r/throneofglassseries

Thinking about trying Zodiac Academy next. Any thoughts/recommendations? I’m sooo over most booktok/booktube recs lol. I’ve read so many overhyped books recently and nothing has really captured my attention like ToG did. :(

And I just do not care about these witches!!! I don’t know if I’m meant to like Manon or not, but I don’t enjoy every second or third chapter focusing on her. I’m guessing they become more important to the plot overall, especially with the whole Wyvern thing, but honestly I’m rushing through these chapters to get back to Calaena, Chaol, and Dorian’s perspectives (and Sorscha, love that cutie!)

For context i was on camping trip happily reading TOD when this occurred. Everyone was packing up and getting ready to leave, i asked them to wait one more minute so i can finish the chapter before we go to get breakfast. Suddenly one of the guys in the group starts poking fun saying it a smut book, which should not matter in the slightest as we are all in our mid 20s. I responded and said actually this book is really tame and I started talking about how good of a series it is. Well.. they decided to look up all the “spicy scenes” like the >!beach scene in EOS!> and were passing the phone around reading it out loud and laughing and laughing about it. I asked them to stop reading out loud since it didn’t want any spoilers but I eventually grabbed the phone to see what everyone was making a big fuss about. These people are a part of a group of friends and we are all decently close and tend to poke fun at each other at times. But this felt different, i cant help feeling like this is inherently misogynistic. Like no one bats an eye at game of thrones, busty ladies in video games or even men watching porn for that matter. Why is it something women enjoy that has sex scenes in it so taboo?? Even if it was smut which i also read on occasion we are all adults and i honestly felt embarrassed by the end of it as some of the women were laughing too. Anyway id thought id share this here cuz i know y’all will understand my annoyance.

I know the tandem read has some fierce supporters and opponents, but I wanted to offer an alternative. Especially on a reread when spoilers aren't a thing, has anyone read ToD and then EoS?

I'm about to finish up a reread of QoS and was considering doing this. What do all you lovely people think? Pros? Cons?

Hi. I just posted an ai picture my chat gpt made of Lysandra and Arobynn. I had no idea that it was against the rules when I posted it or how tacky it was gonna come off that I would do such a thing. I was just curious how ai would depict their character and thought to stir up some conversation whether people thought it was accurate or not or whatever. But ya. Sorry Throne of Glass fans 🩷

Okay. I have to confess. I don't get the love for the couple Doraian and Sorscha. It is absolutley my personal opinion, and I don't want to attack anyone who loves the ship.

I never felt as if his love for her was truly deep. For me, Sorscha seemd to be just a nice distraction for Dorian, the same as he had so many women before her. He gets described as a playboy, and for me, this relationship read like a nice time he would have whith any girl he liked.
The only thing that made it special, is that she was killed. So it was never eternal love, but trauma and guilty feelings towards her death.

hello firehearts. this is a follow up post to my ACOTAR reaction. well it's been two months, i'm done with finals, and i have made it through (which is ~160 hours of audiobooks not counting relistens). my overall thoughts, it was a good series. definitely a big tonal shift from acotar, and some of the actual writing felt like it needed another pass with an editor, but i almost feel the books exist in 3 different groups, tog by itself. com+hof+qos as one story. and then eos+tod+koa as the final in the trilogy. where AB falls into that is left as an exercise for the reader.

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Throne of Glass:

this book definitely didn't grab me right away, and it wasn't until the murders started happening that i really cared about the story. having gone back now and relistened a few time, especially after later books, there are soooo many easter eggs throughout this book. i think it's good, not great, but def not my least favorite of the bunch. sjm does some, imo, lazy writing in a few scenes where instead of describing or listing something she'll just say it was listed. like the books chaol likes to read, or when dory teaches celly how to play pool. and going from the fuck fest that was silver flames to this was a culture shock.

• hey really thought THE ASSASSIN would be confused by walking around in circles? bush league 
• the prince finds me hot and sexy even though im dirty? you don’t say 
• oh this is a working trial. unpaid
• “why can’t i just be champion?” “because why would a king trust an assassin?” honestly fair point 
• she’s 18, skinny, and she’s gonna save her people 
• “you’re a criminal. i’m a captain of the royal guard” oh are they gonna fuck? 
• she’s too beautiful. and too good at killing. all the other assassins were jealous of her. 
• “you must be…?” “<insert real name>” “keep that to yourself miss” YOU ASKED HER?
• ohhhh dorian has daddy issues
• oh your highness has a big HEART? hmmmmmm is she gonna fuck dorian?
• uh oh our girl is in a skinny off with miss 16 inch waist 
• “my mother must be writhing in her grave… i wonder who she is” “your mother?” okay that was a good one nameless flankie
• “i need my pipe. i feel a headache coming on” okay i love this diva. idc if she’s a villain
• gf are you really trying to commit sloppy broad daylight murder on your first day here? i thought you were the best of the best?
• dorian’s little fanfic about her being a jewel thief is so fucking stupid i love it. he’s weird 
• “bill the eye eater” ate the eyes of his victims. oh. okay. florals for spring? ground breaking
• no but chaol a good point about her not putting a target on her back. like in survivor. you shouldn’t win a bunch of tasks 
• <corrects someone’s grammar> “watch your mouth” okay that feels like an over reaction 
• dorian is too much of a slut for this princess 
• “she thought about telling him to shut up” this girl does not give a fuck
•  “i hate fish” “that’s surpising” oh is he gonna make a lesbian joke or something? “why” “bc you smell like one” diabolical 
• someone not eating the eye eaters eyes seems like a missed opportunity 
• dorian has daddy issues AND mommy issues 
• the eye eater was treated like a jackolatern and dorian is like “it was probably just a drunk brawl” okay buddy 
• nice dichotomy of dorian and captain of guard watching her sleep and dorian being like “she’s no killer” and what’s his face being like “there’s a killer deep within her” also are those two gonna fight over her? chaol brought her a present???
• dark lord Erewhon. los angeles influences are the villain 
• CSI Otterland. this is like if Nancy Drew was a hot 18 year old assassin
• chaol had her “walking on her hands and juggling swords during practice” so… circus shit? she’s training for the big top?
• “for once i’m not destroying, i’m creating”
• elena is actually annoying. she is unhelpful and purposefully obscure. she is at the bottom of my Abby Lee Dance Company pyramid
• i do lowkey feel bad for Kaltain. or is she gonna be a mega baddie? the headaches are concerning.
• cain was upping his roids every day. not natty. get a hormone test in here.
• okay i feel like everyone was too casual about cain grabbing his throat and running away, hopping like a rabbit?
• oh she’s smoking OPIUM? OH MY GIRL she loves a downer
• dorian is like “why were you an assassin? what was your life like before you were assassin? tell me all your childhood trauma????” bro read the room. things were obviously not going great for her
• this girl is having a bad period and cpt of the guard is like “the brutality of the slaughter of the rebels makes me sick too” lmaoooo
• when she catches nehemiah reading in the library “what are you reading?” “nothing” “i thought you were an illiterate bitch?”
• i do feel like homegirl should be sharing more about what is happening. she is holding onto a LOT of information
• i have to give it to SJM. she’s like what’s the ultimate FOMO for these loner 19 year old girls? a big ass party. 
• “you should name the dog Gold…ie” “that’s a fucking stupid name. i’m going to name her… Fleet Foot” celener, that’s a fucking stupid name 
• when she left the ball while dorian was getting a drink and then dorian is waiting for her at her door… that dude RAN down the halls. you was probably out of breath and sweaty. 
• girl you are in trouble. nothing good came of this. you were ready to kiss the captains guard and then you just made out with dorian. and capt is outside watching her!!!!! omg that is embarrassing “she never bothered to look below” 
• sorry princess nehemiah. celly Keyser Söze’d you and i also thought you were an evil witch. so we both need to apologize to you
• oh no. my 16 inch waist, opium queen is taking the fall.
• i’m honestly surprised it took this long for nehemiah to be targeted by the king so obviously. she is clearly not there in good faith. 
• there is truly a crazy power dynamic between dorian and celly
• look i get her not wanting to continue fucking with dorian. but it does look bad lol i’m on her side!! she is right but this is a bad situation 
• i just feel so bad that my 16 inch waist sugar baby diva got PLAYED by that crusty dusty nasty old man

 

ALM Pyramid:
top: chocolate cake.
middle: 16 inch waist baddie - yulemas.
bottom: being jealous of your best friends new hookup - the prison industrial complex

Crown of Midnight:

this book was pretty much non-stop fun for me. i loved the story line, i loved how everything progressed and so many big pieces of info were exposed. my only issue is that i'm bad with names so the end reveal actually meant nothing to me. i was like "who is that?" and had to go back into my notes to see what the big deal was. but this book had it all, romance, heartbreak, plans upon plans, and my girl kaltain was a scene stealer as always.

• the king DEF knows nehemiah is a spy. she doesn’t hide it. and i bet the last name on that little list he gives you is your own name. 
• cain is gonna come back duncan idaho style?
• “he loved her so much that she still felt the echoes of it”
• i love mort. i love whimsy. i love magic. i love personification of inanimate objects  
• dorian and celly coming to blows at the dinner is like early season VPR vibes. honestly this whole court drama is like peak VPR. i miss vpr. they don’t make em like they used to. kaltain is lala
•  LOOK. I KNOW CALTRAIN WAS A BAD(die) in the last book but i do feel for her and she’s being abused in the prison. i truly feel awful thinking of her down there. like just kill her or send her away. but they wanna use her
• my girl int eh prison talking about mirrors…. the book is crown of mirrors… hmmmmm. (editors note it wasn't until my second listen that i realized it's MIDNIGHT not mirrors. but mirrors feels better tbh because mirrors are brought up like a lot)
• “for once the right person was in prison” gf you killed ppl for a living. you did lowkey belong in a prison 
• girl how fucking gullible are you? this dude is like “oh no. i’m NOT. traitor. nothing close. but i do know a bunch of them and could give you info. but remember im not one of them” 
• chaol and celly: from enemies to friends to coworkers to lovers 
• dory and celly: enemies to employee to lovers back to employee and friend
• you’re gonna invite this lady to sing for you and then behead her?!?! that’s inhospitable
• i would just be immediately obsessed with Mort. he reminds me of the guys in Labrityh 
• i like the call back of Chaol watching her dance on her balcony after she kissed dorian for the first time on yulemas and Dorian watching her and chaol dance while she’s on watch duty. she’s a shite guard btw 
• side note: it just now occurs to me that i have been confusing courtesan and courtier. so in silver flames when cass is asked to be a courtier i did think rhys was asking him to have sex with someone. 
• oh nehemiah clocked dorian’s powers and then he immediately erupted like a sleeper agent lmao
• oooop nehemiah is on the kings kill list. tbh she really wasn’t being discrete. but her and dorian would be cute. they could run off together?? 
• why are we trusting roland so easily? you can’t play a player dorian. 
• why wouldn’t dorian want to tell celly about his magic? she obviously wouldn’t be grossed out by it. 
• oh no carnie trash is coming to town
• “what would a man who smells of the Silver Lake do to an old crone like me?” oh so he smells like a hipster??
• baba yellowleg is a FOUL name 
• the whole birthday horse gift, celly being like we have a romantic dinner planned scene is SO WEIRD. there is so much tension between all of three of them. like y’all need to be a throuple because you each have a crush on the other 2. 
• so what would have happened if she touched the wall? does she teleport out? is she freed? is she the new king? like did i miss the explanation for this? i can’t google it because i’ll for sure get some fuck ass spoiler 
• “i’ve sleep in worst places [than the couch]” “i think my worst places is worse than yours” did that make you feel better saying that celly? was it necessary? do you always need to one up someone when they make an innocent comment? 
• dorian is so desperate he’s doing genealogical research like a kid in 5th grade during the ellis island module 
• “it’s the fae woman’s garden from rena goldsmiths song” hey qq, has anyone checked on her? no? seen any heads rolling around? 
• im not slut shaming and it has been a good decade since i lost my virginity but it is lowkey wild to have sex for the first time the very night yall express your feelings for each other. a lack of foreplay imo
• “It was him before they ever met. “that’s interesting that’s weird. I wonder if that will come up again.
• “we can’t tell Dorian [about us fucking and being in love]" well to be frank, dorian is going through his little Harry Potter arch so he is a little busy rn 
• “customers who have questions during lunch pay double” baba yellow leg, do you have that policy in writing because it sounds like you just made it up 
• “he imagined that this is how every night for the rest of his life would be” Honey, you’ve got a big storm coming 
• whenever a broken girl starts talking about being happy and looking forward to the future you just KNOW things are about to get really bad 
• “his soul was bound to her by some unbreakable chain”
• bro chaol is a bit on my nerves. he’s lowkey a loser. who gets got in the woods like that? while fantasizing about your trad life? 
• omg first dorian is doing his magic research, then celly brings her fucking DOG into the library to terrorize the scholars and now chaol is hiding from his family and employees in there? this is a mess
• so you want me to ask how would cellener know a dirge for royals in the faerie language but i’m not the judgemental 
• oh no. roland has headaches. he’s the next victim. they always target sluts :/
• “do you know how many young women i have trapped in this wagon in the last 500 years?” PREDATOR ALERT. WHERE IS CHRIS HANSON?
• chaos is just like such normal dude and every time he sees her there is some new weird shit going on with her. new ancient blades, new languages, new curses, etc
• CUT THIS BITCHES ARCHERS HEAD OFF RN bro im pissed what a loser. every man in this series is a low life 
• evil bisexuals
• yeah archer just could not help himself. was he even a good courtesan? he is a button pusher. 
• chaol is such a little boy. he never really loved her. as soon as she showed pain, anger, power he immediately gets the ick and can’t hang

 

ALM Pyramid:
top: mort.
middle: baba yellowleg until she went nutso - creepy library.
bottom: PTSD - losing your virginity an then trying to kill the dude a week later - accidentally discovering you’re magic in front of your bigot father 

The AB:

now i read this 3rd. i can see how this would work in a myriad of placements. the problem for me is that i can't remember shit so some of these things coming back up later were lost on me. also, this book is so fucking sad when you already know where she's going to end up. i have not listened to this. it put me in such a bad mood just because of how sad i was.

• “do i detect belladonna :)” canonically you do not 
• oh she poisoned her right after being like “you’re my friend and i really like you” wow that’s fucking rough
• “what’s your name?” “wind, bone, dust.” babe that’s cringe
• sam is dumb and has only ever really came in clutch once 
• tbh they have kind of botched every job of there’s for the past 6 months so why did they think they could pull this off? and don’t you think it’s really suspicious timing that you get an offer like that right after you break up with assassin king?
• y’all should not be publicly arguing about who gets to kill who like this
• no but ass king has a good point and this is an obvious set up
• the weird father love with the ass king thing. yuck
• "the only secret in my entire life is that i love you." LAME. try again
• “use your head celena!” too bad she is allergic to critical thinking.

 

ALM Pyramid:

everyone is on the bottom except for the mute ass king and the girl from the tavern. even celly is on the bottom. 

Heir of Fire:

okay this is my least favorite book because of the wendlyn storyline. too bad this is such an important book for setting up the future plots. i really enjoyed the boys back at the castle, and manon. but i find rowan to be such a one note character and i don't care about him at all.

• she pioneered quiet quitting
• the men in this book are all hoes. for the streets. 
• i like how fucking nosey and lowkey judgmental sorscha is. she’d be my bff cause she has all the hot gossip
• the demi fae talk about rowan like he’s regina george lmao
• “i’ve been 10x as nasty for 10x as long” oh we’re in a nasty off 
• chaol is once again not very good at his job? he is always getting kidnapped by these people 
• oh celly and rowan are gonna fuck because he is out here BITING her and shifting and she’s like “why isn’t he naked??” 
• “i won’t be biting you again” okay buddy. sure. i bet you will NEVER bit her again… also aren’t y'all related? 
• what would be more embarrassing: your magic erupts in front of the nurse you’re flirting with or you cum in your pants in front of the mean sister of your high lady? look these books are really sad. i need to find some levity some where. 
• oh manon is turned on by this wyvern
• “blanks whore” means that person is a double agent and is in fact, NOT blanks lackey. 
• this guy sounds like he is really obsessed with his cousin he hasn’t seen in a decade…. like a little too obsessed….
• aww mama manon is giving abraxios a little makeover. americas next top model.  you wanna be on top?
• oh we’re back on our nancy drew shit solving murders
• “make up a rumor that someone else did it” aelins' mom was cunty ngl
• manon is mothering 
• confession. i did think abraxos was a worm that could fly. i got super confused about the verbiage and him being a bait beast. i had to look it up if he was really a wyvern or not. 
• celly asking the story teller about Maeve is like the first clever thing she’s done 
• ooop. she’s at rowans room at night to give him salve…. thinking about his warriors body…. they are going to fuck. isn’t that your cousin girl????
• oh this guy is emo. and others come to get their little emo tattoos from him
• oh no sex, just trauma dumping. okay. they are gonna bone though. i know it’s going to happen. 
• oh fuck is this the spider??? i’ve been waiting for her!
• i do really like manon. i saw someone call her “that witch lady” but yeah, this book needed a freaky bitchy witch lady. also, i used to do silk wraps on my nails so me and abraxos had that in common
• so does everyone BUT celly know that ass king is who set her up? he is gonna get brutally murdered in a later book RIGHT?!?!
• also wild that y’all are just using her apartment lmao not like she can use it any time soon ig but it was like her love nest with her dead bf
• and if she and rowan get together in this book then she had 4 lovers in 4 books. that’s impressive. 
• rowan is sending mixed signals. he’s like you’re gonna sleep in my room every night!! but on a cot :( i’m gonna fall asleep holding your hand to my chest!! you’re a good solider :(( 
• oh no. not a super rare bond. there’s no way these two randoms could have it…
• the 13 are some good judies. they are down to fight for manon and abraxos. 
• “they were not born with hearts” really? because manon is showing a lot of heart with that worm abraxos 
• “if chaol was really my mate, i wouldn’t have been able to beat the shit out of him, would i?” okay i want to talk about all the weird shit she said about chaol in COM because she would say shit that essentially said they intrinsically linked together and like soulmates in one life or another and that was all for.... nothing?? like that just wasn't true at all?
• i do still think chaol is a bootlicking loser but omg i really don’t like rowan. he is so annoying. idc if you’re emo and brooding. either bed my girl or stop putting out mixed signals. also, you’re lame
• i think this kingdom could use a healer as a ruler. um sorscha doesn’t get to be queen brrf
• chaol is giving spencer pratt a run for his money on being a crystal guy
• wow you get a new bond mate but he has a blood oath with your evil aunt. life is so complicated.
• gabriel asked how old she was and she said “19” and that’s a real YIKES from me dog
• "she couldn’t have spent all those months in fools bargain, couldn’t have been tricked that badly?" No, she could. She has before. she’s not that bright. 
• does dorian also have the nameless mark? he's related to brannen
• the next book better be about killing the ass king. 
• “to whatever end” oh okay. i bet they say this 1000000 more times. 
• he left all his belongings behind but he travels with his stick n poke kit. that’s not sterile 
• wow so if dorian wasn’t so horny sorscha would still be alive?
• celaena fuel can’t melt stone beams
• celly could have a little harem of dory, chaol, and rowan
• rowan you’re too big and hot to come to rifthold.

 

ALM Pyramid:
top: manon, manon, i hear it and i know.
middle: bros before freaky demon collars
bottom: the start of the age gap relationships - evil aunts - rip sorscha

Queen of Shadows:

this was a great follow up to hof. i was captivated the whole time. yes, chaol was annoying but that's the way it is with these men. we meet my number 1 girl elide, we get some insane lore drops. all in all, this is a very strong book for the overall story and i was never bored.

• oh dorian is a beast just off the bat. yuck. hate this for him.
• a lot of “rowan would have kicked her ass for blank” seems lowkey abusive baby girl
• “what the hell had happened while she was away” oh babe, A LOT. like your storyline last book was the least complex and heartbreaking 
• “i want you to capture one and bring it to the keep” bro she doesn’t fucking work for you anymore. she’s so dumb. getting into bargains. this ass king loser isn’t going to help you. he’s a back stabbing LOSER.
• “[chaol] was exactly as she remembered” handsom? “ruggedly handsome” okay girl. aren’t you like soul mate bonded with that blond haired freak 
• the city hard lady refusing not to wear eyeliner. oh she’s cunt 
• oh SJM loves to have a man say ily while the main character is leaving and she just ✌🏻✌🏻✌🏻✌🏻
• celly makes a good point. you’re going to put dory on the throne while there’s a DEMON inside of him? prob not great. and ass king won’t kill big king. they’re probably besties. 
• yessssss. are manon and kaltain going to link and build??? i missed my skinny baddie 
• witch and valg eugenics? 
• i’m loving this little best friendship with lysandra and i will always forgive a girl like her. BUT IF THIS IS A DOUBLE AGENT I WILL RIOT. THIS BETTER BE REAL. 
• if chaol wanted her to bring an army back with her then he should have told her that
• “said the thing squatting in her friend” squatters right 
• lysandra was thinking about fucking adaine lmaooooo i think her and caltrain would either be birthday of a feather or two big personalities. 
• is rowan coming back in this book? i’m sure he’s important in the later books but we really went through all that trouble introducing him and creating the bond just for him to be Not Here
• re: pretending to be a dancer at the party. why don’t the little demon freak guards just automatically recognize her? don’t they have some sort of hive mind thing going on? 
• and why would the dance lady be on celly’s hit list? 
• i also cannot keep it straight who knows she’s aelin and who doesn’t. 
• this was for sure ass kings plan because celly cannot come up with this good of a strategy 
• i like the witches story line but im so bad with names and none of them are named like judy and laura so idr who any of these bitches are 
• this girl elide is up to something. she’s talented. she’s manipulative. she’s observant. 
• she named a character ghislaine? 
• look, i love every single female character in these books. celly is on the bottom of the pyramid but i still claim her. but omg almost every single guy is SUCH a wet blanket. a real forgettable 6 foot tall thing with eyeballs. they’re only fun when they’re being cocky but they just are constantly on the back foot. 
• GORL you are not washing red out that easily 
• idk maybe i don’t have family but are they like… really into each other? a 5th lover? her second relative? she and dorian are distantly related as well. is chaol is the only one who doesn’t share blood w her. 
• “another skin she wore” oh sjm you are SLICK i see you 
• oh my godddddf now chaol is going all racist against fae
• rowan shows up and immediately is like “i know who your dad is loser” why does he have to have disrupt others balances? 
• “you need to be clear to the others what me staying in here means” um can you be clear to ME? because i don’t get it. y’all are going to fuck right? you just haven’t yet, but you *want* to. you just don’t want to **yet**???? i’m sorry you need to spell it out for me. i’m dense
• your favorite is gold? get a grip. you’re a trust fund baby 
• oh no. aelin is TOO HOT. TOO LOVABLE. all these men loveeeeeee her and this is the root of the issue. i bet the king is even secretly in love w her. 
• oh no, not my 16 inch waist baddie. i hope she’s not so far gone that she is unsalvageable. 
• you have to be pretty fucked up with give manon the ick from your depravity 
• baba blackbeak is a weapons manufacturer 
• sorry but the lorcan is a stupid loser if he fell for her fake mans voice. 
• rowan is the exposition fairy of this series. give him a cloak or a chicken.
• kind of shitty of sjm to reference the letter from westley all the time but never to have actually written the contents of it for us
• i just don’t like rowan. he bothers me. he has like no personality except for being overbearing
• why are they flirting at the table in the ass keep? like be so fr. girl you and him have a weird platonic relationship and you finally start trying to tease him while in front of the ass king, the man who killed your first love
• i love the concept of aelin running around, saving aedion, being like “hey y’all! i’m Cormac Hinsol. i’m a big investor in ass king. you guys all recognize me right? remember my nameeeeeee. i specifically waved and said hello and kissed babies at the birthday party.” i just WISH we saw that shit lmao. that’s one of my biggest issues with this series. sjm does a lot of telling, not showing.
• noooooooooooo. not the ring. wtf. that’s insane. she is so fucking dumb. where are her besties? “tell em you love me. say me name” what a fucking loser. like that’s what you waste your power on?
• omg they heard the whole thing lmfao and are just sitting there in silence like… when do we rip that ring off of her? 
• oooooof okay you got me good lmao lowkey wish she did have teh real ring on but i was like there’s no fucking way she’d like that slim puppy close to her like that but that would have been interesting sigh
• okay?? mixed signals much??? what the fuck just happened? bro rowan gives me the ick. i hate him. i’d rather chaol be here and i think chaol is a wet blanket
• i just DON’T LIKE like lysandra is supposed to do this alone. i hope she can do it. oh thank god. my heart was racing. i literally thought she might not get to do it
• [at the bakery trying to get info from nelly] "'we are very very hungry for… pie 😉' aelin said desperately." okay girls go eat each other out. idgaf
• i love sin cake eater shit
• ohhhhhh roland. you little slag. i forgot about you. oh i guess that’s that. 
• asking your roommate to leave so you can have loud sex is not actually not super abnormal and i'm sure your COUSIN who has bedded half of the continent would understand 
• hell yesss. a valg prince is no match for a baddie. nothign will stop the insane chemistry between manon y dorian
• also, a lot of the people who were taken over by the valg were men. the one woman we see with a collar is so conniving, strong willed, and wrathful that she literally eats that’s little demon up. “she only had one name now: death, devourer of worlds” so like the valg can only manipulate men successfully. 
• i get one baddie back i immediately lose one but yall were dumb af for thinking he didn’t know about the little kiki’s you two had. 
• dorian’s natural instinct to flirt is more powerful than the valg demon possessing him 
• ummmm look i know you don’t know this but i do think manon would have let yall go because she’s pissed her grammy is evil. which is weird because that’s like their whole thing? 
• aelin is like “oh those witches really love each other. guess i can’t kill them because i have a soft spot for female friendship” and you know what? i respect it.
• you haven’t seen your dog in like 6 months first thing you do is body shame her.
• when roland died that was truly a diva down but what was the point of him? his character in HOF was so sus 
• the story about the witchling made me cryyyyy. i’m glad manon is finally understanding how much her grandmother sucks 
• i love books written by women because all the characters i care about are women 
• oh yeah, manon and dorian are for sure going to be together. he’s thinking of her name and freaking that little demon out. 
• “you make me want to live rowan” i jus…… don’t care. i don’t like him i’m SORRY. he has like no personality except being an old ass fae warrior who can do stick n poke tattoos. yeah, ever been to brooklyn? i have. so i know the type.
• oh yuck we’re seeing that nasty bitch of a king. oh and we’re pretending to still be cellener? this is what i mean. idk who knows what and the king for sure knows who she really is by now. they need to approach every situation as if the know. good thing there was no social media. her face would be everywhere. 
• ohhhhhh exposure therapy for poor dory
• oh fun dory and aelin are playing low stakes tag
• is chaol about to die?????? is chaol is dying?????? is chaol dead?????? tf he really was barley in this book and he was a dork but rip 
• “so the world ended and the next one began”
• how tf would the demon not being able to figure out the towers muffled the magic? like that doesn’t make sense.
• the dark king had duped my girl caltrain???? omg
• chat do we believe this groveling old man?
• OMGGGGGG. okay aelin girl stop swapping out jewelery. i cannot keep up. idk wtf is happening. 
• “'all hail dorian hapsburg!' no one else echoed it." oh that is EMBARRASSING 
• let the record show: i was never a kaltain hater. i always liked her and never thought she was a villain. she doesn’t even need a redemption arc for me.
• look, these books are hard. they have almost no humor. the male characters except for the slutty ones are boring and lame and without personality but every single time one women comes out of the trenches to fight and save i just want to cryyyyyyy. maybe i’m about to start my period but i love this book for how physically powerful these women are lmao like every single one is lethal and lovely and ready to fight and die. and they all save these lame ass dudes every time. 
• okay i know i just said there was like no humor but lysandra puking on that weirdo lorcan is so fucking funny but i hope she isn’t dying?!
• omg lorcan only coming to help because his friends son was there. what a LOSER 
• also lol at the way sjm wrote about celly losing her virginity vs the rowan shit 
• “sometimes when no one was looking he would nibble on her earlobe” no i promise they noticed, they just didn’t want to say  anything. and aedion could probably smell the horny on y’all.

 

ALM Pyramid:
top: elide 💚 kaltain 🖤 lysandra ❤️
middle: having so much raw sex appeal that the demon inside of you simply cannot handle it - patricide
bottom: weird tension between your cousin and your soulmate but not bf boyfriend - weird tension between you and your ex hook up

Just started and so far I'm intrigued and enjoying the setup. Disclaimer I'm a Chaoll fan and hope for a great turn out for him. Excited to see how things unfold and looking forward to catching up on Yrene.

Edit 1: Still early in the book. I might be judging too soon. I'm still enjoying the new continent and characters.

Disclaimer: I know and accept that there will be varied, flawed and even down right morally grey and evil characters. I've no issues with that. End disclaimer.

Now on to my thoughts so far.

The writing is irking me. Not sure if I'm overthinking it but I'm picking up hints of microaggressions or possibly "unconscious bias" (aka minor racism)...

Some of the descriptions of the new characters make me feel uneasy. Mostly described as plain. They are not as beautiful as... fill in the blanks.

I've no issues with LGBTQIA. But the black lesbian trope is so overdone in entertainment these days for inclusivity browny points. Yes I remember that Aedion and Archer had queer sides to them. But the first and so far only queer relationship is black lesbians.

Their features remind me too much of the Valg. But it's possible that that's just a coincidence.

The slavery issue.

Still a fan of Chaol, but not liking the whole "getting them to heel" appearing at all and most certainly more than once...just sends me back to the event that started BLM protests...

So yeah...the writing is bothering me.

Do you think it feels familiar because >!It reminds her of the Crochan witch’s blood after she slaughtered her?!< >!do you think this is one of the first steps of Manon discovering her true heritage?!<

So I recently got the entire box set for the throne of glass series and started reading immediately, I absolutely LOVED the story from the beginning (I started with throne of glass as I was already spoiled some things like Sam dying). I am currently 250 pages into crown of midnight (after Nehemia’s death and Celaena returning to her rooms from the dungeon).
I was also spoiled that Celaena (or rather Aelin) would end up with Rowan, so I was pretty confused throughout the first book as to why SJM would put us through this love triangle only for her to end up with neither of them. I know that everyone hates Chaol for some reason (I am suspecting it’s because of Nehemia’s death, though I kindly ask not to spoil anything in that regard) but I still really like him and I loved him and Celaena together.
The thought of her hating him that much and that they ended in that way makes me incredibly angry and, quite frankly, is putting me off from reading further. Since I was aware from the start they were gonna break up one way or the other, I’m not as mad about that, just about HOW it was handled and how quickly they fell apart.

So I am asking for motivation to keep reading, because I keep hearing how amazing this series is and I absolutely love the story and characters, but I really don’t want to read about how much Celaena hates Chaol if that makes sense. Also PLEASE don’t spoil anything further, I only know Celaena is Aelin and the main pairings at the end.

TLDR: I just read the part where Nehemia dies and Celaena hates Chaol, I still love him though and don’t want to keep reading just for her to demonize him, please motivate me to continue without spoilers.

I read The Assassin’s Blade after Heir of Fire and have waited too long to start Queen of Shadows and am feeling a little lost. I feel like I don’t have a clear memory of the events of the very end events of HoF. Can someone point me to a thorough synopsis of the book?

Thanks!

Hi all! I just finished Empire of Storms and want to start Tower of Dawn but I’ve heard it’s mostly about Chaol. I’m not skipping it but wondering if I should just listen to the audiobook. Just trying to get different perspectives / opinions on the book

WARNING: spoilers ahead for Throne of Glass, Crown of Midnight and Assasin’s Blade!!!

Okay I am on Queen of Shadows so please try not to spoil anything from QOS onward in your responses (I think I should be safe from those considering this post is going to be referencing Assassin’s Blade and Throne of Glass.

So ever since I started reading this series, my social media feed has been full of videos of people grieving Sam’s death and saying that it tore them to shreds and made them sob. These people are making me feel heartless because honestly… I was very unattached to his character. Don’t get me wrong, it was sad and Aelin obviously adored him, but I was more affected by Nehemia’s death. And I am a very emotional person. So when I didn’t have the same reaction as most people, I was surprised.

But I have seen a few people say they felt the same as me and were relatively unattached to his character, and there is a bit of a trend. I think it’s related to the order in which you read the books. So I am curious to you other readers: What order did you read the books in? And how did his death affect you? I am curious if people who read TAB first were more attached to Sam because they didn’t know he was going to die. I read TOG, COM, then TAB. I wasn’t that sad because I knew his fate going into the book and already knew it would be tragic, which maybe desensitized me a bit?

Just curious if reading order has any influence on how you perceived his death. Please don’t hate on me I am not saying I dislike Sam!! I just don’t think his death had the same effect on me as most people.

I just finished reading ToG. I have read acotar and heavily prefer ToG. The storyline involves sacrifice, team work, character growths, relationships and creating a new world for all, it hits me deeper.

I haven't seen anyone anywhere talk about Fenrys so I will.

I love the way that the books had a deep bonded relationship that wasn't a romantic one. We watch Fenrys lose his cranky fae male behaviour and step into a protective supportive role for Aelin. How they used blinking codes to communicate during and after the trauma.

I loved reading their friendship and how close they stayed after their escape and supporting each other to heal in ways no one else could understand.

He knew she was done with life and fought to almost death for her. They weren't even mated and that level of dedication to her after both being traumatised was incredibly sweet.

Just beautiful character development from when we first met Fenrys.

I'd say their connection is deeper than hers with Dorion, Chaol, Lysandra.

Fenrys ❤️