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So there are a couple post about the Value of the "Cats Are The Best Superdrop" but its all for the colonies (yes we still call you the colonies)

So here is a EU Edition. (all is the cheapest on Card Market in English language and sellers from Germany) IMPORTANT: Some cards jump hard in prize after the cheapest 5 or something, or are much cheaper from Greece or in French)

Secret Lair x Garfield: Motivationally Challenged

Rin and Seri, Inseparable 6,40€

Orim's Chant 4,89€

Ponder 1,60€

Beast Within 0,45€

Sol Ring 0,87€

Total: 14,21€

Secret Lair x Garfield: As Intended

Swords to Plowshares 1,18€

Counterspell 2€

Dark Ritual 1€

Earthquake 0,20€

Fog 0,08€

Total: 4,46€

Secret Lair x Garfield: Our Only Thought Is to Entertain You

It That Betrays 8,90€

Maddening Cacophony 4,00€

Maddening Hex 3,00€

Hunter's Insight 0,12€

Molten Collapse 0,08€

Total: 16,10€

Purr Majesty

Court of Grace 0,99€

Reverent Mantra 18,50€

Windborn Muse 0,15€

Queen Marchesa 0,30€

Ruinous Ultimatum 0,79€

Total: 20,73€

Witch's Familiar

Sheltered by Ghosts 1€

Spirit of the Hearth 0,10€

Witch Enchanter 3,90€

Wayfarer's Bauble 0,11€

Boseiju, Who Shelters All 4,75€

Total: 9,86€

FOR COMPARISON!!!!

Escape to the Wilds 0,04€

Rip Apart 0,05€

Titanic Ultimatum 1,20€

Arcane Signet 0,25€

Basilisk Collar 2€

Total: 3,54€

BUT AS CATS! (Secret Lair Drop Series: Chaos Vault: Cats Are Better Than Dogs)

Escape to the Wilds 12,99€

Rip Apart 4,80€

Titanic Ultimatum 7,39€

Arcane Signet 49,99€

Basilisk Collar 24,00€

Total: 99,17€

I personal think Purr Majesty and Secret Lair x Garfield: Motivationally Challenged will explode in the aftermarket

Months ago when the Dandân deck was sold, I remember reading in many parts that approximately 6000 units were sold. Since wotc won’t publicly disclose the productions numbers, how could someone knew how many Dandân decks were sold? Or was that fake data?

And if there’s a way to know, is there any information yet on how many Goblin Storm decks were sold?

Hey folks, is anyone else waiting for a shipping notification on their Goblin Storm deck?

I have sleeves on the way and a few upgrade cards already pulled, so I’m anxiously awaiting its arrival!

Repost cause I'm stupid and it's early morning and wrote Goblin drop.

​Following my big old post last week about the underhanded and deliberate moves at play for the Ice Cream drop, I went ahead and requested a cancellation which was promptly denied based on Ts and Cs. For those who've done it before, what buttons did you need to press to make it happen? 

Update: I asked that they escalate it to someone who can. ​They just side passed me and copied and pasted the same response. So gross. Can't chargeback because I've spent a lot of money on Arena, not up for getting my account deleted. ​

Hello first time buyer from the US was able to get a goblin storm precon, never got a secret lair before and I saw a gentleman that got it had cards from his precon missing, I’m super worried on getting a messed up copy. My question to the community is what is the chances I get a messed up copy?

Just opened my Black Lights & Dark Dungeons Lair and there were no cards in the sealed envelope. Absolutely raging.

I’ve been watching the fallout from the Goblin Storm Secret Lair and honestly this one hit differently. I’m a huge Wizard of Barge fan, so this was probably the Secret Lair release I was most excited for in a long time, and watching it immediately spiral into a resale frenzy was incredibly frustrating.

What really stood out to me wasn’t just that it sold out fast. It was how quickly the secondary market exploded. Within hours there were hundreds of flipped listings across multiple marketplaces at 2-4x MSRP, while tons of actual players were stuck in queues, failing checkout, or walking away empty-handed. Obviously this isn’t the only time this has ever happened but this was my breaking point…

Instead of making another angry “Wizards dropped the ball” post, I wanted to actually gather data and see what the numbers looked like. If Hasboro’s ultimate goal is to prop the rest of its failing company up with Wizards, we can arm ourselves with data we can actually point to a huge missed opportunity that shareholders can’t ignore. And HOPEFULLY get some change.

All of the data right now is from May 19th, I pulled together aftermarket data from eBay and TCGplayer to get a better idea of how big the resale wave actually was and what it says about the demand for this drop. I know this is a small sample size but it already speaks volumes about what was expected from this secret lair.

What I found

After filtering through all the listings:

• There were roughly 900–1,000 total visible aftermarket listings and sales
• Approximately 600–700 completed resale sales
• Approximately 250–300 active resale listings
• Aftermarket pricing consistently landed around $450–700+ with the median price being ~$500
• Across all of TCG players 25 listings they were only coming from 9 sellers, two of which were WPN sellers. 
• Many eBay sellers had multiple listings one I saw had 8 listings.
• This is not exclusive to NA as there were plenty of EU listings as well.

We already knew this but, this data STRONGLY points to scalpers enlisting bots to secure multiple despite the “one per person limit”. Unfortunately I don’t think Wizards will ever implement anything to seriously stop them.

>Based on the data I have alone, Wizards cost real players and benefited scalpers $250,000–$330,000+ above MSRP in the first ~36 hours due to the amount of after market sales. 

And that’s only using publicly visible listings. That doesn’t include LGS in store sales, Facebook groups, Discord and any future listings once scalpers have them in hand or stop holding them to drive up prices.

What can we do about it

1. Keep talking - Don’t be shut down by the “vocal minority” bullshit from scalpers and wizards bootlickers. I can tell from comment sections on plenty of influencers this is a few people missing out on something they would have really loved. This is not an isolated incident, this happens every time there is high profile secret liar drop. I want these products in the hands of the people for a reasonable price and not let people with more money and resources taking advantage of people who just want something they can enjoy.
2. Give feedback directly - Wizards Secret Lair team has a direct feedback from. Even if they filter them out they are already inundated with back order issues and poor quality feedback. The last thing they probably want is to have to triage more feedback. This could at least get them to make a public statement rather than let this one slide until this dies down. Feedback form - https://secretlair-support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
3. Help me with a survey - It’s a few questions, should only take a minute and will help me gather more data about how bad this actually is (if at all). All responses will be anonymous. Survey - https://forms.gle/MdWS2eXwieDrhbFq5
4. Engage and share this post - I’m not in this for Karma or anything but the more data that is out there and the more data I can collect will help finally paint a real picture on the impact that these terrible releases have.

Thank you all for taking the time to entertain this data nerd. And I you have anything else you have come across I would love to hear it.

TLDR;

Wizards obvious fucked us over but the numbers are kinda scary and cost real players an estimated $250,000 while benefiting scalpers the same amount.

EDIT Follow up edit because you all have been so engaged:

Really thank you all for the conversation. I really do enjoy it and tried to stay engaged. But I have a newborn, which is what afforded me a little bit of down time to do some research on this, and I am not able to engage as much as I'd like but I am reading. Just know, my goal is to take the feedback from the survey and combine it with more data from the fallout of this and come back to you. Data is fun, and its fun to discuss how we interpret these things.

• Thank you to all who have responded to the survey. We're over 200 responses! I appreciate you taking the time to submit this data and you experience. The form is and was never meant to be perfect just a small snapshot of a bigger picture.
• With that. I am not an analyst. More of a recreational data nerd. I work in UI/UX so I'm good at collecting data and making it digestible, not interpreting it unless it involves user flows. All the data I gathered is just to drive conversation, and the rest is just my point of view. But what it has done is opened a door to see how different people interpret and execute on these secret lairs. It's also a little cathartic to hear people talking about similar let down by this.
• Lastly, After reading some of the conversations here I probably would write things a little differently but I want to stay true to how I felt in the moment and not go back and edit anything to soften my point of view just yet. Just know I am seeing the different sides. But I still remain steadfast on the player base continues to pay for Wizards poor preparation of these Secret Lair since they switched to limited run.

Thank you again, OP

I'm just curious what people's plans are that did get the lair and do plan on playing it. On paper, I see the potential but it looks like it could use a lot of improvement.

There seems to be main three routes to go (for me, anyways): 1) Keep it the same and play as is, 2) Keep Zada as the commander and optimize it, or 3) Make Krenko the commander.

1. I can't see myself doing this. There are a handful of cards that just scream to be replaced. To be competitive in the pods I play, it has to change. Cross this one out for me.

2. Zada as commander seems the most interesting. Not as many people play it, and in the perfect scenario I think it can be the most devasting. The key issues is that if kept mostly goblin, I'd be handicapping myself. There are simply better cards for Zada's abilities, and he doesn't care whether they are goblins or not. The second issue is that Krenko would be part of the 99. He's one of the most powerful gobbo's out there, so it's likely in most situations he is activating once or twice at most before dying in a deck without recursion. You have to get lucky to draw him or tutor him, and then he dies.

3. Krenko as commander. Feels like the most consistent one to use. He can also be used multiple times, as long as there is enough mana to bring him back the next turn. Optimizing this deck would allow the deck to stay the least changed (and affordable), but it's also a commander that is one of the more common ones.

At least this is how I see it. Anyone made any definite plans or have recommendations? This would be my first goblin commander deck.