u/Charliemineboy

Image 1 — Version 2.0 of my Alternative TFR Scenario
Image 2 — Version 2.0 of my Alternative TFR Scenario

Version 2.0 of my Alternative TFR Scenario

I want to clarify based on some of the things I heard in response to the last map. This map is not supposed to be a hyper-realistic or predictive view of what a second American Civil War would look like. Although that may be an interesting topic, that is not what I am attempting to do here. This scenario is a more-realistic, but still fantastical and interesting TFR-esque scenario. To give a few examples of how differences may arise, instead of fighting small regional conflicts in most states, there is a greater focus on the larger campaign, while still having the opportunity for underdogs to rise in power. Additionally, much of the TFR-Weirdness and unrealism isn't entirely absent, but only would happen towards the end of, or after the 2ACW, as factions go down different paths. It makes a lot more sense for a group like Atomwaffen or the NSM to hijack an existing fascist movement with growing support and power than it does for them to just rapidly seize absurd amounts of power at the outset of the war. An internal coup late in the war is a more plausible origin for the more outlandish factions in TFR.

I also want to clarify something about the factions presented in this map and the last one. The Provisional governments of the Great Lakes and Appalachia, except for certain paths, will collapse quickly upon the outbreak of the war and would split up and join other groups depending on player decisions and outside influences. While there would be a path for a neutral or Canadian Great Lakes region, they would likely break up along the lines of the 2 Major Powers.

Regarding the scenario itself, a few points.

  1. Far-Left states will generally not fight with Biden until Trump is defeated, and Trump will generally not fight Far-Right factions until Biden is defeated.

  2. The territory that groups control, and even the presence of certain tags, would be dependent on certain pre-war actions and decisions. This something I see as lacking from the base mod, as the pre-war choices you make have relatively little outcome once the war gets going as most factions.

Notable Additions in this version of the map and scenario:

  1. Changed from Mapchart to Paint.net for better mapmaking.

  2. Added sons of liberty to balance the Federalists. Description is below.

The two maps shown above depict the starting area depending on if the League of the South is formed or not. Some factions would have the ability to spread further than depicted on this map through decisions pre-war, such as Redneck Revolt, APLA, etc.

United States of America:

Similar Start, DC as the capital, but with control over more core territory in the North. Territorial control depends on pre-war decisions. Controls Unionist faction.

United American Republic:

Trump being based out of Denver in TFR is often criticized, and I largely agree. I often hear it defended as being for "Gameplay reasons", which I'm sure have merit, but aren't as important for this scenario.

Trump in my scenario is based out of Florida, likely Tallahassee, or potentially Miami to stay near Mar-a-Lago. He controls much of the Deep South, with the exception of BLA and Klan/LotS regions, which I will get to later. He also controls most of the Great Plains and the Eastern half of the Rockies. Territorial control of Appalachia and Great Lakes depends on pre-war decisions. Controls Constitutionalist faction.

Great Lakes Provisional Government

A coalition of Midwestern State Governments formed immediately upon the outbreak of the Second American Civil War. Potential paths include the following:

  1. Collapse into constituent states (alliances will vary)
  2. Centralization as Great Lakes Confederation (Neutrality)
  3. Annexation into Canada (Republican regions will leave)

Patriot Front

Unlike in TFR, where they bizarrely start out in Connecticut (iirc this is supposed to be in order to counterbalance Biden's faction), in this map, they are based out of Texas, as I believe they are in OTL. Prior to the war, they centralize power and vastly expand across the country, becoming an amalgam of many groups, more akin to the national front overall in TFR. Essentially any group that would be too far-right to support Trump's faction would probably join up with the Patriot Front. The paths would be similar to those in TFR, with the Mussolini-Esque Blueshirts, Ultraconservative Jacksonians, Autocratic Oligarch Thiel-ite Hamiltonians, and Neo-Nazis. Controls the National Front faction.

APLA

APLA-branch in the Pacific Northwest is more libertarian/demsoc leaning than Californian allies. The two branches compete for influence once united, with the potential resulting paths being similar to TFR.

Western Federal Command

Federalist-Aligned West Coast. Puppet of USA. Potential paths include the following:

  1. Stay with Federalists (default, likely)

  2. Pacific Military Command (Military Coup if Federalists lose, can go Left or Right)

  3. Pacific Military Command (Military Coup if APLA cause successful uprising in LA, annexing SoCal, moves right)

New York Commune

Unlike the more initially unstable, militant, and ML/Tankie Aligned APLA, the New York Commune starts out relatively stable and more aligned with Libertarian or Democratic Socialist governance. Shortly after unrest began to unfurl across the nation, marches on Wall Street and against the municipal and state response culminated in a violent response and once the Civil War had fully begun, the establishment of an emergency government, largely free from the influence of Wall Street and the surrounding more-conservative suburbs. Demsocs and Socdems assumed control and declared neutrality in the conflict. The Federalists do not initially interfere as they are stretched quite thin as is and the Boroughs are heavily entrenched after only a few weeks. Despite the front lines not being on their borders, the commune does still face heavy internal and external resistance, especially in Long Island, where the NYPD has dug in and began a prolonged conflict against the Commune, in their eyes defending the wealthier regions of the city. Potential paths include the following:

  1. DSA-Left: Democratic Socialists, can ally with APLA but not usually with Biden.
  2. DSA-Right/Progressive Democrats: Social Democrats, can ally with Biden, unlikely to ally with APLA.
  3. Vanguardist ML faction

If the NYPD in Long Island captures Manhattan, or it collapses otherwise, the New York Commune will be abolished and can do either of the following:

  1. Annex into the Federalists, occupation zone enforced by NYPD and mafia.
  2. Join up with Trump's faction as a corporatocratic NYPD-state, with an emergency government.
  3. Independence, led by none else but Curtis Sliwa and his guardian angels.

League of the South

Unlike in TFR, I think it makes for a more interesting story and gameplay if the formation of this faction is optional. If the player's choices cause this faction to form, it will exist aligned, but not directly allied with Trump's government and likely allied with the Patriot Front. If the League is not formed as a state, the Klan will pop up as a guerilla resistance in the Deep South and the Deep South broadly will be controlled by Trump. Potential paths may include:

  1. Reformist Revisionists. Made up of average racists and all that jazz, but not openly genocidal. More deport, less enslave. Southern Nationalists. Will likely ally with PF, neutral to Trump.
  2. Old Guard. Django Unchained shit, Southern Nationalists, the rest of the US forced into occupation zones. Will likely Ally with PF, hostile to Trump. If the BLA is defeated by the Old guard, the atrocities that follow will cause Trump to
  3. The KKK. National Unifier, hostile to Trump, likely ally to PF. Will influence PF Rightward and will fight them after defeating enemies if they do not move rightward. KKK can only take power after BLA is defeated.
  4. Some weird esoteric protestant path ("Army of God", maybe). Something along the lines of the [Creativity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creativity_(religion)) religion. Hyper-Fundamentalist Ethnostate. National unifier, unlikely to ally with anyone. If formed, they will siphon away a lot of Trump and PF supporters (radical evangelicals).

Black Liberation Army

Akin to TFR as far as paths. Start out in major southern cities and control surrounding regions. Gameplay-wise, maybe pre-war decision trees could determine how the regions they control are distributed, as well as the capital. If the League of the South is formed, they will become the Black Resistance, and will receive aid from the Federalists, unlike the BLA. If they accept this aid and push out the League, they can become a Liberal puppet of the Federalists, in exchange for greater resources and closer cooperation.

Brown Berets

A coalition of left-wing Chicano militants. Mainly exist to combat Republican Border Command and Patriot Front. Neutral with Federalists, at least until Trump and Patriot Front are defeated. Paths would include the following:

  1. Unifying the southwest and allying with other Left-wing states and/or forming the Rainbow Coalition with the Southwest Tribal Authority and Pantherite Redneck Revolt.
  2. Annexation into Mexico (if unified by the Zapatistas)

Republican Border Command

Coalition of Right-wing Politicians, border patrol agents, and Militiamen. Puppet of American Republic.

Texas State Government

Once the war begins, if the Texas Nationalist movement wasn't backed prior to the war, the State will collapse, and be split amongst primarily the republicans and Patriot Front. This split is the main driver of conflict prior to Biden's potential defeat between the National Front and Trump. The split can be handled peacefully in a decision chain, but will likely spark a localized war between the PF and Republican Border Command. If PF wins this conflict and united Texas, or if Trump decides to immediately once the Texas war breaks out, the Republicans will intervene and fight the PF.

If the League of the South is Formed and Patriot Front is defeated or gives it to them, part of Eastern Texas will be annexed into the League of the South.

Cascadian Militiamen

A loose collection of various right-wing militias in the Cascadian wilderness. They immediately encircle and make Spokane their main base of operations. They seek to destroy the APLA and 'restore order' to Cascadia. Potential paths after defeating APLA in Cascadia include the following:

1a. Alliance with Trump, Independence

1b. Alliance with Trump, Annexation

2a. Alliance with the Patriot Front. Fascists

2b. Alliance with the Patriot Front. Ultraconservatives

2c. Alliance with the Patriot Front. Ecofascists

  1. AnCaps/Right Libertarianism, Alliance with Sons of Liberty, Neutrality otherwise. (Unless Trump works with libertarians.

Redneck Revolt

As in OTL, and unlike TFR, they are based out of Kansas, right in the heart of Trump's Great Plains. However their situation is not as desperate as it may seem. This region has disparate and stretched-thin Republican control. Additionally, Redneck Revolt can infiltrate countrysides prior to the war to expand their control greatly. They can also seek aid from various factions, although such action will influence their political paths. Outside of this, the paths would be roughly the same as TFR.

Appalachian Provisional Authority

Similar to the Great Lakes Authority. It will almost always collapse and be dividing up amongst the larger factions almost immediately after the war's start. The Southern Portion is able to join the League of the South if formed and the Northern Portion is able to join the Great Lakes Confederacy. It can also pursue neutrality. If the Redneck Revolt completes certain decisions prior to the war, they can gain a foothold in Appalachia.

Navajo Nation/Southwestern Tribal Authority

Kinda what it says on the tin. Can ally with Biden, Trump, or the Chicanos and Redneck Revolt to form the Rainbow Coalition and move from neolib to left.

Utah

The state government of Utah. Potential Paths include the following:

  1. Annexation into Republic
  2. Annexation into Western Federal Command
  3. Neutrality as Deseret, a Mormon State. Can annex neighboring Mormon-heavy regions, but stays Neutral until Unification.
  4. Alliance with Trump as Deseret. Can annex neighboring states, works to fight through the Great Basin against the Western Federal Command. More right-wing than any of the above paths, but still generally Democratic, albiet heavily controlled by the LDS.

5a. Alliance with (Authoritarian Path) Cascadian Militias and/or Patriot Front as Deseret. Utah transitions into a Mormon theocratic state with strict ultraconservative values. Nearby Mormon-heavy areas are forcibly annexed.

5b. Fundamentalist Latter-Day Saints (FLDS) Deseret, alliance with Cascadia and Patriot Front. Ultra-theocratic Fascist Ethnostate akin to the League of the South's 'Army of God'/Creativity path.

Bikers

A warlord alliance that controls Northern California and seeks to "keep the peace" in the region. Likely to be quickly dispatched by the APLA and/or Western Federal command. They can annex into the Federalists, ally with Trump, or Join the Cascadian Militias.

Oklahoma Indians

Starts neutral to Biden-Trump Conflict, but faces resistance from Patriot Front. If PF is defeated, they remain neutral until the war is over. If the Redneck Revolt controls all of Kansas and/or Missouri, they can join the Rainbow Coalition.

Independent Corporate Regions

These regions, despite being the same color, are not allied or connected in any way. They are just labeled as such to denote that they are independent regions controlled by the wealthy of the region. They are largely defended by Mercenaries, often those who left the military at the outbreak of the civil war for better profits as part of PMCs.

These regions include the following:

- Santa Clara/Silicon Valley: Unlike the others on this list, they would have content. If the APLA in California is defeated, they would have the choice to join with Biden, Trump, or if the more Dark-Enlightenment Thiel-esque autocratic figures take hold, ally with the Patriot Front. If the Patriot Front goes Hamiltonian, they can take control of the Faction and break the US up into Neofeudal City States Curtis Yarvin-Style.

- Las Vegas-Hoover Dam: Become independent if Biden doesn't complete event to secure Nellis AFB before the war. Mercenaries sieze the AFB and declare an independent corporate region. In return for aircraft at the base, neutrality is agreed upon by Biden.

Sons of Liberty

Shortly into the war, in response to economic measures and conscription decisions that can optionally be undertaken by the Federalists, the Sons of Liberty will mobilize and submit their demands. If the Federalists do not give in and have Biden resign, among other demands (which would cause a political crisis and debuffs), they will seize territory in Maine and New Hampshire. Can ally with Republicans if Trump backs Libertarians, or Cascadia if they go Libertarian. If Biden is defeated and the Sons of Liberty still exist, they can either diffuse into the American Republic if it is Libertarian-Aligned, or will continue to exist if that is not the case. Following this their potential paths will be the same as those in TFR 1.1 (various libertarian/market liberal subfactions, Mercenaries, and boogaloo boys.

I have taken a lot of the feedback I received into account and am excited to hear more in the future.

u/Charliemineboy — 4 days ago

Does anyone have a blank map of the provinces and states in TFR? (Specifically the US)

I am attempting to make a custom map based on TFR and can't find a map of the TFR state and province borders anywhere online.

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u/Charliemineboy — 7 days ago

Just got back from Sonic Temple

Outstanding performance. I’ve only been to a few concerts and this was far and away the greatest I’ve ever seen. The speakers were perfect so that I could stand close to the stage without earplugs. I could hear them very clearly. The crowd was very energetic and the stage work was great. Love this tour!!

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u/Charliemineboy — 7 days ago

My Take on a more Realistic TFR Scenario/Mod

When playing TFR, I was inspired to create a more grounded scenario and potential gameplay changes that would fit it. Before I explain the map, I am aware that this is a flawed map and am absolutely open to any and all (preferably constructive) criticism. I just whipped this up for fun the other day and thought I should share it to get people's opinions and ideas. If this post gets noticed I might expound on it further (i.e. paths and gameplay ideas). Instead of breaking the map up into self-contained regions that unify and then fight each other like in TFR, there is a greater focus on the overall conflict in this scenario. Additionally, Far-Left states will generally not fight with Biden until Trump is defeated, and Trump will generally not fight Far-Right factions until Biden is defeated.

Biden Federalists:

Similar Start, DC as the capital, but with control over more core territory in the North. Territorial control depends on pre-war decisions. Controls Unionist faction.

Trump Republic:

Trump being based out of Denver in TFR is often criticized, and I largely agree. I often hear it defended as being for "Gameplay reasons", which I'm sure have merit, but aren't as important for this scenario.

Trump in my scenario is based out of Florida, likely Tallahassee, or potentially Miami to stay near Mar-a-Lago. He controls much of the Deep South, with the exception of BLA and Klan/LotS regions, which I will get to later. He also controls most of the Great Plains and the Eastern half of the Rockies. Territorial control depends on pre-war decisions. Controls Constitutionalist faction.

Great Lakes Confederation

A coalition of Midwestern States formed immediately upon the outbreak of the Second American Civil War. Potential paths include the following:

  1. Siding with Biden
  2. Siding with Trump
  3. Neutrality (eventually either joining with the victor or going independent)
  4. Annexation into Canada

Patriot Front

Unlike in TFR, where they bizarrely start out in Connecticut (iirc this is supposed to be in order to counterbalance Biden's faction), but in this map, they are based out of Texas, as I believe they are in OTL. Prior to the war, they centralize power and vastly expand across the country, becoming an amalgam of many groups, more akin to the national front overall in TFR. Essentially any group that would be too far-right to support Trump's faction would probably join up with the Patriot Front. The paths would be similar to those in TFR, with the Mussolini-Esque Blueshirts, Ultraconservative Jacksonians, Autocratic Oligarch Thiel-ite Hamiltonians, and Neo-Nazis. Controls the National Front faction.

APLA

Similar to TFR, however they would start in the Pacific Northwest as well as Northern California.

Western Federal Command

Federalist-Aligned West Coast. Has the potential to split off from Federal Command, but is a puppet by Default.

New York Commune

Unlike the more initially unstable, militant, and ML/Tankie Aligned APLA, the New York Commune starts out relatively stable and more aligned with Libertarian or Democratic Socialist governance. Shortly after unrest began to unfurl across the nation, marches on Wall Street and against the municipal and state response culminated in a violent response and once the Civil War had fully begun, the establishment of an emergency government, largely free from the influence of Wall Street and the surrounding more-conservative suburbs. Demsocs and Socdems assumed control and declared neutrality in the conflict. The Federalists do not initially interfere as they are stretched quite thin as is and the Boroughs are heavily entrenched after only a few weeks. Despite the front lines not being on their borders, the commune does still face heavy internal and external resistance, especially in Long Island, where the NYPD has dug in and began a prolonged conflict against the Commune, in their eyes defending the wealthier regions of the city. Potential paths include the following:

  1. DSA-Left: Democratic Socialists, can ally with APLA but not usually with Biden.
  2. DSA-Right/Progressive Democrats: Social Democrats, can ally with Biden, unlikely to ally with APLA.
  3. Vanguardist ML faction

If the NYPD in Long Island captures Manhattan, or it collapses otherwise, the New York Commune will be abolished and can do either of the following:

  1. Annex into the Federalists, occupation zone enforced by NYPD and mafia.
  2. Join up with Trump's faction as a corporatocratic NYPD-state, with an emergency government.
  3. Neutrality, led by none else but Curtis Sliwa and his guardian angels.

League of the South

Unlike in TFR, I think it makes for a more interesting story and gameplay if the formation of this faction is optional. If the player's choices cause this faction to form, it will exist aligned, but not directly allied with Trump's government. If the League is not formed as a state, the Klan will pop up as a guerilla resistance in various areas in the Deep South. Potential paths may include:

  1. Reformist Revisionists. Made up of average racists and all that jazz, but not openly genocidal. More deport, less enslave. Southern Nationalists. Will probably ally with Trump, maybe with Patriot Front.
  2. Old Guard. Django Unchained shit, Southern Nationalists, the rest of the US forced into occupation zones. Can ally with Trump and Patriot Front.
  3. The KKK. National Unifier, will not ally with Trump, maybe with Patriot Front.
  4. Some weird esoteric protestant path ("Army of God", maybe). Something along the lines of the [Creativity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creativity_(religion)) religion. Hyper-Fundamentalist Ethnostate. National unifier, unlikely to ally with anyone.

Black Liberation Army

Akin to TFR as far as paths. Start out in major southern cities and control surrounding regions. Gameplay-wise, maybe pre-war decision trees could determine how the regions they control are distributed, as well as the capital.

Brown Berets

A coalition of left-wing Chicano militants. Mainly exist to combat Republican Border Command and Patriot Front. Neutral with Federalists, at least until Trump and Patriot Front are defeated. Paths would include the following:

  1. Unifying the southwest and allying with other Left-wing states and/or forming the Rainbow Coalition with the Southwest Tribal Authority and Pantherite Redneck Revolt.
  2. Annexation into Mexico (if unified by the Zapatistas)

Republican Border Command

Coalition of Right-wing Politicians, border patrol agents, and Militiamen. Puppet of American Republic.

Texas State Government

Only exists at the outset of the war, unless it goes down the Nationalist path. Potential paths include:

  1. Annexation into Patriot Front (Austin will rebel, massacre to follow)
  2. Annexation into Republicans (Border command will integrate into American Republic with Texas
  3. Texan Nationalism, independence.

Cascadian Militiamen

A loose collection of various right-wing militias in the Cascadian wilderness. They immediately encircle and make Spokane their main base of operations. They seek to destroy the APLA and 'restore order' to Cascadia. Potential paths after defeating APLA in Cascadia include the following:

1a. Alliance with Trump, Independence

1b. Alliance with Trump, Annexation

2a. Alliance with the Patriot Front. Fascists

2b. Alliance with the Patriot Front. Ultraconservatives

2c. Alliance with the Patriot Front. Ecofascists

Redneck Revolt

As in OTL, and unlike TFR, they are based out of Kansas, right in the heart of Trump's Great Plains. However their situation is not as desperate as it may seem. This region has disparate and stretched-thin Republican control. Additionally, Redneck Revolt can infiltrate countrysides prior to the war to expand their control greatly. They can also seek aid from various factions, although such action will influence their political paths. Outside of this, the paths would be roughly the same as TFR.

Appalachian Provisional Authority

Similar to the Great Lakes Confederation. Exists much more briefly however, as it can become annexed by one of the larger factions almost immediately after the war's start. Potential paths include the following:

  1. Annexation into Federalists.
  2. Annexation into Republic
  3. The Southern Portion is able to join the League of the South if formed.
  4. The Northern Portion is able to join the Great Lakes Confederacy.

Navajo Nation/Southwestern Tribal Authority

Kinda what it says on the tin. Can ally with Biden, Trump, or the Chicanos and Redneck Revolt to form the Rainbow Coalition and move from neolib to left.

Utah

The state government of Utah. Potential Paths include the following:

  1. Annexation into Republic
  2. Annexation into Western Federal Command
  3. Neutrality as Deseret, a Mormon State. Can annex neighboring Mormon-heavy regions, but stays Neutral until Unification.
  4. Alliance with Trump as Deseret. Can annex neighboring states, works to fight through the Great Basin against the Western Federal Command. More right-wing than any of the above paths, but still generally Democratic, albiet heavily controlled by the LDS.

5a. Alliance with Cascadian Militias and/or Patriot Front as Deseret. Utah transitions into a Mormon theocratic state with strict ultraconservative values. Nearby Mormon-heavy areas are forcibly annexed.

5b. Fundamentalist Latter-Day Saints (FLDS) Deseret, alliance with Cascadia and Patriot Front. Ultra-theocratic Fascist Ethnostate akin to the League of the South's 'Army of God'/Creativity path.

Bikers

Obviously a placeholder name. A warlord state that controls Northern California and seeks to "keep the peace" in the region. Likely to be quickly dispatched by the APLA and/or Western Federal command. They can annex into the Federalists, ally with Trump, or Join the Cascadian Militias.

Oklahoma Indians

Starts neutral to Biden-Trump Conflict, but faces resistance from Patriot Front, assuming they build support in Oklahoma prior to the war's outbreak.

Independent Corporate Regions

These regions, despite being the same color, are not allied or connected in any way. They are just labeled as such to denote that they are independent regions controlled by the wealthy of the region. They are largely defended by Mercenaries, often those who left the military at the outbreak of the civil war for better profits as part of PMCs.

These regions include the following:

- Santa Clara/Silicon Valley: Unlike the others on this list, they would have content. If the APLA in California is defeated, they would have the choice to join with Biden, Trump, or if the more Dark-Enlightenment Thiel-esque autocratic figures take hold, ally with the Patriot Front. If the Patriot Front goes Hamiltonian, they can take control of the Faction and break the US up into Neofeudal City States Curtis Yarvin-Style.

- Las Vegas-Hoover Dam: FNV Style neutrality for Sin City. Can later join with Biden, Trump, or stay neutral. Superevent for them being conquered by Fundamentalist Deseret (uh oh).

So that's my map. I've already made a ton of revision and am super excited to hear some feedback.

u/Charliemineboy — 8 days ago

We need a TFR version of this panel.

Gunther-Thragg
Biden-conquest
Anissa-The neosoc lady idfk
I’m too retarded too use photoshop

u/Charliemineboy — 12 days ago
▲ 7 r/NCSU

Is there a tabletop games or MTG club at NCSU? Everything I’m seeing online is years old. I know there are a few local game stores near the campus but are there any clubs or events ON campus?

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u/Charliemineboy — 25 days ago