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Universalism and the KJV

Universalism and the KJV

For many that grew up KJV Onlyist and from a fundamentalist background, I will go through some points and explain how the KJV is compatible with universalism or at least refutes eternal punishment.

This post isn't to convert anyone to KJV Onlyism but rather to prove to anyone who does hold the view of KJV Onlyism that the scriptures are compatible with universalism.

  1. Matthew 25:41-46 - Not eternal punishment

While this verse is primarily used to support ECT, the KJV specifically uses two different words to describe punishment and life. Life is described as "eternal", whereas punishment is described as "everlasting". While many argue that the Greek uses the same words, those who hold onto a fundamentalist view of scripture such as the KJB being inerrant can see that Matthew 25:41-46 does not use the same words for life and punishment.

We can see in other parts of scriptures that the word "everlasting" is used to describe things that are temporal such as:

A. The Priesthood (Exodus 40:15)

B. The Mountains (Habakkuk 3:6)

Therefore we can refute the claim that Matthew 25: 41-46 supports ECT.

  1. Mark 3:29 Eternal Damnation and Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost

The phrase that is the closest to "eternal punishment" is the phrase "eternal damnation", which does appears in Mark 3:29. However it is important to read the full verse which says that anyone who does commit this sin is "in DANGER of eternal damnation" - not that they're definitely going to be damned forever. The verse is an idiom used by Jesus to emphasise how it would take as long as eternity if need be for the person to be saved.

There are many different views of what the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is. I hold onto a premillennialist view that it can't be committed by Christians but only by those during Jesus' first and second advent as blasphemy of the Holy Spirit means seeing Jesus face to face and attributing his works to a demon.

Those who commit the sins are in a state where they would not accept Jesus even if he appears to them which is why Jesus says they are "in danger of eternal damnation" as it would take as long as possible for the person to come out of that state and accept Christ.

Therefore we can see that no where does the KJV use the phrase "eternal punishment". The closest phrase that does appear is "eternal damnation" and even so Jesus uses it in a way that is conditional rather than absolute.

  1. Universal salvation in 1 Corinthians 15

Now finally we see in 1 Corinthians 15:22 which says "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive".

However that is just the tip of the iceberg. There are countless more verses that reveal God's plan of universal restoration - I still need to do more research on this topic.

My main points were on how the KJV refutes the doctrine of eternal conscious torment.

u/BumblebeeSuitable794 — 3 days ago

Hell is not a choice

Many Christians would argue that God doesn't send people to hell but that it is a choice that they make. Maybe its been mentioned before but I have came to the realisation that it's just a way for them to justify God's cruelty.

Deep down they know hell is the worst type of punishment and it cannot be reconciled with a loving God, so instead they shift the blame and responsibility from God to the one being punished.

Its like an abuser gaslighting the victim that its their (the victim's) fault they are being harmed.

Honestly I'm sick and tired of this religion and seeing Christians spread their bs everywhere. I used to go to a certain type of evangelical charismatic church/ cult and the way they emphasise authority, offering tithes, staying from the "world" where we are told not listen to secular music for example but thats another topic.

At some point in the future I plan to post about my testimony as an ex member of one of these cults and how they manipulate you to try and recruit you as a member. I'm from London and there are many of these youth churches/ cults everywhere especially in university societies.

But anyway my main point was about how Christians would try to justify hell by saying it is a choice we make like we all planned to go to hell for eternity or something but deep down they know it is cruel, sadistic and evil.

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u/BumblebeeSuitable794 — 2 months ago