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Image 1 — Is this recording really not in 12EDO? If so, what could have caused it?
Image 2 — Is this recording really not in 12EDO? If so, what could have caused it?

Is this recording really not in 12EDO? If so, what could have caused it?

The one in question is Kazuhito Yamashita playing Pictures at an Exhibition on the classical guitar, specifically the 4th movement, named "Bydło". Here's a link to it.

It sounded so very unique to me, even compared to other renditions of the same song, but I eventually just concluded it was my amateur ears being tricked and it's just that Kazuhito's playing, such as these insane tremolos, gave it a unique timbre.

But still, I decided to put it on Melodyne, and what I got. The pitches, relative to 440hz 12EDO, were all 40-50 cents lower than they should be, and the detected pitch was instead 428hz.

All arrangements of this song are, of course, not intended for half-flats or anything, so this is why it made me curious.

If my software isn't incorrect, my current idea is that the analog recording somehow ended as 428hz despite being the guitar being tuned to 440hz, which I don't understand how it happens but I've heard of it. If that's the case, it would make perfect sense as notes in 428hz would be around 50 cents lower than their equivalents in 440hz, making it appear on the software like all notes were half-flattened.

Do you guys agree with me? I'm still a beginner in music theory and production so sorry for any and all mistakes.

u/afragmentedsoul — 9 hours ago
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Any Detroit/Michigan Musicians interested in making microtonal music?

It may be a long shot, but I was wondering if anyone from the area would be interested in making Gizzard/Angine de Poitrine inspired music. I’ve been modifying cheap guitars to be microtonal and writing music for microtonal guitars for a few years but it’s lowkey hard to find musicians who want to approach this style of music haha

I can provide instruments or even help you modify your own!

I hope this is allowed on here bc I don’t really know where to look otherwise

u/Diogenesa — 1 day ago

9 Octave Fibonacci Chord 24EDO Approximated

A short example using a chord made with 24 tone approximations of harmonics 1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233.

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u/Nodialtonal — 2 days ago

Simple F Major .tun File

I'm looking to find or create a .tun file that I can load into Omnisphere. It's for a piece in F major and I want the simplest dumbed down version of Just Intonation - A, D, and E all down 14 cents and everything else at 0. Can anyone point me in the right direction on that?

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u/bradleysampson — 2 days ago

extending basic modes in 31edo

looking at scales in 31edo

we can take basic modes (major, dorian, phrygian, etc) and we can expand on these

if (in edosteps) s = 2, m = 3, n = 4, M = 5, S = 6

the most basic scales of 31edo might be

major
M M m M M M m
C D E F G A B C

minor
M m M M m M M
C D Eb F G Ab Bb C

neutral
M n n M M n n
C D Ed F G Ad Bd C

supermajor
M S s M S M s
C D Et F G At Bt C

subminor
M s S M s M S
C D Edb F G Adb Bdb C

of course, minor is just a mode of major, so we might compound these to basic "diatonic". but, subminor is not a mode of supermajor (they are both subsets of diasem, but i haven't found this too helpful, personally.) they are, i suppose, different chiralities of the same rank-3 step pattern (notice supermajor has S s while subminor has s S)

if we consider the basic modes of 31edo, we can consider not only the modes of 12edo, but also scales of similar but exaggerated or subdued contour in 31edo. so, for instance, there is the dorian mode which is

1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7

but there is also a subdorian mode which would be

1 2 db3 4 5 6 db7

and also a half-dorian mode which would be

1 2 d3 4 5 6 d7

but also a sort of flipping of the dorian shape, which would be tempting to call "anti-dorian" if there were not already a host of anti-diatonic scales in other tunings that includes this name

1 2 t3 4 5 6 t7

we might just flip the name dorian to "rodian" instead, and apply this similar system to the other modes

if we sequentially examine the basic modes and their exaggerated / subdued / flipped forms, we have the following:

exaggerated - prepended by super or sub

supermajor (1 2 t3 4 5 t6 t7)
subdorian (1 2 db3 4 5 6 db7)
subphrygian (1 db2 db3 4 5 db6 db7)
superlydian (1 2 3 #t4 5 6 7)
submixolydian (1 2 3 4 5 6 db7)
subminor (1 2 db3 4 5 db6 db7)
sublocrian (1 db2 db3 4 db5 db6 db7)

subdued - prepended by "half"

half-dorian (1 2 d3 4 5 6 d7)
half-phrygian (1 d2 d3 4 5 d6 d7)
half-lydian (1 2 3 t4 5 6 7)
half-mixolydian (1 2 3 4 5 6 d7)
half-locrian (1 d2 d3 4 d5 d6 d7)

flipped - prefix is flipped, or something similar

rodian (1 2 t3 4 5 6 t7)
gryphian (1 t2 t3 4 5 t6 t7)
dylian (1 2 3 d4 5 6 7)
moxidylian (1 2 3 4 5 6 t7)
colrian (1 t2 t3 4 t5 t6 t7)

the subdued forms of major and minor are both neutral, and the flipped version of major is minor, so they've been omitted here

using this naming system, most of the basic modes of 31edo can be described using these names + an additional alteration, similar to the melodic minor modes of 12edo

for example, if we examine the modes of the subminor scale, we have the following:

M s S M s M S - subminor
1 2 db3 4 5 db6 db7
C D Edb F G Adb Bdb

1 db2 b3 4 db5 db6 b7 - sublocrian b3, b7
C Ddb Eb F Gdb Adb Bb

1 t2 t3 4 5 t6 t7 - gryphian
C Dt Et F G At Bt

1 2 db3 d4 5 6 db7 - subdorian d4
C D Edb Fd G A Bdb

1 s2 s3 4 5 s6 b7 - subphrygian b7
C Ddb Edb F G Adb Bb

1 2 t3 #t4 5 t6 t7 - supermajor #t4
C D Et F#t G At Bt

1 t2 t3 4 5 t6 b7 - colrian b7
C Dt Et F Gt At Bb C

as you can see, even with an extended system of names, mode 2 here is pretty messy, with 2 alterations. while a cleaner name would be preferred, i've yet to find one

edited to add:

subminor & supermajor are a chiral pair, as are subdorian & rodian, and submixolydian & superlydian

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u/stalefleas — 3 days ago

Any good ways of starting w/ microtonal music?

I'm looking for ways to start experimenting and playing with microtonal music. I just want to try microtonal daws and use what suits me best. Up to this point I've just been using desmos tone function to try tinkering with this but it's very tedious.

At this point, anything helps.

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u/Desloratadina_5mg — 6 days ago

How do you notate notes of the harmonic 13 chord?

Which names and accidentals would you use? I'm lost a bit.

If I write:

C E G Bdb D Ft Ad

Will it suit temperaments like 31 EDO only? What about JI? I know about 4:5:6:7:9:11:13 but here I want specific names.

Should I write cents in every note compared to 12-TET? Like:

C E(-14c) G(+2c) Bb(-31c)

And finally, should I use saggital notation for JI here? Does it have like sesquiflats? What shoul I do for everyone to understand me?

Thanks for your answers!

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u/MrWormikan — 5 days ago
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A band local to me recently released a microtonal album.

TERATOMA is a theatrical metal band from the gulf coast (MS) with a heavy, noisy punk metal sound. Their live show is similar to GWAR in that they have foam creatures and monsters come out during the act to be killed. The new album is apparently delving into a similar microtonal tuning as KGLW so I figured I would share it here!! Hope some of you guys dig this! It's definitely not for everyone but despite the edgy content the guys are chill and do everything themselves in house DIY! Teratomaband.com is the website for anyone looking to dive deeper into this shit show!

u/Hardin_Irezumi — 7 days ago
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SUBMISSION FOR 7 SECONDS LONG COMPILATION VOL. 3 OPEN

V.A. - 7 Seconds Long Compilation Vol. 3

Well, second volume was really fun, but next one will be even MORE fun!

You can now submit up to 10 songs per alias, there is no limit for how many aliases you can use. (even madeup alias exclusively for this compilation.)

The compilation will be digitally published in the 5th November 2026 at https://nai64.bandcamp.com

Submit here: https://forms.gle/eXCjfY1bJWM1DWHP8

All the information are in forms.

u/k3gn — 9 days ago

Something that doesn't exist yet :

https://www.handsearseyes.fun/MicrotonalistsRepository.php?Referrer=Reddit-Microtonal-2025-05-12

You're cordially invited to post yourself into the list, hopefully as soon as now (to get a higher ranking hehe). Links to Reddit,Facebook,LinkTree,YouTube,TikTok,Discord,WhatsApp,BlogSpot,Threads,SoundCloud,BandCamp,AudioMack,BandZoogle,Instragram,X,Spotify,Patreon,Your Own Website.

No need to be a member of HandsEarsEyes.fun be e-mail verification is requires to avoid fakes.

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u/fchang69 — 10 days ago
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Is Show microtonal/xenharmonic?

The sounds people often mention being a reversed distorted guitar is actually a sitar, or maybe a veena or a rabab. After research, TeddyLoid and Giga mentioned in an interview that it was inspired by Indian culture and movies from Bollywood, which Giga said to be a big fan of.

Not only that, TeddyLoid said Giga is great at playing the sitar and other string instruments, which was a pleasent surprise.

So that said, considering these instruments are all inherently xenharmonic, could someone with a better ear than me confirm it? It'd be very interesting to know such a big song uses concepts that, in the west, are usually reserved to bands like King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard.

It's obvious the use of 'meends' in the melody, which is another thing that points me to it being xenharmonic.

u/afragmentedsoul — 13 days ago

A nice document I've made about the use of microtones Worldwide and Historically

I've just whipped out a great document entitled "3 Levels of Microtonality" which exposes A- Microtones through bends and vocals in Western Music B- Worldwide and Historical use of microtones C- Reactionary Microtonalists in the West

I'll add to it as time goes; for now I just asked AI to whip it out of a few pieces of text and images I've earned last night and way before in multiple cases...

https://www.handsearseyes.fun/Ears/Resources/3LevelsOfMicrotonal.php?Referrer=Reddit-Microtonal-2026-05-12

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u/fchang69 — 10 days ago

23ED4 Solo Electric Piano Jazz

Really been enjoying exploring the two octave structures that odd divisions of the 4th harmonic bring.

u/Nodialtonal — 11 days ago