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to start - I see Ian Curtis' work as one of the best examples of songwriting potential -

pure unconscious raw evocative force with powerfully hypnotic imagery - yet at the same time an enigmatic simplicity at its core

[Curtis himself said he wrote mostly unconsciously without giving the lyrics much of a second-thought [if my recall is right]

"to the center of the city in the night, waiting for you"

"in a room with a window in the corner I found truth"

I'm just interested in seeing what makes up a great song to the lot of you -

I'd give an example of a bad lyric to me as "I want a perfect body, I want a perfect soul"

since it feels overly needy to me - which leads me to cringe - and it also feels like a bit of a superficial wish - even if it seems otherwise - don't think anyone in a state of subsistence could even conceive of such a thought - and a perfect soul makes zero sense to me philosophically since life is imperfect it is impossible for me to even conceive of a perfect soul, since as I see it it would require the elimination of all of life's subtleties between good and evil - meaning, you can't have a perfect soul if you're willing to face life as it truly is - with all its noise and all its potential -

so for me good lyrics as opposed to bad lyrics are those which have philosophical grounding at its core - say I might've liked this line better if the song were simply a parody - so that it showed the silliness of such a line - and where it might lead - the wish for a perfect body also makes me think of a hyper-consumptive intensely self-absorbed state - which defeats the purpose of what a body is for - which is to find a way to connect, to create, to cross barriers - so I just find the line silly - it tells me nothing, and it just shows me this self-absorbed neediness to the extreme

so aye, I hope this is enough for you all to start some kind of discussion -

if anyone has questions this might be an interesting topic of philosophical exploration -

so the short film is mostly just an improvised monologue on why Donnie's response to Monnitoff falls apart "not if you're travelling within God's channel" -

being a bit of a rabbit pulled out of a hat - [Donnie would have to account for the fact that there's no theoretical groundwork for this so-called channel - so that basically you can apply any meaning to it - and get from point A to point B - without taking Monnitoff's already insightful response into account -

which is: if you could see into the future, you'd be given a choice, and this choice itself collapses the "destined path"

so interestingly Donnie's paradox is that his idea of free will is basically nonexistent if he's subsuming free will to a higher power - which he is -

so in Donnie's view there's no betrayal of the seen future - not even a possibility of its betrayal - because a higher power is directing the path - or maybe he just sees his own path as being guided by this higher power - so that it only makes sense if there's no free will -

which I actually just realized now - that Donnie's argument is really an argument against free will - conscious or not - at least in this specific scenario where he's theorizing with Monnitoff

what's your view?

would a found footage short film with a fictional professor who actually continues the conversation be interesting to the lot of you?

a bit of a problem is that Blair Witch Project mystery of "is this real?" can't really be replicated anymore - yet it could have been done - if only they thought of doing that with the Backrooms movie - which would've been awesome - which means it actually can be replicated - I think Cannibal Holocaust did this as well - yes I looked and they did this in 1980 - Blair Witch in 1999 - I haven't had the will nor the wish to watch Cannibal Holocaust since all I ever see in the back of my mind is a monkey losing its skull to mad filmmakers - but if you care to comment on it go for it -

I just recalled the Real Blair Witch [2003] where a group of teens actually kidnapped a girl in their friend group for Blair-Witch inspired filmmaking purposes - which is an interesting aside - edit: interesting for the dark potential of found footage within filmmakers, so that it becomes misused as something it never should've been, crossing the dark edge from filmmaking to crime

would be nice to have a list of found footage movies which have historically attempted this "is this real?" hoax framing - if anyone cares to add to the list

but I can't really think of another concept other than the Backrooms which a modern audience might've been gullible enough to buy it -

what's another idea which might be a nice one for others to buy as a true found footage movie a la Blair Witch?

do you think the Backrooms movie might've been able to pull this off? [for a general audience mostly unaware of the backrooms concept -