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In LN, Wade and James talk about how they first met MJ in person. James was selected for a Pepsi commercial and Wade won a dance competition dancing like MJ iirc.

I truly believe he had these competitions and such to pick and choose boys to get in touch with to groom and sexually abuse. He was always in plain sight.

But who selected the boys for these things? Was it MJ himself watching the videos and choosing? If so, that's kinda scary knowing what we know about his intentions with kids.

I'm a gen Z (born in 2004) so I'm not old enough to remember a time before MJ died. I never defended him but i didn't really know much about him until this year. I always had known he was kind of a weirdo and about the whole sleeping in the same bed as kids thing and i was like yeah he probably molested kids but who knows. I was confused about all the content I was seeing that was defending him. So I started googling stuff and found this sub. And holy shit. He really was a pedophile. I learned about the contents of those books, the high number of victims, and how he was literally CELEBRATED BY BOYLOVER ORGANIZATIONS. I also watched Leaving Neverland for the first time in May (also thanks to this sub) and wow. It is beyond me how anyone can think they're lying, especially combined with all the facts and evidence we have. Again, I did not really know this stuff until this year and now I'm completely invested.

I'm curious to know how many Gen Z people are in this sub and haven't fallen for all the misinformation and estate's propaganda!

Hi guys, this is kind of a random post but I want to know your thoughts on this.

I realize that he literally viewed these boys as his boyfriends in his mind but would not be interested in them as much after they reached a certain age. It's been established he was a narcissist and didn't actually care for these children's well-being (obviously) and basically just used there bodies for his own gratification and liked the pleasure of control as well, not caring how it would effect these kids later in life.

But at the same time, it's pretty obvious that MJ was attracted to a certain type of boy (usually white or mixed race, thin and cute, etc.) but I'm wondering if he was only interested in their physical looks/how easy they would be to groom, or did he have ​genuine romantic feelings for them as well like a person would when they're dating somebody for example? Like feelings of obsession, infatuation, or attachment? At least when they were the age he was interested in?

I'm just interested in learning more about his pysche. Curious to hear what you think.

I saw somewhere on here that in 2003 semen stains from unknown males and MJ's own semen were found on his bed mattress. I know they concluded that it didn't belong to Gavin Arvizo. That's pretty damning evidence and some say he could have been having consensual sex with adult men but knowing MJ and his decades long pattern of sleeping with boys it unfortunately probably belonged to underage males. Why did it never come out whose it was? Was that evidence not presented in the trial?

Defenders say Michael "didn't fit the profile" of a pedophile but he did, there are so many cases of predators who acted very similarly or almost exactly like Michael Jackson....

Malka Leifer was a teacher / principal at a religious school in Australia in a very orthodox Jewish community, which meant children were raised very strictly and treated strictly within the school system.

Leifer's victims have stated that they were brainwashed and groomed into believing that the abuse was normal, Leifer ingratiate herself into her victims lives, even being at one of their weddings when the victim was a grown woman. Leifer, much like Jackson, played up the victim angle during the lead up to her hearing which was delayed due to her "panic attacks and anxiety"

Her counsel stated that her victims Dassi, Elly and Nicole were "motivated by financial gain", eventually she was found guilty of abusing Dassi and Elly but due to a technicality for some reason she wasn't found guilty of abuse of the third sister, even though the third sister Nicole, is also a victim.

Brian Peck was convicted of lewd acts against a minor in 2003 after Drake Bell's mother found out that Brian had been abusing him for the better part of a year starting at the age of 13, Brian groomed him, made him feel comfortable, he played the role of the "cool older mentor" on and off set at Nickelodeon, he knew Drake loved Disneyland so he took advantage of that, he knew Drake loved old hollywood movies so he took advantage of that too. He was "nice" and "charming" so nobody suspected he was abusing the child, Brian also was the favorite of a lot of kids on set and he invited some kids and their parents to a backyard BBQ, making himself seem harmless in order to put the parents guards down.

Jimmy Savile was a prolific british media personality raised millions for charity and was known for his philanthropic efforts. He targeted vulnerable children that he would meet through these efforts.

He was able to get away with it for so long BECAUSE he was so well known for being such a generous man, raising so much money for good causes and making an effort to visit sick children in hospitals, orphanages, schools... etc

Everyone saw him as "good", that was his public image and not one person could have suspected that someone who gave THAT much could possibly be a horrible person.

Jerry Sandusky was a penn state assistant football coach who also used charity to find and groom his young victims, he founded "The Second Mile" which was to help underprivileged children.

He targeted families that were experiencing hardships and stepped in as a "harmless and benevolent father figure" he portrayed himself as a mentor to the children. He made his victims feel special and chosen.

Epstein and Maxwell, we all know who they are, Maxwell would scout girls in schools, malls and local neighborhoods under the guise of model opportunities or working as a masseuse, she dangled a carrot in front of young girls who trusted her because she was so put together, she was dressed impeccably and a lot of people, especially the young girls, let their guards down around her because of this.

She would bring victims to Epstein and desensitize them to doing anything Jeffery wanted by opening up the "job interview" with massaging him while he was completely naked.

Jean Brunel was a modeling scout, also a close associate of Epstein, he had a modeling company called MC2 model management, he targeted teen girls through the world of modeling, he promised them modeling careers, wealth and for the ones who he targeted outside the US, he offered them visas.

He claimed this was about developing their careers, he would end up isolating them in apartments he owned, keeping them completely financially dependent on him and separating them from their families.

Alphy Hoffman ran a "club" called Alphy's Soda Pop Club, it was a private dance club for child stars in Hollywood in the 1980s. Corey Feldman spoke about Hoffman who was one of the people that abused him as a child star. He stated that getting to know Hoffman was "a big thing for a young actor in Hollywood"

"I met him when I was 12 years old, he came to my house to pick me up in his car and I heard rumours that he threw the coolest parties in town," Feldman began.

"He was very connected and he was the son of Bobby Hoffman who was the top casting director at the time for one of the major studios."

"That studio ran many of the hit shows that were on at the time, so when you got an invite to go to Bobby Hoffman’s private party, this was a very big thing.

He said that events at Hoffman's were relatively kid friendly but barely any parents were ever around, similarly to Brian Peck's events he would hold at his own house.

Feldman met him at the age of twelve, he had a false sense of security because Hoffman appeared so normal and Feldman along with Hoffman's other victims considered him to be a "cool older friend"

"By the time he molested me I was 14, so it was a three year friendship. We talked about girls... I thought we were really good buds" said Feldman

Hoffman offered a space where child stars could "just relax" and "be kids"

My own father abused over 8 children including me and my sibling, he groomed a lot of victims over internet chat rooms, positioning himself as "cool" and "young at heart", he would let me and my sibling stay up late, swear, eat stuff mom didn't want us eating, he would brainwash us to believe that everything in the house was normal and that his disgusting "jokes" were fine and if anyone had a problem with it well, it was just because "society and humans believe this is wrong, but i don't believe there's anything wrong with LOVE" he normalized age gaps, he normalized horrific comments about me and my body, he even had his own little fantasyland that he drew up on paper so similar to Neverland that it actually disturbs me, if he had had Michael's money, he would have done a Neverland clone.

Michael Jackson showered families in gifts and trips and even houses, cars.. you fucking name it, he would give them the world. He made these parents feel like they were chosen similarly to how he made the kids feel chosen and special.

He normalized his bedsharing and made his behaviors seem "quirky" rather than predatory, a lot of people weren't on guard because of the way he presented himself to the public. This eccentric childlike innocent magical man who couldn't harm anyone and just loved children because he "never had a childhood" (which only became a talking point in 1993 right before the Chandler allegations broke)

Many of these predators used their status, fame and good public image as a way to get people's guards down, parents, children... And then ended up treating them like they were "special" "the only ones who understood" or that it wasn't abuse at all but a "loving relationship" Because some of these predators positioned themselves as trustworthy and "a friend" who would let them do cool stuff like swear or drink or "just be a kid", the children were happy to be around them and struck by how cool they felt to be able to do things their parents wouldn't let them do.

R Kelly's victims also described being brainwashed by him, he coerced several of them to go on TV and defend him, and they did, one of his victims said later on that she was completely and utterly brainwashed by Kelly and that he had basically trained her to defend him.

I don't know how defenders can consistently patterns in other predators abuse tactics that completely line up with Michael and how he was grooming and abusing these children and still believe that Michael was set up and it's all about money, that the accusers are "all lying" and "betraying him", they refuse to open their eyes to see what Michael truly was. He fits the profile of a pedophile to a T, his actions are SO similar or downright the same to other well known abusers... and yet he's somehow the only person in the world who is innocent?