▲ 140 r/exmormon

Great quote of the day, from Benjamin Park: "... one of the keys to the Latter-day Saints Church's success is by always changing with each generation to respond to new contexts and fit into new cultures while at the same time convincing their believers that they never change."

In a YouTube interview with Mykelti Padron in the episode "Mormon Polygamy Didn't Start The Way You Were Told" historian Benjamin Park discusses many topics, including Nauvoo polygamy, fundamentalist LDS groups and growth issues with the current LDS church. Lots of interesting information about Mormon history in this interview! One correction to the stats cited by Prof. Park when discussing LDS growth issues at the end of this clip: Pew Research data from 2007 and 2023-24 indicate the percentage of survey respondents in the US indicating that they were LDS was 2%. Parks says that current data indicate the percentage of the US as LDS as .9%. The .9% figure actually comes from the 2025 Cooperative Election Study, which uses different methodology from the Pew study. Normal caveats about survey sampling, error rates and survey methodology apply, so one should be be cautious when drawing conclusions about trends when comparing the two different studies. The full podcast is at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb68p5jOE3A

u/AccomplishedBat9069 — 10 hours ago

Can everyone associated with BYU athletics just admit that they are just as compromised in ethics as all other NCAA sports programs? Deseret News article from October 2024 with Clark Gilbert shows the hypocrisy; Ongoing news events show BYU sports is just as bad as all other NCAA programs

BYU Athletics is just a business that exploits people for money and is no better than any other NCAA program in terms of its morals or ethics. It is the perfect example of how the institutions of the church make excuses and create loopholes in so called "codes of ethics" in pursuit of prestige, popularity, money, and perceived public relations.

BYU Athletes are given special privileges and considerations normally not accorded no other student or member. For example, consider Ryder Lyons and Brock Harris, who elected to serve only 1-year missions, when the demands on virtually every other male are to serve for 2 years. BYU athletes are routinely allowed to transgress the honor code-- they are only forced to suffer the consequences regular students face if their transgressions become public-- then BYU is forced to enforce its honor code rules.

Consider the rogues gallery of convicted BYU criminals, including: Derik Stevenson, Byron Ruffner, Hassan-Kareem McCullough, Karlos, Rhodes, Karland Bennett, William Turner, Kirk Pendleton, and Waymon Hamilton. The horrific case of Candon Dahle is yet another example.

The money paid to BYU athletes is staggering and BYU is complicit in a system in which they recruit star athletes who they know will only stay for one year. AJ Dybansa collected millions in NIL payments from donors for one year of play, and both he and BYU knew he had no intention of completing a degree.

The businessmen and lawyers running the church fail to require BYU to truly "do the right thing" when it comes to NCAA sports. If the Q15 were truly apostles doing the Lord's work they would not allow BYU to participate in NCAA sports, but because they think success in sports helps generate more PR for BYU (and therefore, the church) they twist themselves into morally unethical pretzels allowing the unethical practices to continue.

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u/AccomplishedBat9069 — 2 days ago

Following up with Studio C alumni who have left the church! Studio C alumni Ex-Mo members Adam Berg and Stacey Harkey have a new podcast! NSFW Link to Adam's crazy story about dealing with urological issues and his visit to a urologist

Is there a list of Studio C members who have left the church? Seems like there are lots of examples among Studio C alumni. Former Studio C cast members Stacey Harkey and Adam Berg have both come out as gay and have left the church. They have a new YouTube Channel called "Confessions of Mormon Boys" where they have humorous discussions. Adam's story about his urology issues is cray-cray!

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u/AccomplishedBat9069 — 5 days ago

From the Mormons Grifting Other Mormons Department: Get your "Christus Nightlight" for only $12.99!

I just can't even.....

u/AccomplishedBat9069 — 6 days ago

In 2023, the LDS Church won an auction for the Tiffany Studios "Jesus in a Field of Lilies" art glass window, paying $237,500 (approximately $260,000 in 2026 dollars). Now the window is displayed in the Nauvoo Visitors Center, providing another photo opportunity for Instagram, TikToks and selfies

Another questionable use of tithing dollars for entertainment and distraction purpose of the busloads of kids on church history field trips and the TBMs doing summer vacation trips to Nauvoo.

u/AccomplishedBat9069 — 7 days ago
▲ 109 r/exmormon

Church News 10/3/2021 Quotes Church member Amanda Parks praising the announcement of the Cody Wyoming Temple in 2021: Five years later, her husband convicted of CSA, Amanda convicted of two misdemeanor counts of accessory, one misdemeanor county of conspiracy, 180 days in jail.

Given Amanda's sentencing, she probably won't be making the Cody open house. I wonder if she will face disfellowship or excommunication for her actions.

And "church leader" and family friend (who is a physician!) testifies on behalf of the perpetrator, argues that the church had nothing to do with it.

As quoted from the Powell Tribune article:

"Dr. Adam Peters — a family friend, children’s physician and leader at [Jimmy] Parks’ church — recalled Parks helping with service projects in the community and described him as someone who’s always been “really nice.”

“I don’t know what happened behind closed doors or whatever. I can’t say anything there. I have no witness there,” Peters told the court, “but what I can say is that when I was with Jimmy, I did not see violent tendencies. I saw a guy who was a friend — and he has been a friend.”

He also made a point of rebutting any suggestion that their church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, would attempt to cover up any abuse. Peters said the church has strict policies that require any abuse to be reported to authorities and that, regardless of his continued assertion of innocence, Parks would never be allowed to work with youth at the church again."

Peters added that, “I would never try to cover up [for] someone who was a sex offender against a child. Period.” 

Peters also referenced the views of Amanda Parks, who has since filed for divorce from Jimmy.

“Amanda’s not real happy with Jimmy, but Amanda still thinks he’s innocent,” Peters told the district court. “That’s really important.”

https://www.powelltribune.com/stories/cody-man-gets-30-years-for-sexually-abusing-teen,176688

u/AccomplishedBat9069 — 12 days ago

Jan 23 2026 FB Post: North Texas LDS Stake thanks Church of Scientology for their hospitality in hosting the Sharing Sacred Spaces experience meeting

What are your reactions to this FB post? I wonder how Ex-Mos and TBMs feel about this!

u/AccomplishedBat9069 — 15 days ago

Jared Smith (Heliocentric) discusses BoM on Unsolicited Advice: Disappointed at the "Cameo" appearance of Jesus in the BoM; says that the Mormon Church lacks any true theologians, only has podcaster apologists and BYU professors

In a 2-hour interview with Joe from the YouTube channel "Unsolicited Advice", Atheist church auditor Jared Smith from Heliocentric discusses various religious topics, including Mormonism and the Book of Mormon. The entire podcast episode is worth a listen! Regarding the LDS church and the Book of Mormon, Jared provides some great quotes and makes a few good points.

One statement in this clip that might be controversial among Ex-Mos: Jared says his ex-mormon friends have encouraged him to re-read the BoM because they find that there is some richness and depth to the BoM (?Who is saying this?) :)

u/AccomplishedBat9069 — 16 days ago

Ex-mormons (esp. women) getting tattoos: Is it an increasing trend or has it always been high? Is it a way to claim autonomy?

A 2023 survey by the Pew Research group indicated that 32% of American adults have at least one tattoo. With regard to gender, 38% of women had at least one tattoo, compared with 27% of men. This included 56% of women ages 18 to 29 and 53% of women ages 30 to 49. The percentage of LDS members who had tattoos was 17%.

As the percentage of people with tattoos has increased gradually in the US, it also seems as though it is also widespread in the ex-mo community. A very large number of female ex-mormon podcasters seem to have tattoos. For women, is this one way of reclaiming autonomy after leaving the church?

What have been your observations about current and ex-members getting tattoos?

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u/AccomplishedBat9069 — 17 days ago

A less cited Mark Twain quote that works when discussing the history of Mormonism: “How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again!”

Most readers of this subreddit are likely are familiar with the scathing review from Mark Twain relative to the Book of Mormon (e.g., "chloroform in print").

Reading Twain's autobiography, another one comes to mind. Although he was referring to a discussion with his mother when he provides the quote “How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again!” it really applies to a large number of LDS when they are considering leaving the church. I think many members (BIC and converts) are initially resistant to leaving because they don't want to deal with the blow to their ego of admitting they were wrong. The fallacy of "sunk cost" also plays a big part for many, I think.

I think a large number of people leaving the church today are taking the first step out based on their own experiences and research or facts they have encountered themselves, rather than being confronted by nonmembers or challenged by ex-mos.

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u/AccomplishedBat9069 — 18 days ago

How old was the oldest person you knew who left the church? Why did they leave?

Just curious and interested in stories of older people who have left the church. Why did they leave? Did the person you knew formally resign or did they just tell people they were going to stop attending?

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u/AccomplishedBat9069 — 26 days ago

Cale Strong (son of "Torn" author Jeff Strong: Podcast Interview on "Parrish the Thought" "When Love Felt Like Judgment: My Painful Story Leaving the LDS Church": Worth a listen! Hopefully someone will be able to do a longer-form interview with Cade and/or Cade with his father Jeff.

Cale Strong, son of "Torn" author Jeff Strong has given an interesting interview on the nuanced faithful podcast "Parrish the Thought." In the 74-minute interview Cale provides a few anecdotes about the MTC, not going on his mission, coming home, his family's reaction, ward members' reactions and general observations about church culture and ultimately resolving issues with his family. The host of the podcast (Brian Keith Parrish) also tells a few of his own family stories during the conversation.

One anecdote from the podcast: Cale spent one year at Stanford and was on the track team before going to the MTC. In his first year at Stanford, Cale had a hip injury and left the track team (but not because of the injury).

Cale mentions at his MTC intake interview, he told the interviewer that he did not want to go on his mission to Japan. The intake interviewer left the room to pray and returned to tell Cale that the spirit told him if Cale went on the mission, his hip would be healed during the mission and he would be able to join the track team on his return. (!!??)

Cale comes off as a very sincere person who really cares about people. I look forward to hearing more of his story on additional interviews.

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u/AccomplishedBat9069 — 28 days ago
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Repeat Child R*pist Candon Dean Dahle (former BYU baseball player) is Getting Married July 22

After what Candon did, I cannot imagine what kind of mental gymnastics his fiancee is going through to get married to him.

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u/AccomplishedBat9069 — 1 month ago
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Temple Name Oracle

When going through Mormon temple endowments, male and female members of the Church of Jesus Christ receive a "new name" that husbands must remember to bring their wives "through the veil" to the "Celestial Kingdom". The history of the names used previously and currently is at this link:

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u/AccomplishedBat9069 — 2 months ago

Ensign Advi$ors should be placing tithing money bets here rather than buying up Florida real estate since everyone knows that Jesus will not be returning until after the Utah 2034 Olympics

u/AccomplishedBat9069 — 2 months ago

Church Historian Keith A. Ereksen Provides Cringeworthy, Evasive Answers and Distracting Analogies as his "Answers to Your Questions about Church Finances" Presentation= EPIC FAIL

In a November 2025 presentation for the BYU series "Faith and Cookies," LDS Church historian Keith Ereksen replicates his epic fail performance from the Missouri Far West "history rescue" presentation of January 2025. Prepare to cringe and be enraged.

The first part of the November 2025 presentation (which is provided in its entirety on the BYU web site) is actually quite interesting, as Keith recycles jokes from the widely ridiculed Far West Missouri stake presentation and provides a brief overview of the history of church finances. Good job on this part, Keith!

Where Ereksen goes into lands of deception and misdirection is near the end of the video, as shown in this excerpt, where he tries to answer the question "Why isn't the Church more open about its finances; what is it hiding?"

The analogies Ereksen gives in his "answer" are completely off-topic and ridiculous. First, Ereksen argues that if the church were to be 100% transparent it would be like "... You pay your tithing. We have your bank account information. Let's start there." (!!?!) No, Keith, this is a horrible example. We are not talking about a member's personal finances. We are talking about responsible and public accountability of tithing dollars and donations.

Even worse, in arguing for non-financial transparency, Ereksen actually goes on with an even worse example: "We have the address for all of these millions of children under the age of 14. We could put that our so pedophiles know where to..." Again, this is irrelevant to the topic of the presentation.

Ereksen argues that non-transparency in many countries is required to protect the privacy of individuals. He fails to explain in any way how this is related to church purchases, investments, and expenditures. This is an irrelevant tangent.

Ereksen explains "the categories" of expenditures where some numbers are disclosed, and does indicate that U.S. stock holdings are disclosed quarterly. (But, he fails to say anything about holdings outside of the US, or the church's VAST property holdings. He fails to say anything about total tithing dollars received or salaries paid to general authorities.)

In an interesting but ultimately empty argument, Ereksen argues that the church auditing process ensures that all finances are dealt with ethically. He relates his personal experience as serving as a local/stake church auditor as evidence for corporate HQ church financial transparency. This is a completely phony example of church transparency.

NO, Keith, local ward auditing does not represent accountability regarding LDS church corporation finances. The members don't care if a ward is spending $20 on office supplies . What members are entitled to know is how the BILLIONS of dollars are being spent or hoarded. And the reason the church does not want to provide this information is that they don't want members giving opinions on how the money should be spent, and they don't want to defend their previous decisions about spending money.

At the end of the video Ereksen gives a tease about discussing the SEC scandal. This information is provided in an article (including points made in the BYU Talk) which is published in BYU Studies Volume 64(4). Worth a read to see one argument, however flawed it is.

Finally, what Ereksen omits from his talk or paper is any mention at all of the Widow's Mite report, and the need for it to exist at all. It's very troubling.

u/AccomplishedBat9069 — 2 months ago

The next American Fork regular city council meeting will be on June 23 at 7 p.m. Mountain Time

The next regular meeting of the American Fork City Council will be Tuesday, June 23 at 7 p.m. Mountain Time. It will be interesting to see if there are additional public comments regarding the conduct of the AF Police force.

u/AccomplishedBat9069 — 2 months ago

Some interesting holdings related to John Dehlin at the Church History Library which calls Mormon Stories "...a forum that seeks to understand, explore, challenge, and improve the 'Mormon experience' through stories." Also includes a disclaimer!

Look at the description of the Mormon Stories web archive in the LDS Church History library online catalog. Seems like the library staff and all of the patrons using this archive would not be confused at all that the MS podcast is not affiliated with the LDS Church. The holdings of the Library also include a letter related to John's excommunication (!) a copy of his Ph.D. dissertation, publications derived from John's dissertation, radio interviews and an archive of John's interview with Rick Bennett (Gospel Tangents).

u/AccomplishedBat9069 — 2 months ago

The Bricks & Minifigs Lego Scandal and Anti-LDS Hysteria: Editorial from the BYU Cougar Chronicle= Persecution Complex 2.0

I give the author of the editorial credit for summarizing the whole complicated story in an understandable format.

Where the author goes astray is when he claims that the Reckless Ben and Mansells (actually it is just Bryan Mansell, as his aging father had nothing to do with the alleged accusations) are blaming the "Church" as directing the bad actions of the American Fork PD. In actuality, the AFPD corruption is because the police are trying to protect fellow members of the church, not members of the community. Granted, in AF there is no distinction that can be made between these groups, but anyone in Utah knowledgeable about the situation would recognize the coded behaviors going on here.

The money quote from the editorial, when discussing historical persecution: "We eventually shifted away from certain policies for the better, became more open with what we’re about to the world, and we contribute billions of dollars of our resources every year for the explicit purpose of helping those who can’t help themselves around the world." 

(?What policies: NAME THEM-- shall we start with (policy/doctrine) concerning the ban of Blacks from having the priesthood AND ENTERING THE TEMPLE? or, maybe the reversal of the hateful policy/doctrine against the children of LGBTQ parents?)

(...become more open with what we're about to the world": Why did the church have to do that--- hmm... did exposure on the internet force the hand of the church? Did the church want to become more open? Let's see, shall we talk about the various accounts of the First Vision, or the obfuscation about the historicity of the Book of Abraham?)

(...contribute billions of dollars of our resources every year for the explicit purpose of helping those who can't help themselves around the world" It was 1.6 Billion last year, which only was increased in the last few years after public exposure several years before. What percentage of the cash reserves or total liquid assets was that? Oh-- the church keeps that information secret(sacred). Why are specific details about church finances held secret from the members and the general public? Is this what Jesus would do? Be honest....

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u/AccomplishedBat9069 — 3 months ago
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The LDS Church-owned Polynesian Cultural Center serves coffee! Are you kidding me?

In the latest Youtube video from her excellent Girlscamp podcast, Hayley Rawle talks with Alyssa Grenfell about the paradoxical, confusing, and everchanging set of Mormon rules. The entire episode is great. As part of a discussion about the Word of Wisdom and the changing rules about caffeinated beverages, in this clip, Alyssa and Hayley discuss the fact that the PCC in Hawaii serves coffee!

u/AccomplishedBat9069 — 3 months ago