u/BenchAccording1954

Verses stated here:

33:30 O wives of the Prophet! If any of you were to commit a blatant misconduct, the punishment would be doubled for her. And that is easy for Allah.

33:50 "O Prophet! We have made lawful for you your wives to whom you have paid their ˹full˺ dowries as well as those ˹bondwomen˺ in your possession, whom Allah has granted you.^(1) And ˹you are allowed to marry˺ the daughters of your paternal uncles and aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and aunts, who have emigrated like you. Also ˹allowed for marriage is˺ a believing woman who offers herself to the Prophet ˹without dowry˺ if he is interested in marrying her—˹this is˺ exclusively for you, not for the rest of the believers."

33:51 It is up to you ˹O Prophet˺ to delay or receive whoever you please of your wives. There is no blame on you if you call back any of those you have set aside.^(1) That is more likely that they will be content, not grieved, and satisfied with what you offer them all. Allah ˹fully˺ knows what is in your hearts

33:53 O believers! Do not enter the homes of the Prophet without permission ˹and if invited˺ for a meal, do not ˹come too early and˺ linger until the meal is ready. But if you are invited, then enter ˹on time˺. Once you have eaten, then go on your way, and do not stay for casual talk. Such behaviour is truly annoying to the Prophet, yet he is too shy to ask you to leave............. And it is not right for you to annoy the Messenger of Allah, nor ever marry his wives after him. This would certainly be a major offence in the sight of Allah.

49:2 O believers! Do not raise your voices above the voice of the Prophet, nor speak loudly to him as you do to one another,^(1) or your deeds will become void while you are unaware.

58: 12 O believers! When you consult the Messenger privately, give something in charity before your consultation. That is better and purer for you. But if you lack the means, then Allah is truly All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Not my arguments but claims from critics

2.1 Exemption from limit on wives

2.2 One-wife limit for son-in-law

2.3 Exemption from equal treatment of wives

2.4 No one can marry Muhammad's wives after he dies

2.5 Permission to wed adopted son's ex-wife

2.6 Permissions regarding concubines

2.7 Permission to have relations with concubine despite promising otherwise

2.8 Excusing the Satanic Verses

2.9 Permission to violate sacred months with military activity

2.10 Condemnation of those avoiding war preparations

2.11 Gabriel assists with prophethood quiz

2.12 Appending a Quranic passage for a blind bystander

2.13 Acknowledgement of a social indiscretion

2.14 Condemnation of lingering house guests

2.15 Muhammad's wives have double reward and punishment

2.16 Do not question him

2.17 Don't speak too loudly or talk over Muhammad

2.17.1 Or call him from private rooms - wait until he's out

2.18 Followers are told not to speak in hostility about Muhammad in private

2.19 Followers should pray for him

2.20 War booty goes to Muhammad

2.21 The Jews of Medina get double reward for accepting him

2.22 Muhammad judges personal disputes

2.23 Jews will not see the miracle they are expecting as previous Jews killed prophets

I got them from wiki but yeah its just kind of weird but i wonder how u guys refute them.

33:30 O wives of the Prophet! If any of you were to commit a blatant misconduct, the punishment would be doubled for her. And that is easy for Allah.

33:50 "O Prophet! We have made lawful for you your wives to whom you have paid their ˹full˺ dowries as well as those ˹bondwomen˺ in your possession, whom Allah has granted you.^(1) And ˹you are allowed to marry˺ the daughters of your paternal uncles and aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and aunts, who have emigrated like you. Also ˹allowed for marriage is˺ a believing woman who offers herself to the Prophet ˹without dowry˺ if he is interested in marrying her—˹this is˺ exclusively for you, not for the rest of the believers."

33:51 It is up to you ˹O Prophet˺ to delay or receive whoever you please of your wives. There is no blame on you if you call back any of those you have set aside.^(1) That is more likely that they will be content, not grieved, and satisfied with what you offer them all. Allah ˹fully˺ knows what is in your hearts

33:53 O believers! Do not enter the homes of the Prophet without permission ˹and if invited˺ for a meal, do not ˹come too early and˺ linger until the meal is ready. But if you are invited, then enter ˹on time˺. Once you have eaten, then go on your way, and do not stay for casual talk. Such behaviour is truly annoying to the Prophet, yet he is too shy to ask you to leave............. And it is not right for you to annoy the Messenger of Allah, nor ever marry his wives after him. This would certainly be a major offence in the sight of Allah.

49:2 O believers! Do not raise your voices above the voice of the Prophet, nor speak loudly to him as you do to one another,^(1) or your deeds will become void while you are unaware.

58: 12 O believers! When you consult the Messenger privately, give something in charity before your consultation. That is better and purer for you. But if you lack the means, then Allah is truly All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

2.1 Exemption from limit on wives

2.2 One-wife limit for son-in-law

2.3 Exemption from equal treatment of wives

2.4 No one can marry Muhammad's wives after he dies

2.5 Permission to wed adopted son's ex-wife

2.6 Permissions regarding concubines

2.7 Permission to have relations with concubine despite promising otherwise

2.8 Excusing the Satanic Verses

2.9 Permission to violate sacred months with military activity

2.10 Condemnation of those avoiding war preparations

2.11 Gabriel assists with prophethood quiz

2.12 Appending a Quranic passage for a blind bystander

2.13 Acknowledgement of a social indiscretion

2.14 Condemnation of lingering house guests

2.15 Muhammad's wives have double reward and punishment

2.16 Do not question him

2.17 Don't speak too loudly or talk over Muhammad

2.17.1 Or call him from private rooms - wait until he's out

2.18 Followers are told not to speak in hostility about Muhammad in private

2.19 Followers should pray for him

2.20 War booty goes to Muhammad

2.21 The Jews of Medina get double reward for accepting him

2.22 Muhammad judges personal disputes

2.23 Jews will not see the miracle they are expecting as previous Jews killed prophets

I got them from wiki but yeah its just kind of weird but i wonder how u guys refute it

Whenever i critic something in islam ppl always run to "islam gave women rights before western civilesations" or "islam bannned killing baby girls". That isnt an good argument or an argument for feminism. Just because they have some respect for women does not mean that women are equal to men. Alot of views still have patriachal views and traditionall gender roles. And then ppl bring up Khadija and how she was an businesswoman. Infact i will use her for my arguments instead of praising her and using her as a way to get rid of the patriachal societes it just doubles down and adds more rules wich makes it impossible for women to be succesfull at all. Yes i understand the quran was around the time wich most societes were misgynistic but what i dont understand is how Khadija was never mocked or once been harassed for her business and that kind of makes me doubt that the societes during that era was that patriachal there have been societes were women have it much more better than a man but somehow no one ever brings this up.

Yes it was good that it was banned but is it better than the civilasations we have today? We evolve and turn into better humans and we learn harmfull practices from studying on it and being much more open minded about it. I still cant accept the fact that god couldve and should have changed the societes. He did it before why not again?

Whenever i bring up stuff like the situation about why women are so infantilized all the time they always have to bring up bio essiantalism or about how women are lucky to not be obligated to do such things. It bothers me such much because u dont act the way u are because of ur gender its because of how we preceive our prefrences and our society. It is definetly not about our gender and about how women cant do certain stuff because of her menstrual cycle. This is all dated back to how we first started as. We started as a big group were women and men hunted and travelled together. She didnt stay behind just because she has children or because of her pregnancy. When we started to settle down we had this survival stragety were the men hunted and the women stayed home and took care of the house. Even then women could still help out her husband and she still helped him out with the farm. As the society evovled so did our thoughts about gender roles. Al though it wasnt black and white. There were societes were women could lead,go to battle,have multiple mates and we see them in multiple empires.

The thing is when we think of bio essantalism it isnt something scientific or something mind blowing its just another tactic to keep low classed ppl in their places. Why would any type of god want to take women and put them in an position were they are taken care of their husbands and their whole lives are dependent on a man. U might say look at the context but i dont understand. It is supposed to be a moral book. A book wich is timeless in its teachings and the sheikhs and multiple women preaching such things are just ignorant. The classical tafsirs makes it no better. And in fact according to scientist women are better at thinking skills,rationality,and have good understanding of things. They may have developed things better than others but males can also develope things better than them. Does that make them not able to take care of herself. Of course not! Lets think out of the box for once. I see this argument being used around in most muslim communities and that leaves a bad taste in every critic.

Im sorry for the long text lol but my point still stands.

Ive seen the fact that alot of ppl have grudges against progressives and all of that but what i wonder is the fact that are you guys just coping? Is it going against the very teaching of islam and that it is never changing. Can u make the quran about gender equality why and why not? Its just that if this sub ever becomes mainstream or the uppvotes of here will get more ppl will start to join this sub just to poke fun. Why keep a believe but also keep a believe in progressives even though it will be basically rejected by everyone. Is it cherrypicking the verses or is it just wanting to stay in an believe just because? Personally i hope this becomes the mainstream views so ppl understand but im sure that it doesnt matter tho cause it will never happen. I dont agree with most of it but convince me that this is the right way to think

So i told my mother that i dont want to participate in islam anymore and that i want to leave but what i didnt expect from her is her emotional response. She started to cry and told me that she teached me everything and that im just throwing away years of it. I didnt want to upset her more since she has heart problems and the fact that she cant reconcile with it since she was raised in somalia and the fact that in her eyes im not going to go to heaven. I apoligized to her but in a few weeks she brought it up again saying that if she dies would i just disregard our whole religion and everything with it? I didnt know what to answer so i said no. Now im stuck between choosing her or choosing my own health. I hate the fact that i have to pretend to be muslim just to keep her happy but i really want to still be a muslim. I want to understand god but it just doesnt make sense. My sister has also told me it was my fault for opening up to my mother. I just want to hear ur reasons to keep stayibg in islam and how i can cope with it. The womens testimony,inheritance and also how there isnt any female prophets and they are all stated to be men/rijal. And how the wife beating can mean something else besides striking/beating and how it makes grammaticall sense and how it doesnt need prepositioning. Im scared of posting this on ex muslim subreddits because of my mental health so im just leaving it here.