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A debate, or more like a discussion imo, with Lyman Stone, Simone Collins and Stephen J. Shaw (the goat).

I decided to listen to the latest MW episode on demographics because it's a topic I'm interested in and know a reasonable amount about. I can't go five minutes without pausing at some of the utterly stupid things these people are saying.

At 13:39

Simone: "We live in a socialist Utopia"

Chris: "How so?"

Simone: "You have to pay for school in China."

She goes on to claim that China doesn't provide food assistance, child care assistance or fully fund healthcare for children. None of this is true. While China doesn't have a free healthcare system like we do with the NHS, it provides almost universal healthcare insurance but relies on people still footing the bill - which is similar to the US, her 'Socialist Utopia'. China provides child care assistance in the form of tax deductions, and does have welfare policies for the poor, a 'minimum livelihood guarantee' which iinvolve direct cash transfers, a very socialist policy indeed. China also has the largest state-run education system on Earth.

Not a single person challenges her on this at all. This is basic stuff, it takes nothing more than a Google search to discover what she is saying is outright false. So why is she there? She fits neatly into the stereotypical, tradwife manosphere adjacent advocate shaking her fists at the indignities of feminism.

Anyone else notice that Chris never mentions his old friend Douglas anymore? He even through him under the bus a bit on one episode while referencing his performance on JRE with Dave Smith. I feel like the early Douglas Murray episodes were a key reason that this podcast gained traction and he used to always quote " and the douglas said to me "Chris sometimes in life you have to choose your regrets"" etc.

Its as if just because DM has lost his popularity due to his stance on Israel Chris wants nothing to do with him anymore..