u/BlueCappino

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Why "Just Get a Job" doesn't work for most NEETs

Little personal premise. I have an MA with a thesis in organisational psychology and worked for some time both in offices and in manual labour, and I have been NEET for years so far across two periods due to a chronic condition. I've also known many people during this time, including NEETs, standard workers and some employers. Just to make clear that I have personal experience of both situations, indirect stories and some academic background.

Recently, in this sub, I have been noticing more and more posts that split the world into "job = salvation, NEET = curse". An oversimplification that reflects pretty faithfully the narrative of the labour market.
Tbh, even the worst HR would be softer than many comments I read around here.
It struck me as odd that in a subreddit of NEETs, some people are so actively pushing down instead of offering mutual support, often framing standard employment as a kind of redemption. So I just wanted to clarify some things based on what I experienced and studied:

  1. Conforming to a standard job or formal training is not a realistic solution for many NEETs

If you are NEET, that usually means that at some point the standard demands of the market or education system proved too much and you stepped out. That alone tells something important. NEETs as a group tend to have a lower threshold for tolerating the conditions the productive system is designed around, and in many cases that breaking point was not random. It often begins with an unrecognised health condition that was already making it impossible to meet standard demands in the first place.

From there, as we know well, a drift tends to follow: different rhythms, different habits, activities and interests that exist outside the conventional productive framework. That drift is not the problem in itself, it is mostly the effect of other causes. But it can become one over time, because society and economic survival are structured around conforming to extremely competitive and productive standards.

The gap between what a person can actually endure and what the system demands from them often runs deep. It is not just a personal matter. On one side there are structural factors like education and economic policies, lack of a welfare state, and an increasingly individualistic and competitive culture. On the other, personal health, personality structure, family support and meaningful relationships.
The situation is often complex, and the crack does not just close because someone tells you to get back out there.

This is why telling someone to just try harder is not neutral advice and can be misleading. It is a demand that ignores everything about how that person actually got there.
Systematically pushing someone beyond their actual capacity rarely builds resilience. On the contrary, it can accelerate collapse and worsen health. Without accounting for the real material conditions of that person's life, this kind of input is at best ineffective and at worst harmful.

  1. The standard working model is unhealthy even for people without impairments

Research consistently shows that genuine productive focus, sustained over time, caps at around 5 to 6 hours a day, and that is already for highly trained workers. The all day standard shift is not a scientific benchmark but a historically imposed labour norm, and it has been consuming people's personal lives, time and energy ever since.

Manual jobs push this further, with rhythms and repetitive physical efforts that tend to accumulate damage over time. The data on work-related chronic conditions and cardiovascular disease, including fatal ones, is huge and very alarming. It is just conveniently ignored every time someone tells you to "just" go get a job. And before someone mentions office work as the safe alternative, plenty of sedentary and repetitive desk jobs carry their own well-documented damage, sometimes worse, especially for mental health, when sustained over long hours.

This is true even for top jobs. For example, there is a significant and growing mental health crisis among researchers and PhD students that has been well documented in recent years. The problem is not solely the type of work but the general and normalised conditions: too many hours, precarious situations, hostile and excessively competitive environments, unrealistic pressure and demand. The pattern is the same across very different contexts.

The overall consequences are documented and they go in both directions. Workers develop chronic conditions, mental health problems and physical impairments, and lose most of their personal and family life, often their sense of self along with it. Companies get burned out and disengaged employees, turnover, absenteeism and dead productivity. It is not even a win-lose for the companies. It is a lose-lose kept alive by a narrative sold for decades as a necessary sacrifice for productivity. The demands of higher education follow the same pattern. In some cases the data on stress, burnout and mental health conditions among students mirrors or even exceeds that of the workforce.

On top of all this, historical conditions have changed significantly. In the past, domestic work, cooking, administrative tasks, childcare and family support were more distributed across households and communities. Today most people manage all of that individually, adding a substantial load of unpaid daily work on top of an already full working day. Add commuting and lunch breaks to a standard full-time job and you are not just losing 8 to 9 hours, you are losing most of your waking day to the job framework. There is barely anything left, which is arguably one of the main reasons why starting a family and having children feels increasingly unrealistic to most people.

  1. Most NEETs need calibrated solutions, not generic pressure toward conformity

If standard working days are already unhealthy for the average person, consider what that means for the NEET population specifically. Being NEET usually means that standard demand has already proven too much, which implies that most NEETs are managing some form of impairment, whether physical, psychological, or both. Pushing them toward standard employment means asking already vulnerable people to do more than what already strains the average person. That is just unrealistic.

A calibrated solution necessarily requires knowing the actual health condition. If someone has a physical or mental impairment and is either unaware of it or has not had it diagnosed, they cannot meaningfully access any kind of adapted path. So the very first practical step, especially after a mid to long-term NEET period, is to get a proper health check and seek a diagnosis where needed. Both to understand functional limits and to know what kind of activity you can actually sustain, and for how long.

What actually works, and what occupational therapy and supported employment research consistently supports, is calibrated demand: reduced hours, flexible structures, and roles adapted to a person's actual capacity. A rational design that takes human variability seriously. Some countries have actual frameworks and support paths that move in this direction. But even where none of that exists and you just need to survive by adapting to standard demand, that does not make it good for you or for others. It is still damaging. Being forced into something that ignores your limits and your health is not a success story, and being aware of that is healthier than wrapping it in a false positive narrative for yourself and others.

None of this means that working is universally bad, nor is being a NEET. It means that the binary is false, and the pressure to conform to standards can be harmful for a significant portion of people in this situation.

The actual solution for most people sits somewhere between the total hiki and the full-time compliant worker extremes. Genuinely useful advice has to account for that complexity, rather than flattening everything into a slogan that blames individual will, which conveniently ignores both the personal health and social conditions of each individual and the broader socioeconomic demand that tends to create the crack in the first place.

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u/BlueCappino — 5 hours ago

Hey everybody,

I suffer from a chronic form of dysautonomic failure that's causing a severe form of anxiety-depression state, fatigue and insomnia. I've tried both SSRI and NDRI, but they interfere with my dysregulation of the autonomic nervous system and make things worse. I've also tried Olanzapine, but it was even worse for fatigue levels

Some years ago a neurologist prescribed Gabapentin to me for this situation, but in the end my doctor insisted on an SSRI, and that idea was lost in the years. Yesterday tho a friend of mine suggested trying Pregabalin which, as far as I know, is the next gen of Gabapentin, and I remembered that prescription.

Has anyone switched from SSRI or NDRI to Pregabalin? By any chance, is someone here using it and has dysautonomic purposes or chronic fatigue syndrome?

I am pretty tired of trying rn drugs that have severe aversive effects and that don't fit in the end, so I am trying to yield any feedback I can get

Thanks in advance,

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u/BlueCappino — 29 days ago