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A lasting two state solution?

A Kimberley plan for New Palestine

My life's been somewhat overcome by what some would argue to be conspiracies, I don't see it as such but more of a conscious awareness.

I've been following the Palestinian conflict & Israeli expansion for almost a decade now.

It's a super polarizing topic which has made a lot of loved ones slowly distance themselves from me. Which I can completely understand. Not everyone wants to fill their head with such polarizing sentiments.

As years go on, I can only feel there's a lot of underlying truth to the most part.

I feel the powers controlling Israel will do everything within there ability to establish what they refer to as Greater Israel.

Basically all of Israel with no Palestinians & 6x the landmass of surrounding nations.

As years go by, I can only see it largely being implemented before our eyes & in defiance of the international powers.

I've been fixated on a potential solution that could help stabilize this conflict and positively affect every party involved.

A Kimberley plan for New Palestine. A lasting two state solution.

I'm not in any means condoning the annexation of the last Palestinian territories in the Holy Land.

But suggesting a second Palestinian state be slowly established in an area of the Kimberley, like once offered to the Israelites before the escalation of WWII.

The region ATM is 3x the size of England & is scarcely inhabitated. Roughly 40000 people with half being indigenous.

There are almost 10 million displaced Palestinians across mostly the middle East with a right of return by international law.

Gaza has been largely destroyed/flattened. At this very moment there is 500000 illegal settlers in the West bank.

The area can't and won't ever be able to support such a return. Particularly with far right Israels expansionist regime. Which I don't intend to support by making such a proposal.

But if we were to freeze migration to the mainland, bring in those numbers to said region.

Within a decade or so we could help stabilize surrounding areas of Israel & the middle East.

For such a proposal to be ethical & not an aid in displacement. Israel would have to agree to stop the expansion they justify as needed for regional stability.

Most middle eastern nations won't grant Palestinians permanent citizenship, as they believe it weakens the Palestinian cause.

But such a proposal, could help maintain remnants of a Palestinian identity that's slowly being lost to almost a century long war.

ATM 8 million Australians were already not born here. This situation, which is slowly becoming a genocide. Could already have been stopped.

China have eyes on the region, which could be utilized for national security as a buffer zone.

They would also be landlocked to a degree to such an area given Australias vast deserts. Making mass migration to mainland states not a huge issue.

Would you support such an offer if it were to be extended to displaced Palestinians?

If not why?

Please keep comments civil, ✌️🕊️🇦🇺🇵🇸

Holy Palestine & New Palestine, a lasting two state solution

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u/Clean_Locksmith9659 — 2 hours ago
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Do we have a problem specifically with Black representatives? Cori Bush, Jasmine Crockett and Wesley Bell.

Last cycle AIPAC found a politician for rent to help them buy a congressional seat and defeat a black congresswoman and one of the very best best reps for the people, Cori Bush. They broke spending records with negative ads and installed Wesley Bell.

This week Jasmine Crockett just endorsed the AIPAC candidate over Bush, seeming to confirm voter suspicions of her alignment with (in the most benign terms) a racist, foreign, Jim Crow state.

Personally, I've become so dissilusioned with our representstives. AIPAC fights even harder against principled Black politicians than they do whites, and the ones who have stood on principle are now few and far between. IMO that is a big reason why Black politicians no longer lead on making actual change, and since we have been the moral engine of the Democratic party that vacuum has made inevitable then party's recent ineptitude.

I can not trust the morals or motivations of a black person who fights for Jim Crow and apartheid because if you'll sell out there you'll sell out anywhere. You'll sell out ot the AI industry or predatory loan companies or private prisons or any white racists orgs who are acceptably camouflaged and sufficiently funded.

That's my rant and here's my question:

Does a black politician's stance on this issue make a profound difference in how you see them, and how do we address the issue of black politicians who align with AIPAC over the morals and priorities of their commuity?

u/Shinnobiwan — 23 hours ago

Israeli envoy to US calls J Street a ‘cancer within the Jewish community’

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-envoy-to-us-calls-j-street-a-cancer-within-the-jewish-community/

Personally, I am not a J Street member. I find them to be too far to the left for me and my beliefs and too willing to discuss Israel-Palestinian issues with bad actors who do not operate in good faith.

However, in this instance, I find that Israeli Ambassador to the US Yechiel Leiter branding J Street as “a cancer within the Jewish community” to be beneath the dignity of his office.

This was the platform at which he directed these sentiments:

“The National Task Force to Combat Antisemitism has been an important coalition for moral clarity against the falsehoods directed towards Jews and Western Civilization in these divided times.”

“The stage will feature diplomatic officials, prominent Trump Administration personnel, members of Congress, and notable Jewish & Christian Leaders. There will also be a surprise guest announced on the day of the conference.”

Honestly, if he had said this directly to J Street when meeting with them then I would have less of an issue with that. That’s a conversation amongst Jews. But calling fellow Jews a cancer and using other language like that in front of non-Jewish allies, tacitly gives permission to these people to speak about American Jews in this manner. With the explosion of antisemitism from all corners, the left, as well as the right, it is inappropriate for any Jews, including and especially representatives of Israel, to provide cover for ways that non-Jews can use language that attacks Jews. It’s totally inappropriate and absolutely unnecessary.

Additionally, another thing he said that is nonsensical was “…when you come and say in such a two-faced manner, ‘We’re pro-Israel, we’re pro democracy’ — there’s a democratically elected government in Israel. You don’t like Netanyahu, make Aliyah, vote in the next election and express yourself. Don’t say you’re ‘pro-democracy’ and decry and defy the position of the democratic government of Israel,” he added.”

This seems to intimate that American Jews have no right to disagree with the position of the current Israeli government. That’s somehow equally offensive to my intelligence. I respect the Prime Minister, but I and other Americans are allowed to disagree. Just as I’m sure American Jews disagree with non-Bibi prime ministers in the past. If Israelis in Tel Aviv are allowed to take to the streets to protest, the idea that American Jews cannot disagree is as laughable as it is offensive.

And again, I’m not even a member of J Street. I’m a Zionist. Full stop. I think attempts to divide Jewish Americans during a time that we should be supporting each other due to increased antisemitism is widely inappropriate and expect better from someone speaking on behalf of the Israeli government in America.

While I don’t often agree with J Street, I agree with their right to disagree and argue with them. There’s a way to criticize without incendiary language and demeaning attitude towards all American Jews.

u/Emotional-Tailor-649 — 3 days ago

Curiosity

Noticed the first rule is no antisemitism? Does that mean that i can't say Israel should receive no money from the USA. And Isael should be labeled as a terrorist state for having the samson option?

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u/Professional-Rate228 — 3 days ago