanis first. Unfortunately, a few recent experiences have made me think twice. Here's the worst one.

I hired a Fiverr freelancer to manage my LinkedIn. He was the most proactive person I spoke to, so I gave him a one-month trial. The agreement was simple: 16 posts per month, 15 comments, and around 20 connection requests per day.

The first month seemed fine. Midway through, I asked him to keep a simple record of the comments and connection requests, not because I didn't trust him, but so both of us had proof the work was completed. He happily agreed but never actually shared anything. At the end of the month, he sent an Excel file I couldn't even access despite asking multiple times. Still, I was satisfied overall and renewed him for another month.

The second month was different. Near the end, I asked for two items that were already within the agreed scope, plus one optional task outside the scope. I clearly told him he wasn't obligated to do the extra task if he was busy.

He never delivered the two in-scope items, so I ended up doing them myself. For the out-of-scope task, he claimed he had worked on it, but during our meeting it became obvious he hadn't. I had already done the research myself, and he was making up facts and figures on the spot.

The final straw came when I checked the LinkedIn comments for the last week. We were about 20 comments short of the agreed target. I took screenshots, and when I asked him about it, he insisted he had actually exceeded the target by 10 comments. Once I showed him the screenshots, the excuses started.

On a call, I told him I couldn't leave a good Fiverr review because he had missed the agreed targets and had no proof to support his claims about either the comments or the connection requests.

He later rushed to do some extra comments as if that fixed everything. I left a 2 to 3 star review, after which he repeatedly spammed me on WhatsApp with more excuses instead of simply taking responsibility.

For context, he also took frequent days off throughout the project, and I never complained because the work eventually got done. What bothered me wasn't the mistakes. It was the lack of accountability and the constant excuses.

So, AITA for leaving an average review? I feel like I trusted him far more than I should have.

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u/Few_Relationship5763 — 14 hours ago

Tkxel Internship Update

Hello, anyone who received any follow-up email after attempting the Graduate Assessment Test?

I've a year of university left, but I got the email after doing the AI Screening call. I attempted the test and I think I performed decently well.

Anyone who's aware what the next step will be? Do we get an email In case we don't get accepted too or will they just ghost us?

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u/Top_Independence360 — 19 hours ago

How to do google and other tech certifications?

to my seniors and tech bros, please help a newbie out

As someone moving into tech and switching careers, I'd really like your guidance with international certifications like Harvard CS50 and Google IT Support.

How are people able to do these from Pakistan, which websites or online resources do we have?

I've heard someone say Coursera, do they accept payment in PKR and if not then how does one pay for these? and how much do they cost approximately?

Im sorry im not much aware but im just getting started and would really, really very much appreciate your guidance. thanks.

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u/BigDetective1274 — 18 hours ago

I haven’t decided yet whether to chose Cs or Ai

Hi, as the title says, I’ll be joining NUST this year, and my aggregate is high enough to get into any field.

I’m confused between AI and CS, and rn I don’t know which one should I choose. Sometimes I think CS is the better option because it’s a broader field with a lot of variety. But then I think I should choose AI because everyone keeps saying that traditional coding is dying and AI will be used for coding in the future (which I think is true).

I’d really appreciate some guidance from anyone who has experience with either field. Thanks!

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u/Practical_Bid4767 — 20 hours ago

PUCIT vs UET KSK for BS SE, and what actually pays in freelancing right now?

Curriculum for both still teaches dead tech (Adobe Flex at UET, Java Servlets at PUCIT 💀). So I already know the degree won't make me industry-ready, I'm self-teaching regardless. Two real questions for this sub:

  1. PUCIT or UET KSK? Not asking about the syllabus. Asking about faculty, peer network, and which one actually pushes students toward internships/jobs.

  2. What should I self-teach for freelancing?

No taste for frontend, so MERN is off the table for me personally

Pure Node.js backend: most gigs on Upwork/Fiverr bundle it with full-stack, hard to sell standalone

MERN/WordPress in general looks oversaturated to me. Millions of devs, race to the bottom pricing

If I'm wrong about any of this, correct me now, not in month 8. Willing to grind a full year, just want to grind on the right thing. What's actually landing people paid freelance work in 2026?

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u/TheBeastyPlays — 1 day ago

Interview calls without internal references

How to land interview these days to top Software companies these days? I discussed with many people and friends and got to know mostly interview happens internally without vacancy posting, Specially for openings like FE or Full stack, Kind of demotivated after knowing this and after seeing not much openings on Linkedin from top companies, Anyone landed any interviews without any references? Even in my current company we don’t post openings anywhere and mostly hire someone from reference which i dislike

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u/MinuteAd8494 — 23 hours ago

Java Full Stack developer Required

🚀 We're Hiring: Java Full Stack Spring Boot Developer

We are looking for a Java Full Stack Developer with 3–4 years of industry experience to join our team.

Requirements:

3–4 years of hands-on experience in Java Full Stack development

Strong expertise in Spring Boot

Active GitHub profile with code repositories showcasing your work

Experience with AWS services

Hands-on experience building and managing CI/CD pipelines

Strong understanding of software development best practices

Work Type:

Full-time or Part-time (both options available)

If you're passionate about building scalable applications and meet the above requirements, we'd love to hear from you.

📩 Please send your updated CV along with your GitHub, linkedin profile link via direct message or email. cerad691@gmail.com

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u/Different_Shift_6089 — 21 hours ago

Building a startup and it's funding?

I don't know if this is the right community, but since it's a tech startup I feel it's relevant.

I'm trying to build a tech startup, and have almost completed the development. It's a multi vendor and customer model platform. I've built all the aspects of it. But I feel like I'm short on funds to get it going properly (marketing, good servers, social media).

And I want to know in Pakistan how do startups gather funding? Where do they get funded?

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u/Sad_Singer_7657 — 1 day ago

My second day as an intern

Hello fellow devs,

I recently got an internship (onsite), on the first day they showed me a website design and discussed it to me, it has to be built with GSAP (animation Library for complex animations). They asked me to work on GSAP. I put my soul into learning GSAP, till second day I learned pretty basic stuff like timelines and scroll animations , scroll triggers etc.

Today, they asked me to build a hero section, it had many animations when they assigned me this I was happy that I will build this by my own but they asked me to use Antigravity agentic features and build it. I built it with speed but a part of me stayed unsatisfied. Like I had to vibe code many animations that I had no idea how these animations are working. I began to doubt myself.

I am a person who never uses AI (for code generation) while learning something. What are your thoughts on this?

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u/Gangster_DW — 1 day ago

Posting again Need genuine advice...

Hello guys 🤗

I am second semester cs student at iobm 3.84 CGPA and 50% aid I am thinking of transferring to fast Karachi campus for third semester and onwards.

I am not satisfied with iobm ka cs and feels like mujhy achi job nahi Mily ge also iobm aur fast ke fees may ziyda difference nahi ha

Please guide 🙏🏿

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u/Secret_Chapter7695 — 1 day ago

Freelance dev with $45 earned on Upwork (one 5 star review) how do I turn this into a solid full-time gig? Bidding strategy advice needed

Hey everyone

Recent CS grad here, about a year into freelancing on the side(with a pakistani client who used to give me projekcts) while I look for full-time SWE roles. I finally landed my first Upwork project in Feb, got paid $45, and walked away with a 5-star review. ID is verified but I don't have the badge yet and no Plus subscription.

My stack is full-stack dev with AI integration and automation (React/Next.js, FastAPI, Supabase, GPT-4o/API integrations, workflow automation). I'm still figuring out how to actually convert small wins into consistent, better-paying work.

Would really appreciate advice on:

How should I spend my limited budget right now, go for volume (lots of bids) or be picky and target fewer, higher-fit jobs?

Is it worth getting Plus at this stage, or wait until I have more reviews/JSS built up?

Best time of day to bid so proposals actually get seen?

A good bidding strategy for bidding and closing projects.

How to utilize connects in the best way possible as i have a limited budget.

How many proposals to send per day?

Any tips specifically for full-stack + AI/automation gigs what do clients actually look for in a proposal?

How long did it realistically take you to go from first review to steady income on Upwork?

Any real talk from people who've been through this grind would help a lot. Thanks in advance 🙏

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u/voyageguy_ — 1 day ago

Employer holding salary increment

I joined an Islamabad agency last year as a Senior Full-Stack Developer on a PKR 250k staring salary, with promised performance review every 6 months.

When the 6-month passed with no update, I asked about it and was told there had been complaints that I was slow in responding to clients. This was surprising since I was regularly working, even over-time and weekends, but those efforts were never acknowledged. Instead, I was often compared to there Indian developers working day, night without complaints.

I stayed patient and waited. A few months later, I was told reviews would happen after Ramadan. There were project deadlines, marriage leaves incoming so waited further.

The marriage leaves 1st triggered PM that it shouldn't be more then 3-4, (I took 2 weeks, even informed abt it months ago), and later, he found some debug code on a staging environment that wasn't behaving like production. Even after I explained the situation and removed it, the discussion escalated. He started making direct code changes, adding requirements himself using ChatGPT, creating Git conflicts, duplicating functions, and then declared my overall code quality "pathetic," saying even juniors could write better code.

The project was shipped, but I still haven't received the promised review or increment. Instead, riding me thru guilt trips, damaging reputation and I'm being put in a position where I need months to "prove myself" again.

I know there are obvious red flags here and I'm already considering my options. My question is: does this sound like a justified performance concern, or does it look more like a series of delay tactics to avoid salary increases? I'm trying to evaluate the situation objectively here before making any major career move, especially in the current saturated job market and inflation situation.

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u/m_bilal93 — 2 days ago

Tkxel internship follow up

Did anyone recieve a follow up email from tkxel? I recieved a fresh graduate assessment email but the thing is im still in my uni. Also some people are still on the AI screening phase, why did i recieve the mail for the next step so quickly?

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u/baddiebadam — 2 days ago

How much of a raise should I ask for after 9 months as a MEAN Stack Developer?

I’ve been working as a MEAN Stack Developer in Pakistan since October (about 10 months). I joined as a fresh graduate and currently earn PKR 80k/month. I intially agreed on the pay because i was fresh. But ever since i have worked independently on multiple projects, contributing on diff features.
Since joining, I’ve worked on Angular, Node.js, MySQL, APIs, production bug fixes, and new features, and I can handle most tasks independently.
I’m planning to ask for a salary review. What would be a reasonable salary to ask for in today’s market? I feel like 80k now is def on the lower end and no one has asked for a review yet.
And is it reasonable to ask at this point or should i wait a bit more?

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u/Environmental_Ad3209 — 2 days ago

Is a TPS Game a good semester project for OOP?

I AM A FIRST YEAR CS UNDERGRADUATE AND IN THE FALL SEMESTER WE'LL BE TAKING OUR OOP COURSE, I AM CONSIDERING BUILDING AN OFFLINE TPS AS MY SEMESTER PROJECT. THE IDEA IS TO HAVE :

  • PLAYER RELATIVE THIRD PERSON MOVEMENT
  • MULTIPLE PLAYABLE CHARACTERS WITH DIFFERENT STRENGTHS
  • DIFFERENT WEAPONS ( GLOCK, AK SERIES , M SERIES ETC)
  • MULTIPLE MISSIONS AND STAGES
  • BASIC ENEMY BEHAVIOR
  • HEALTH, AMMO AND INVENTORY SYSTEM

WE'LL BE USING CPP AND GRAPHIC LIBRARIES AND FRAMEWORKS WILL DEPEND ON WHAT OUR INSTRUCTOR APPROVES .

MY QUESTIONS ARE :

  1. IS THIS AN APPROPRIATE PROJECT FOR OOP
  2. ARE THERE ANY FEATURES THAT SHOULD BE REMOVED OR SIMPLIFIED
  3. WHAT CHALLENGES WE MIGHT FACE

NOTE:

THE PROJECT SUBMISSION WILL BE IN FEBRUARY, IF WE START WORKING NOW WE WILL HAVE 7 MONTHS.

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u/Far_Training_1992 — 1 day ago

20M confused between Ai/Ml and Fullstack

Hey I just completed 4th sem in SE from UCP I applied for alot of interñships but no response ...

I applied for Coursera subs by HEC and got it

I wanted to do ML course within these summers but now I'm confused because my math is not good and ai/ml is full of maths

2: There are almost no Entry level jobs in Ai/Ml

I'm thinking to go towards java Fullstack because I think it would be easy for me than Ai also the chances to get internship and job with degree will be high

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u/EngAwaisFayyaz — 2 days ago