hey all, i’m currently working through some adaptations of Israfel/TROA for some public ritual work, and i’m consistently running into problems trying to find examples of the “banishing/invoking spiral dance” thats mentioned in both. could anyone give me guidance on how I could perform such aspects of these rituals?
Former South Korean president Yoon Suk Yeol once performed what I think is an almost textbook example of a ritual on live television.
For those who don't know the background, this happened before Yoon became president.
During the presidential primary, he appeared in three televised debates with the Chinese character 王 written on the palm of his hand. 王 literally means “king.”
And he didn't exactly go out of his way to hide it. It was right there, visible to the cameras.
This was actually a pretty risky thing to do politically. South Korea's conservative camp has a large Christian voter base, and anything that looks remotely like shamanism or folk magic can become a serious liability. Sure enough, his opponents immediately attacked him over it, framing the mark as some kind of shamanistic or occult practice, and the whole thing became a national news story.
Yoon's explanation was basically that a supporter had written it on his hand for good luck and that he had tried, unsuccessfully, to wipe it off.
But here's the strange part: it happened three times.
Once could be dismissed as a weird accident. Three times is harder to explain away, especially when doing something like this carried a real political risk. It could easily have alienated Christian voters for good.
And yet he did it anyway.
He won the primary, and not long afterward, a man who had spent almost his entire career as a prosecutor and had only just entered politics became president of South Korea.
I see this as a ritual—or, more specifically, as an almost perfect example of what Aleister Crowley called the Magical Link.
He didn't just sit in a room, light some candles, chant a mantra, and hope for the universe to do the rest.
He wrote the word “KING” on his own body and then immediately stepped into the actual material arena where that intention could become reality: a nationally televised political debate.
That, to me, is the important part.
The symbol wasn't left inside the ritual space. He created a bridge between the symbol and the real-world mechanism through which his goal could actually be achieved.
That's what makes it such a fascinating example of magic in action.
But the story gets even stranger.
Yoon was eventually impeached and removed from office after declaring martial law under circumstances that are still, in my opinion, one of the strangest episodes in modern Korean political history.
His own explanation was that he wanted to investigate alleged election fraud and secure evidence from the election authorities. The justification seemed so abrupt and disconnected from reality that even people in his own political camp struggled to defend it, while foreign media spent months trying to come up with a coherent explanation for why he had done it at all.
And this is where the story becomes Crowleyan in a completely different way.
I think Yoon's downfall can also be read as a case of ego inflation.
There is a dangerous point in magical thinking where the magician stops thinking, “I can influence reality,” and starts thinking, “My will is reality.”
Once you begin to believe that your own conviction is enough to override every external limit, every institution, every warning, and every piece of contradictory evidence, you are no longer exercising will.
You are trapped inside it.
Maybe that's the real lesson here.
The man who wrote “KING” on his hand actually became president.
And then, at some point, he may have started believing too deeply in his own power.
That is usually where the ritual ends badly.
Okay this is going to be long, but it comes from a place of genuine frustration of the occult influencers who are a cancer on our religious movements.
She constantly lies, painting herself out to be a victim when she isn’t one at all. For example, she is actually a racist because a.) she follows white supremacists on her Twitter (at this very moment by the way) and b.) she is still friends with someone who was outed as a Nazi (Outlaw Priestess, except she’s changed her username lol) now…why are you hanging out with a Nazi still? Also, the constant changing of the story of her supposed Discord screenshots. First allegedly “it was a joke guys!!! a meme!!!!” to now: “it was fake made up screenshots” WHICH IS IT EXACTLY?
Just like she lies about her family’s religion and when she started her spiritual journey. She constantly changes the timeline of her journey, and the fact her family is either “religious” one day and “not really but I just somehow memorized the Bible and told my friends verses from it teehee”. Again, really do a deep dive and you’ll notice this too. It took me a single day of watching her videos on tiktok/ and seeing her comments on her own posts to realize she’s nothing more than a liar.
Men who are practicing Thelema/magicians/pagans anre actual practioners, Georgina. That’s why they criticize you. Not because “I’m a woman, boohoo!!” we actually respect a lot of other women on YouTube, and book authors, and occultists who were women.
We will NOT respect you, because you’re despicable.
I have proof from other practitioners and people who are known that she’s also mentally unstable and tried to hide the truth via harassment. As well as proof from the other things I’ve mentioned in this post.
All proof can easily be found on Facebook, Twitter, TikTok and other sources. Just look at the comment sections for anything involving her.
She apparently is oh so bothered by this…but she feeds into it every single fucking day. I’m not sure if anyone else notices this, but she mostly cares about her own looks in posts and videos rather than anything of solid value. In fact, if you look at her fashion page you can 100% tell she edits all her photos and uses filters to appear prettier than she actually is. Don’t believe me? Look at all of her earlier videos on her TikTok. Completely different looking person. In fact, I’ve seen her filter glitching out in a video. Again, pay attention to this. She is extremely vain and materialistic clearly, and again…we *all* know you dress a certain way to appeal to older conservative men probably because you like their attention. So stop whining about it and go get your grifter money, girl.
Even making a post addressing this current drama is feeding into it. If she’s genuinely bothered by it, then why are you giving people more ammunition to call you out on your bullshit? It’s quite apparent she loves feeding into drama. I mean, just look at some recent videos and her posts on them, it’s “teehee this is SO controversial!!!” Do you have anything else to talk about to you know…help people actually learn something or...?
It’s literally her job to talk to men (because let’s be real, its probably mostly a bunch of strange lonely men who join her Patreon for Wikipedia level information) and why she only ever seems to have men on her podcasts who know a boatload more information than she could.
Also…she used AI to write her book(s). Which if you look in the comment section of reviews videos of her book…became quite apparent as well as being pointed out by others harassed by her. Also, people obviously are critical of what she says because simply…she doesn’t know what she’s talking about.
She *could* get off the internet and you know…get a real job but why would she when money is oh so easy to obtain? Clearly she has wealthy parents (look at the expensive clothes and jewelry she wears even back then on TikTok) so she’s probably accustomed to having everything just handed to her easily.
Free trips according to Trova for influencers…no wonder she likes hosting them. She doesn’t have to spend a single penny, while you simps hand her money just to send messages. Perhaps I should be grifter as well…
No Georgina, YOU ARE NOT IMPORTANT when it comes to getting occult information. We can all do that by reading books and watching the videos of people who ACTUALLY know what they’re talking about.
For someone who claims to have read SO many occult books (again, TikTok)…why do you keep repeating the SAME topics over and over again? When there’s SO MANY things you could be talking about, and so many new occult books?
Is this bitch actually stupid? No one with a functioning brain believes her at all! I am so fucking tired of these influencer types trying to be the face of Thelema, a religious movement that I hold so dear because it’s my way of life.
People like this brainless broad gives us all a bad name. I’ve had it.
And all of you men who are more than likely lonely incels…you are painfully aware that defending her won’t make her turn around and fuck you, right? She will NEVER care about you and she will NEVER notice you.
Also watch her chronically online ass try to address this. Fucking dare you, Georgina!
By the way does anyone know if Wolly is willing to do an interview? Interested in her showing all of her proof. Her comment was in the comment section of a Chaos Magick News video.
I know some people disagree with Da’at but posting her on a FB group and talking shit about her without her knowledge behind a computer screen to a bunch of other miserable people is just taking it too far honestly, especially when you’re grown ass adults this is some middle school behavior. Real Thelemites wouldn’t act in such a way. I had nowhere else to go to report this as FB doesn’t do anything to help remove scum like this.
Edit: oh I’m sorry that I’m trying to stop some idiots from continuing to be toxic. If nobody does anything they will just get bolder about their harassment and toxic behavior.
93 my fellow Thelemite fam so before I decide to spend a decent amount of money on this book I need to know if it’s helpful for understanding Thelema on a much deeper level. The book is called “path to the invisible house” does it have good information and praxis on Thelema? 93/93 93
If you’re unassuaged of purpose, how can you manifest or accomplish anything? Maybe I’m misunderstanding but I’m asking for help getting to the bottom of it. Excuse my ignorance, I’m a Thelema noob.
I've been studying the invoking and banishing pentagrams of the elements. One of the first things I noticed is that the invoking and banishing pentagrams of air and water are the same but reversed. This seems to me to be due to the desire for the invoking and banishing pentagrams of spirit not to overlap with any of the "lesser elements".
My question then is this: why do the invoking and banishing pentagrams of spirit not use the point of spirit as a direct starting point, as is the case with the lesser elements. Any insight is greatly appreciated.
Liber O vel Manus et Sagittae sub figurâ VI Daily Ritual Training Routine Hope someone will find it helpful.
Before launching into this make sure you can do your Asana and pranayama practice for an hour.
Daily Core Routine
LRP (Invoking).
Evening: LRP (Banishing).
Weekly Morning & Evening Program
Monday (Luna / Water)
Morning: Core routine + GRP (Water Invoking)
Evening: Core routine + LRH (Invoking) + GRH (Moon) + LRH (Banishing).
Tuesday (Mars / Fire)
Morning: Core routine + GRP (Fire Invoking)
Evening: Core routine + LRH (Invoking) + GRH (Mars) + LRH (Banishing).
Wednesday (Mercury / Earth)
Morning: Core routine + GRP (Earth Invoking).
Evening: Core routine + LRH (Invoking) + GRH (Mercury) + LRH (Banishing).
Thursday (Jupiter / Air)
Morning: Core routine + GRP (Air Invoking).
Evening: Core routine + LRH (Invoking) + GRH (Jupiter) + LRH (Banishing).
Friday (Venus / Water)
Morning: Core routine + GRP (Water Invoking).
Evening: Core routine + LRH (Invoking) + GRH (Venus) + LRH (Banishing).
Saturday (Saturn / Spirit)
Morning: Core routine + GRP (Spirit Active & Passive).
Evening: Core routine + LRH (Invoking) + GRH (Saturn) + LRH (Banishing).
Sunday (Sol / All Elements Synthesis)
Morning: Core routine + Full GRP (All Four Quarters)
Evening Core routine + LRH (Invoking) + GRH (Sun & Zodiacal Sign of the Season) + LRH (Banishing).
Rules for the GRP Integration
Use Spirit pentagram & Portal signs Always open a quarter in the GRP with the appropriate Spirit Pentagram (Active or Passive) before tracing the specific elemental pentagram.
Equilibrium: If an element feels overwhelming during the day, use the GRP (Element Banishing) for that specific quarter during your night routine.
I just had the most life altering experience and the only thing that saddens me is that I did not discover this earlier in life. I am so excited I want to share this with as many as possible.
Yesterday I was added to a Mother and Daughter union to form a Triad. It was a surprise to me but once I realized they (now we are) pagans, everything now makes sense. The original head of the hearth passed away unexpectedly. So now I see that I was targeted by the daughter to be added. We three enjoyed each other for 72 consecutive hours. Every conceivable variant of coitus was explored. I am familiar with every inch of both their bodies and they mine. It was the experience of a lifetime. Once a day my prostate was "milked" via fellatio and the vast amount of ejaculate (semen, etc.) was carefully preserved. Also the plethora of vaginal secretions (from both donors) were also carefully collected. It was determined that mother and daughter both approved of my performance both physically and spiritually. I was approached with the proposition of completing a triad with them. The Daughter, 20 plus years my junior, (unbeknownst to me) chose me but had to attain the approval of her Mother, (5 months my senior) hence the 72 hour "interview". It is my understanding that the ritual performed signifies that all three of us are now bonded (married) to the other individuals within the Triad. It was explained to me that the my primary focus is that both Mother & Daughter expect to be pregnant in short order. It's actually quite possible that one if not both have already conceived do to the excessive amount of activity that transpired over the past few days. It now makes perfect sense why both insisted that zero birth control would be used or deployed. It has come to my knowledge that both Mother and Daughter were ovulating when the 72 hour session began. Both are acutely in tune with their respective bodies. The mixture of fluids collected was used to anoint the three of us at the beginning of the Skyclad Triad Bonding Ritual. I applied the life giving fluids to the neck, shoulders, nipples, navel/perineum area and inside the vaginal labia of the Daughter & Mother. The Daughter then anointed me with the fluids around my neck, shoulders, chest, and genitals (shaft, penis head & testicles). The remaing fluid was partitioned into 3 ounce portions. Great care was taken NOT to waste any of the fluid. Once the 3 ounce portions were added to one of three chalices any remaining fluid was then used to finally anoint each of our foreheads. To each chalice was added 3 drops of blood from each of us and 3 ounces of red wine. A crystal spoon was used to incorporate the aforementioned components. At this point the chanting started. I was advised to repeat the chant to the best of my ability. I was informed that the chanting would be conducted in an ancient language. After 33 chants, we paused and the three of us drank from the first chalice. Great care was taken that not one drop was wasted and that the entire potion was consumed. This continued two more times for a total of 99 chants and 3 potions consumed. The ceremony ended and both Mother & Daughter addressed me directly each altenatig portions of the closing remarks. To the best of my recollection they said: "Welcome Master to the hearth you are now Kindred... We were three before the circle was broken and we were lost. We have been delivered from oblivion and are three once more" It was a very moving experience. The Triad, from what I can tell, is new for them as well because the Daughter was not an equal partner obviously when her dad was alive. Mistress advised me that within the hearth they pretty much practice 100% skyclad daily unless we have uninitiated visitors to the hearth and even more so now that the goal is to have both of them pregnant as soon as possible. I did mention that if they were both ovulating, there's very little chance, in my opinion, that they aren't both already expecting. Even though it was emphasized that we are all three equals in this marriage and the expectation is that we are to make ourselves "accessable" to each other at all times which is why zero coverings are permitted within the hearth. It seems as if I am being partered up with the Daughter primarily. I was assigned the bedroom (where my alter is) adjacent to the Daughter's bedroom. The two rooms are joined by a shared bathroom. In my time in the hearth so far prior to the ceremony and thus far, the three of us typically sleep/nap/recover in the same bed but the Daughter & I are in each other's company at all times. Ever since we met there was a definite deep connection between us. I was intrigued by her knowledge for being so young. I never imagined this though. I had hoped we could become friends but didn't anticipate any more due to the age gap. There's a sparkle in her eyes that is truly inspiring to me. I am certainly closer in age to Mistress (The Mother), I can tell it warmed her heart when during the ceremony I picked up on this title and started addressing her that way, she broke character and gave me a bright smile & a wink. That said, it seems that she is still working through her grief and the passing of my predecessor. I never thought that I would be able to forge such a strong bond with someone so young. Seriously a Gen X'er with a Zoomer, I would have never believed in my wildest dreams. There's not a moment when we aren't cutting up and bonding over all of our mutual interests. She misses her dad immensely and says she felt like her stability had been taken from her. Her dad would sing to her and he was her best friend. She said when her and I met she felt like she was home again. She says I make her feel invincible. I've cried with both but mostly with the Daughter since we are kinda inseparable. We share everything, meals, dreams, aspirations, life goals, affection, physical attraction, spiritual connection. It's really beautiful and I feel honored to have been chosen. The Daughter is looking forward to motherhood and has mentioned how she wants multiple children and maybe even a set of twins hopefully. I intend to give both of mynew partners everything their hearts desire including all the babies they want. I too am looking forward to fatherhood (again). Also excited to embark on my own spiritual journey. Thanks in advance for any advice, thoughts, support, etc... (I omitted names for privacy)
Hello :) i'll bé in Cornwall from the 18th to the 25th august, i would love to meet english brothers and sisters.. i'm 36F from paris.
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Do you guys fully believe the story of how Crowley and his wife just happened to mystically find the stele of revealing and then write the book of the law, if it's true it should be like a Egyptian revival but thelema doesn't seem anything like that to me, though thelema is pretty confusing and so is crowley in general. So what's your opinions was Crowley truly a chosen prophet or just some nutty guy who knew a lot about religions and made his own.
Just wondering, why are the UK based O.T.O groups are soo black and white compared to USA ones? I find it interesting seeing lodge pictures on social media from the USA. I do prefer the English approach due to the fact of privacy & ^secrecy^. Almost gives a feel like the real work gets done in the UK while in USA they just cosplay. This is all just a thought bubble please no one take offence. Much love to everyone.
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Which yoga pose you need to master to do bowl test and which degree this test happens?
93 I was wondering if there are any online Thelemic communities that have genuine Thelemites that are passionate for the religion? I could use a mentor to help me understand difficult concepts and rituals. I tried discord communities but they were very standoffish and arrogant armchair occultists, which made it difficult to attain a greater understanding of said religion. If you could help I would greatly appreciate it. 93/93 93
93,
I’ve been thinking about “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law” from a slightly different angle, and I’m curious how other Thelemites would approach this.
What if there is no True Will hidden somewhere underneath conditioning, ego, desire, fear, social pressure, etc. that needs to be discovered?
What if only Will exists?
Not free will. I’m not suggesting there is some autonomous “I” standing outside causality, freely choosing between possibilities.
I mean something closer to this:
There is no self that has Will. The self is an expression of Will.
Desire is Will. Resistance is Will. Conditioning is Will. The attempt to overcome conditioning is Will. Confusion about your Will is itself Will. Even attempting to act “against” your Will would just be Will manifesting as conflict with itself.
Under that interpretation, the usual formulation:
self → discovers True Will → performs True Will
would collapse into:
Will → manifests as self, thought, desire, conflict, action, consequence
There is nothing outside of it from which we could judge whether Will is occurring correctly. You don’t discover Will because the act of searching for it was already Will.
That makes “Do what thou wilt” almost an ontological statement rather than an instruction.
You cannot do anything other than Will because there is nothing other than Will.
And then I start wondering what this does to:
“Love is the law, love under will.”
If Love is union, then perhaps Love isn’t something that restrains or corrects Will either. It is Will expressing itself through the dissolution or overcoming of apparent separateness.
Philosophically, this seems somewhere around monistic or absolute voluntarism, with obvious echoes of Schopenhauer, but I’m interested specifically in how well it can be reconciled with Thelema.
Does Thelema actually require a meaningful distinction between True Will and everything that obscures it?
Or could True Will be understood more radically as the recognition that there was never anything but Will in the first place?
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I’ve been trying to figure out instructions on the greater ritual of the pentagram and finding it a little infuriating and confusing haha (Book 4 instructions seem barely instructions at all).
Should we:
A) invoke all the elements in turn (active spirit, air, active spirt, fire etc) and then later banish them?
B) Are we meant to use it to invoke/banish just one specific element ie. just fire in the south (with the invoking active spirit) AND do we ignore the other elements and their quarters or do we banish those other elements in turn (do we also perform banishing versions of the spirit pentagrams)
At the moment I’m just learning/practicing, so I’m thinking I should invoke in the morning and banish in the evening
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
In Perpetuity Publishing, being an imprint of The Grand Lodge of Australia, Ordo Templi Orientis has published a new book. Baphomet: Guardian of the Key to the Temple. It has a lot of relevant content to Thelema, in particular the OTO and A∴A∴
Yes, this is functionally an advertisement, but it is also a book that may interest a number of people. And no, I am not the author.
It is available in a perfect-bound paperback and also in a hardback edition.
From some of the blurb of the book:
>Baphomet has long stood at the crossroads of mystery, symbolism, and spiritual inquiry. In this thought-provoking work, Joel offers a scholarly yet deeply reflective exploration of Baphomet’s history, symbolism, and evolving modern interpretations as both an archetypal and spiritual figure.
More details on the book, and links to various online retailers that are currently stocking the book (including non-Amazon):
To find it on your local Amazon, you can use these links (none of the links have affiliate tags attached to them; I did grab them from the website, though)
Love is the law, love under will.
The Book of the Law (Liber AL vel Legis)
"I am the Snake that giveth Knowledge & Delight and bright glory, and stir the hearts of men with drunkenness."
Anyone interested in the concept of invocation for each of the twenty two keys of the tarot? Does it already exist within the writings and rituals of thelema?
Hello... er, um, 93! I'm as green as Ireland on the subject, but this entire sub is pulling me. What is a good way to catch up quickly, so to speak? I wanna know it all, but I'm not a "reader". Please be gentle?
