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A Post Singularity society would have a moral duty to radically restructure the Earth's biosphere.

Otherwise it would be allowing an enormous amount of meaningless suffering of all nonhuman animals living on Earth, simply because evolution doesn't care about their wellbeing, only their viability to reproduce.

I have not seen much discussion of this topic although the closest I've seen is the Abolitionist Project.

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u/BusyBeaver271 — 1 day ago
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Transcendism my original philosophy

The universe makes no sense I mean just think about Infinity. Think about the creation of our universe. There's two possibilities either the Universe is infinite or it's finite. Both are terrifying the fact that there are infinite universes infinite versions of you somewhere out there obviously nothing matters right. Then there's finite which is somehow even harder to grasp how could there be a limit to the universe what would that even look like how can there just be nothing beyond and certain point and even more difficult where did the universe come from.

Tbh I can't wrap my head around a finite universe it just doesn't make any sense to me which leaves infinite so nothing matters right? Then how can we explain Consciousness? If nothing matters then how can I feel emotions? You will find no scientist that can explain consciousness or infinity. I can only imagine 1 answer as to how our emotions our lives have any weight to them and that is that we are in a way like gods. In the same way we often imagine that gods exist through infinity we must also have something like that. Even if there are infinite of us our individual emotions still matter, a paradox of infinity. I have my own experiences that prove this to me for example when I listen to masterpieces I can feel a power as strong or stronger than infinity I lose fear of death and I inherently understand how undeniably significant life is. It's completely different than mere dopamine and pain and it doesn't make any sense that a mere extra clever animal would have evolved the ability to appreciate such divinity. This goes far beyond an animals desire to survive and reproduce. If I couldn't feel this this divinity how could I not be a nihilist. This music showed me my mission. To maximize what I call light(happiness, truth, life) and minimize darkness which is the opposite or lack of. What brought me to this belief was the boundless hatred I had toward the state of the world and the pain it caused me. This hatred reached the same level of deepness as the masterpieces I listened to which leads me to believe that it is also has infinite significance. The meaning being that this world is simply unacceptable as it is right now. (You can skip this next part if you're already onboard with Rational Moral Impartiality).

I shouldn't have to point this out but it seems most everyone hasn't really thought about this rationally. So lots of people have someone they feel they would do anything for then why is it they assume there isn't more people out there that would make you feel the same way if you got to know them. You're just giving the benefit of the doubt that there's nobody else, its the pinnacle of willful ignorance. "Why should I care even if they suffer if I don't know them it's like it never happened". Just imagine the horror on your average joe's face who looked far far into space and eventually found one of infinite copies of earth where he never found his wife and maybe in the military he ended up piloting the drone that killed her, or perhaps he ignored her when she was in need of help so he could live his comfortable life.

I do have a sexist belief(I can go into why elsewhere and it could bear more thought). I'm mainly talking to men 17+(there may also be exception for feminine type men) it's our job to carry out this mission. Until the world is acceptable we can't rest. A common cope I see people use is that their life has been a net positive but that is bad logic if you look far far into space you could see an earth where you went 100%. In your earth you consciously chose to sacrifice other people for your cowardice or whatever other reason. Yes every minute you aren't working toward the mission people you would have been best friends with in a copy earth are suffering horribly that's the uncomfortable truth.

I'm surprised I had to found this myself considering there's over 8 billion people now. I made a real effort to find someone or group that if not came to the same conclusion at least shared the same goal(really not 1 real utilitarian out there?). The conclusion I came to seem to me to be the obvious and only possible answer. What other answer could there be as to a meaning in an infinite universe. Perhaps It's a quite rare thing to be able to feel something higher from music or other forms of art. Perhaps people can't shake their animal instinct and never wake up to look for it.

I have become more than an animal trying to be comfortable until I die. Just like the infinite universe we cannot explain with logic we must go beyond logic with Transcendism and realize that we are infinite beings whose experiences are infinitely important. A paradox but one I can assure you is absolutely true. You might ask what is my reward for advancing the mission you just said I am infinitely important already. I don't think it's possible to communicate in words all I can say is we must support the light or suffer the dark. All I know is the mission is what gives life meaning and if you look at what the mission will result in it's evolving or rather Transcending humanity.

I'd like to hear any thoughts and do reach out if you share my goal.

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u/DoggedHorse — 4 days ago

I need help understanding myself

I have been thinking about how when I see things as good no matter how meaningless they would be to others I feel like I’m wasting my time and energy because I’m sensitive as a person and so I think I act like a child sometimes because of that. So I get insecure about my personality to the point where I don’t know who I am. And that alone can at least thankfully not have me feeling dreadful when I’m relaxing because that can make the negative feelings and thoughts I put on myself less loud.
Im also so open minded that I don’t have opinions at all.

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u/VictorianGooseGirl — 8 days ago
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EAs Should Use Less Bayesian Reasoning - James Brobin

Reason #1: If you know very little about something, your guesses are completely arbitrary.

Reason #2: We're bad at making guesses in general.

Reason #3: If your guesses are completely arbitrary, updating won’t bring you to the correct probability.

Reason #4: We should expect most guesses about the future to be wrong.

Reason #5: If your guesses are based on other people’s guesses, you might all be wrong.

Reason #6: People rarely offer extraordinarily low probabilities.

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u/KKirdan — 10 days ago