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Like, aside from the fact that ONC didn’t want to spend a shit ton of money on animating random NPCs no one cares about…

Only the people that they invited, minus the family members, have experienced what Tom and Jake experienced.

They know what it’s like to go through the stress of the game. They understand the struggle and the toll that competing has on you. They understand the journey that Tom and Jake went through to finally get together again after All-Stars.

That’s an understanding none of their previous friends would ever understand. So it makes sense to have the wedding mostly exclusive to DC contestants, at least imo

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Alright so, if you’ve seen my comments around the sub, you probably know that I am an AVID hater of Ara. But before we get into that, I would like to comment on the Gabby vs. Ara situation.

Ara has every right to find Gabby annoying. That’s it. You don’t need a reason to like or dislike someone. But obviously, she’s in the wrong for how she said it and the show has been portraying her as a villain since episode 1.

Now, as for why I dislike Ara…

Because she sucks, as a person. That’s literally it. It can’t get any more simple than that. I just find her insufferable. I want her GONE. The point of villains is that you’re not typically supposed to enjoy them. But a lot of people love Ara, and that’s okay. I’m not one of those people.

Another reason why I dislike Ara is the fact that being a manipulative asshole is her only character trait. Yes, I know, not all characters need to be complex. But when a character’s main trait is being an asshole, people tend to dislike that!

Now, I would like to point out that I do enjoy Spencer. People may find it hypocritical that I like Spencer and hate Ara…but here’s the thing. Despite him being a dick, I can find redeemable qualities about Spencer. Additionally, his dickishness isn’t turned up to the point of me wanting him off my screen every 5 seconds. I just can’t find that in Ara.

I think Spencer haters can relate honestly. I’ve seen a few Spencer haters who are also Ara fans, but our feelings about the other character are mutual.

I do have one gripe with the fandom regarding all this. People say they understand disliking villains, but…they don’t. Not really.

Earlier, there was a call-out post about this whole controversy. And almost all of the comments included something along the lines of:

• “People when the antagonist says something antagonistic”

• “These people would never survive in the real world”

• “Disventure Camp? More like Friendship Camp according to these people”.

Well. If people said that there, they should say it under this post too. Because I am one of those people who hate Ara for being an asshole.

So go ahead and clown on me. Tell me that I would never survive in the real world. Clown on me for daring to dislike the villain for doing what they’re supposed to.

One thing I want to address is that some comments on that post were also calling out people who asked for more villainous characters but were complaining when we got them.

I am pretty sure this is a goomba fallacy. The people who asked for more villainous characters are most likely people who LIKE villainous characters. I mean, if I’m wrong, I’ll be glad to have that discussion. But I can’t understand why people would ASK for more villainous characters if they would react so heavily to them. Therefore, I can only come to the conclusion that this is a goomba fallacy.

I would also like to address that people not understanding disliking a character also goes for the other way around. A lot of people give fans of other characters shit for being fans of those characters. Logan fans, Spencer fans, Jake fans, Anastasia fans, all of them have been through the trenches at one point. Well, maybe not Spencer fans compared to everyone else, but they still don’t really have a good reputation in the fandom.

I don’t really know how to conclude this. I yapped a LOT. But if anyone has anything they agree or disagree with me on, or maybe I said something problematic that needs to be called out, please do so.
Okay, rant over.

The more I think about it, the more sad it is.

Because Marinette knows that Shadybug was HER from an alternate universe. Cat Noir and Claw Noir were also the same. I don’t know if she made that connection, but I think it’s a reasonable assumption. What’s also a reasonable assumption is that Betterfly and Monarch were the same person in different universes.

Marinette knows that Gabriel Agreste was Monarch. Based on that, she could come to the conclusion that Gabriel Agreste is Betterfly.

What makes this so depressing for her is that the Gabriel Agreste in HER universe is dead. As Ladybug, Monarch constantly attacked the city of Paris and misused his Miraculous. But in the parallel universe, Betterfly wanted to help the world, at least, eventually. He’s allies with Ladybug and Paw Noir(I think that’s his name), but Monarch was her enemy until the very end.

As Marinette, Gabriel could have been her father-in-law. Or, if you think that’s going too fast, at least a mentor figure for her. Since she started dating Adrien, she’d be there all the time. The good version of Gabriel would support their relationship and even form a bond with Marinette while helping her hone her fashion design skills. Instead, she got stuck with the villain Gabriel, who did everything in their power to keep Marinette and Adrien away from each other.

The worst part about this is that the knowledge that Betterfly is Gabriel Agreste doesn’t make Ladybug’s lie 100% false. Gabriel Agreste IS, WAS, and will continue to be, a hero. Just not in their universe. What’s extremely painful is living with the knowledge that your boyfriend could have had that amazing person for a father, but he didn’t. And he’ll never get that version of him ever again.

To carry all that on top of all the other shit that she’s carrying is INSANE.

Like, I get he’s a dick. But legitimately, what did he even do? He ACCEPTED hearing Bruno’s song. And then he suggested listening to alternatives. Which is a reasonable thing to say.