r/neworder

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The other day, I was watching this documentary about the iconic label Sarah Records, and halfway through, I came across a statement that struck me as amazing, coming as it did from someone who was part of The Drums. I’m sharing this not to stir up hate—whether toward The Wake, Jacob, or certainly not myself (haha)—but simply to archive it for this community, as I noticed it had never been shared here before (plus, the director, Lucy Dawkins, recently made it available for free on YouTube).

....and looking very displeased, before Harry helped them mount the comeback.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002y05z

Starts at 1hr 4mins.

Photo taken from the NME article (2009).

Oh... this really is funny. Even if it's for health reasons, Hooky's statement from just a day ago makes it even funnier.

Barney fans, would you still say Hooky always lies? This has reached a whole new level of irony. When Barney left New Order for Electronic, there was no New Order. When Hooky left? Hell no - they're still New Order. Can the irony get any greater? What first happens as tragedy repeats itself as comedy.

For years now, Barney has opened many shows by saying, "We're New Order." About 40 years ago, he said it to reassure people that they weren't Joy Division. It's even in their social media bios (including YouTube).

Description

New Order are Bernard Sumner, Gillian Gilbert, Stephen Morris, Tom Chapman and Phil Cunningham.

Biography

From the ashes of legendary band Joy Division, New Order triumphed over tragedy to emerge as one of the most influential and acclaimed bands of all time.

So... what are you now?

Edit:

I love New Order with all my heart, and I love Joy Division too. But Joy Division isn't Joy Division without Ian, Steve, Barney, or Hooky. And the same applies to New Order. I really hope it isn't because of health issues (though, yes, they've both gotten older). Wishing both of them and their families all the best.

Edit 2:

For those with a questionable sense of humor, here's what I find funny:

How the Bernard-like fans will keep shouting, "This is New Order!" - even if, one day, it's only Bernard left

How this announcement came just a day after Hook said they were about to split. Did he already know it was because of health issues? Or was the "health issues" explanation announced by the band's PR so it wouldn't look like there were stormy days in the New New Order camp? Is everyone telling the truth, or is someone leaving parts of the story out?

And many, many more questions that we may never get answers to

ok actually i'm not sure if my other draft went through but whatever. janky ass doodle because i was having a caffeine rush. enjoy.

I was obsessed with New Order as a teenager: owned all of their records (up to 'Technique') on every format, tracked down the rarities, bought all the 12" records, the videos, the imports, the T-shirts, etc. 'Substance' was the first CD I ever purchased.

Then 'World in Motion' came out, and my love for the band pretty much vanished. Like instantly, on a single day: May 21, 1990. It felt to my angsty young self like a betrayal.

Even as a teen mega-fan I couldn't shake the feeling that this song just sucked. I couldn't forgive them for seemingly abandoning their roots for what seemed to me like a cheap bid for popularity. Sure, they were already pretty popular by this point, but I didn't know that; to me, they were still a weird niche group that spoke to me personally and directly. And the joyful nationalism of the lyrics (even in the context of sports-fandom) rubbed me the wrong way.

Time went on and I tried to stick with them, but the magic was gone. I liked 'Regret' well enough, but couldn't get into the rest of 'Republic.' I became disillusioned by what I saw as a series of cash-grab compilations, and when Hooky left the band I saw it as pretty much over. I've listened to one or two of the subsequent albums maybe once through, but nothing grabbed me the way their first albums did.

I've been listening to those first albums again, and am reminded just how good they are. And maybe owning up to the fact that New Order didn't really get "bad" so much as my tastes changed and I moved on. That said, I'm left wondering what is in their post-1991 catalogue that I should give another chance.

Where should I start? What are their best albums (or songs), from 'Get Ready' on?

EDIT: Due to some Reddit glitch I can see there are several réponses here, but it’s not allowing me to read them. Oh well. Thanks to all who offered recommendations and sorry to those I offended.

New Order England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 World In Motion CD single.

The Manchester legends are SU featured artist this week!
What tracks from their extensive back catalogue should make the playlist?
Comment below 👇 or email:
latto@stereounderground.co.uk

Here’s this week’s song titles post;
With a PROCESSION of flags the opening CEREMONY of the World Cup was done.
There’s a TEMPTATION to think the yanks will be in total CONFUSION as real football SUB-CULTURE becomes the STATE OF THE NATION for a while.
But of course this tournament is a BIZARRE LOVE TRIANGLE with Mexico & Canada where soccer is less of a SHELLSHOCK.
Will Argentina be TOUCHED BY THE HAND OF GOD again & get away with MURDER?
Who will be THIEVES LIKE US-sneaking into the knockout stages?
It’s a FINE TIME for armchair sports fans with football going ROUND & ROUND on tv.
Whether you call your TRUE FAITH football or soccer, we’ll have the WORLD IN MOTION until the final on Sunday 19th July when Brazil win again and EVERYTHING’S GONE GREEN & yellow!
The following day-BLUE MONDAY-we can REGRET what might have been!