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How Do You Promote Music When You Don’t Particularly Want to Talk to Anyone?

I have discovered a flaw in my approach to music.
Apparently, after making it, you are supposed to tell people it exists.
This seems unnecessarily complicated.
I can write the songs.
I can record them.
I can spend several months adjusting a vocal by fractions of a decibel until both the recording and I have lost all sense of proportion.
I can build a website.
I can upload the music.
I can write about what the songs mean.
Then comes the part called marketing.
I despise marketing.
Not because I think musicians should somehow be above it.
That would be convenient nonsense.
If nobody knows the music exists, nobody can listen to it.
The problem is much simpler.
I do not know anybody.
And nobody knows me.
The Comfortable Problem
This is largely self-inflicted.
I like isolation.
Quite a lot.
There are people who describe isolation as though it is automatically a tragedy.
For me, it is usually Tuesday.
I like being self-contained.
I like working alone.
I like not having to explain where I am going, what I am doing, why I am quiet, whether I am enjoying myself, or what I thought of somebody’s holiday photographs.
Solitude removes variables.
It is peaceful.
It is predictable.
It is also, as it turns out, spectacularly inefficient when attempting to build an audience.
The qualities that make it possible for me to sit alone for hours writing, recording and producing music are almost exactly the qualities that make promoting it difficult.
That is mildly inconvenient.
Apparently You Need People
The usual advice is reasonable.
Build relationships.
Engage with the community.
Network.
Start conversations.
Reach out.
Be visible.
Interact consistently.
All very sensible.
Unfortunately, each instruction appears to contain people.
This creates complications.
I do not naturally walk into a room and begin introducing myself.
I do not do the digital equivalent particularly well either.
The internet is often described as easier for people who dislike social interaction.
Perhaps.
There is physical distance.
There is time to think before responding.
Nobody is standing three inches away holding a drink and asking what I do for a living.
These are all improvements.
But the underlying system is still social.
You are still expected to approach people.
Respond correctly.
Join conversations.
Know when to speak.
Know when not to speak.
Be interesting without appearing to try too hard.
Promote yourself without appearing to promote yourself.
Apparently the rules followed us online.
They simply acquired buttons.
The Strange Position of Wanting to Be Heard
This is where the contradiction becomes interesting.
I do not particularly want attention.
I do want the music heard.
Those are not the same thing.
I have no great desire to become publicly familiar.
I do not want strangers knowing every detail of my life.
I do not want to manufacture a version of myself designed to be constantly available.
SHANNOW exists partly because boundaries are useful.
There is the music.
There are the words.
There is the stage identity.
That should be enough.
And yet I still want somebody to hear what I made.
Anybody.
Not because I require approval.
That distinction matters.
If somebody dislikes the music, fine.
If they disagree with the lyrics, also fine.
I am not looking for permission to believe what I believe.
But music is communication.
Eventually communication requires somebody at the other end.
Otherwise I have spent several months sending extremely elaborate messages to a hard drive.
The hard drive has offered very little feedback.
Marketing Feels Like Asking for Attention
I think this is the part I dislike most.
Promotion often feels like standing in a room and announcing:
Please look at me.
I have spent most of my life attempting the opposite.
Now I am supposed to interrupt strangers repeatedly to explain that I have released something.
Listen to this.
Read this.
Watch this.
Pre-save this.
Follow this.
Subscribe to this.
Here is another photograph of me reminding you about the thing I mentioned yesterday.
I understand the mechanism.
Repetition creates awareness.
Awareness creates familiarity.
Familiarity may eventually create interest.
Unfortunately, from inside my head, repetition quickly starts to feel like harassment.
I mentioned the EP on Monday.
They know.
Marketing apparently responds:
Mention it again.
This feels unreasonable.
Marketing does not appear troubled.
Nobody Is Waiting
There is another fact worth acknowledging.
Nobody is waiting for my record.
That is not self-pity.
It is mathematics.
I am an independent artist without a large existing audience.
Nobody has been watching a countdown clock for six months.
There will not be crowds outside record shops at midnight.
There are barely record shops.
If I release Fat-Cat Democracy quietly and tell nobody, the world will continue with remarkable composure.
That means I have to create the first bit of attention myself.
This is where people sometimes suggest confidence.
Confidence is not the issue.
I believe in the record.
I know why I made it.
I know what the songs are trying to do.
The difficulty is converting:
I made something I think is worth hearing
into:
Hello, stranger. I have decided that your afternoon requires my music.
There is a social step between those statements that I do not naturally possess.
The Algorithm Is Not a Friend
There is always the algorithm.
A wonderfully reassuring word.
Apparently if I post consistently, use the correct formats, encourage engagement, choose suitable hashtags, maintain retention and satisfy several other requirements known only to a server farm, the algorithm may show my work to somebody.
Possibly.
This is a peculiar relationship.
I make music about human behaviour.
Then I present it to a machine in the hope that it will introduce me to humans.
Progress.
The machine also prefers engagement.
So once again we arrive at conversation.
There appears to be no escape.
I Can Explain a Song. Selling It Is Different.
Give me a lyric and I can tell you why the line is there.
Ask me why White Gloves is written through Iago and I can explain it.
Ask why the portrait in Inheritance begins by assuming its suffering must be deserved and I know exactly what interested me.
Ask me about the anger in Fat-Cat Democracy, or Kat and Pete refusing to bend in Tramlines and Teeth, and there is something to discuss.
That feels natural.
Because there is a subject.
“Buy my EP” contains considerably less intellectual material.
Perhaps that is the solution.
Maybe I should stop trying to become good at marketing.
Perhaps I should become good at explaining why the work exists.
Those are not quite the same thing.
I Can Do This Part
I can write.
I can explain.
I can make observations.
I can show the machinery behind a song.
I can discuss lyrics, production, characters, mistakes, decisions and the occasional plug-in that appears to have been designed by somebody with a personal objection to accessibility.
That I understand.
If somebody discovers the music through one of those things, good.
If ten people read a post and one listens to the record, that is one person who was not there before.
Perhaps audience-building does not have to mean becoming socially omnipresent.
Perhaps it can mean leaving enough evidence in enough places that somebody eventually finds it.
That sounds more manageable.
Less networking.
More breadcrumbs.
The Uncomfortable Requirement
I still have to make myself visible.
There is no clever philosophical argument that removes that requirement.
If I want the music heard, I have to tell people it exists.
More than once.
I have to tolerate the possibility that nobody reacts.
Then post again.
I have to accept that silence does not necessarily mean rejection.
Sometimes it simply means the post disappeared underneath a photograph of somebody’s dinner.
The competition is formidable.
And I have to interact occasionally.
This is perhaps the most alarming development.
Somebody might comment.
I may have to answer.
Fortunately written language contains a useful invention called the full stop.
SHANNOW Is Both the Problem and the Solution
SHANNOW is comfortable alone.
That is part of him.
It is not branding.
It is not cultivated mystery.
If nobody spoke to me for several days, I would not necessarily identify a problem.
But SHANNOW also makes music.
And making music while insisting that nobody come near it is slightly absurd.
So there has to be a compromise.
I do not need to become an influencer.
I do not need to pretend I enjoy networking.
I do not need to document breakfast.
I do not need to manufacture enthusiasm every morning.
I can simply keep putting the work where people might encounter it.
A song.
A lyric.
A thought.
A photograph.
A blog.
Another song.
Repeat.
Not because I enjoy marketing.
Because I want the music to have a chance of reaching somebody other than me.
Somebody, Somewhere
I do not know who will listen to Fat-Cat Democracy.
Perhaps very few people.
Perhaps more than I expect.
Perhaps somebody finds one track six months from now at two in the morning because an algorithm finally became useful.
I cannot control that.
I can only make the record available.
Explain why it exists.
Keep pointing towards it occasionally.
Then hope that somewhere there is another person who likes heavy music, uncomfortable questions, strange narrators and songs that do not explain themselves immediately.
I do not need everybody.
I am not entirely convinced I would know what to do with everybody.
Somebody will do.
Then perhaps somebody else.
That appears to be how audiences begin.
One stranger at a time.
Which is unfortunate.
Strangers are people.
Still, I made the music to be heard.
So I suppose I had better mention it.
FAT-CAT DEMOCRACY
14 October.
Four songs about power, manipulation, survival and consequence.
This has been marketing.
I apologise for the disturbance.
— SHANNOW

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u/CrunchyKipper — 4 days ago
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Does depression/mental exhaustion affect your writing?

I am suffering right now and can’t write. I know we are supposed to write daily so it just makes me feel further behind. If you have ever experienced these problems did it affect your writing?

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u/MightyMe87 — 3 days ago
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writing meaningful lyrics

Hi everyone! 😊 I love music and songwriting, especially writing meaningful lyrics. I'd love to connect with people who enjoy creating songs, sharing ideas, and collaborating on new projects. Is anyone here interested in writing lyrics together? 🎶

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u/Puzzled_Lynx8146 — 3 days ago
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”Prologue“ (Gibberish vocals) - Seeking lyrics and arrangement

我不會演奏任何樂器或寫歌詞,也沒有接受過正式的聲樂訓練。我純粹用無意義的聲音創作音樂。

如果有興趣,隨時可以寫歌詞和編曲。

不需要嚴格遵循原始的類型。隨便將它轉變為任何合適的風格,只要不相抵觸。但請確保歌詞不是粗俗或冒犯的,並提前分享一般的創作方向,這樣我們可以避免不小心踩到敏感的地雷。

發行後,請把我認作作曲者,並將最後的音頻發回給我,以便我可以在其他平台上發布。當然,所有參與者也會全權被認為是共同創作者。

Others:
https://youtube.com/@joseyvin?si=a6CgAEKfog6f-CBk

joseyvin0958@gmail.com

u/joSEYvin — 6 days ago

Someone said my music is only for millennials. I don’t feel like that, but Ive heard it more than once. Be honest.

Love Takes A Turn

u/AceOfAllTradesKinda — 10 days ago

songs that capture the grind of physical work without romanticizing it

spent twelve hours on my feet today moving patients between beds and chairs and back again. came home too tired to hold my guitar properly. got to thinking how few songs actually capture what repetitive physical labor feels like. the boredom mixed with having to stay alert. your mind drifts off but your body stays stuck in the same motions. most working class songs either make the work sound noble or turn it into some kind of noble suffering, and neither matches what my shifts actually feel like. looking for songs about service work, healthcare, any kind of body work where the exhaustion comes through without the singer making themselves the center of it. my partner does office work and we joke that our tiredness doesn’t even belong to the same species, but neither of us can think of songs that actually describe either kind. what have you heard that gets at the actual feel of doing paid physical work, not some idea of it.

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u/plasticarchive — 10 days ago

Feedback/Critique Please | Slow songs are the bane of me

I've been writing this piece since the early summer, and I've had so much difficulty trying to find a place for it to sit as far as style/sound/feeling/authenticity, and it has been driving me absolutely insane!!! I play it several times a day to try to get it refined to a point where I feel like it's DONE, but it's just not getting there as far as I'm concerned. The only thing more difficult to properly write than a slow song is a happy song..

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However, I'm taking some of the previous feedback from previous posts and sharing it anyway for critique. It's not a perfect take for sure, but I'm looking for any insight/feedback/critique/ possible directions that I can continue to push this towards, and also whether you feel like this is post worthy or not on social media platforms.

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I also love reading everybody trying to discern what the piece is about. Thanks so much for any input you can give. I truly appreciate you, your time, and your support!

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June

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(Verse 1)

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I'm not letting on

That there's too much grass in between

Here and there

And i might burn it on my way

Back to you

Now with everything in bloom

here's to you

Here's to all that you are

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(Instrumental bridge)

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(Verse 2)

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So what's the use

When worlds were spinning on their end

To hide the news

That horror's screaming through your door

How's the wounds?

Likely scarring here in June

They're from all that you guard

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(Bridge)

So long

So long

So long

I'd trade you moments for the sun

Time for wisdom in the wrong

So long

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-Instrumental-

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(Verse 3)

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I write to you

With words that shimmer off the pen

About the view

And all the love that you'll endure

Now in June

Days are falling back in tune

It's for all that you are.

u/Adam_Sierzega — 9 days ago
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A new acoustic song for feedback

I usually do guitar driven rock but this is my attempt at an all acoustic song. I’d love to hear any feedback.

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u/ripmedownholdmeup — 7 days ago

Fellow songwriters: what gets in the way of turning your songs into demos?

I'm a folk singer-songwriter with a mic and an audio interface. I can record and do the basics in a DAW, but I'd like to make decent demos of my songs on my own.

Recently I tried using Astra to help duplicate vocal tracks and set up different settings on each version. I could listen, compare, and choose what I liked. That was a real wow moment for me, and it got me thinking about building a small tool around this kind of help for other songwriters.

For those of you who write songs and are still learning to record and produce them: think of the last song you tried to turn into a demo. Where did you get stuck, if anywhere, and what did you try next?

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u/little_universe729 — 9 days ago

How do you put lyrics to a melody??

I’m a very talented writer. I wish I could write songs but I can’t, instead, I just write poems. I’m not planning to make up melodies or anything, but more so just lyrics. When I search up “__ type beats” on YouTube and it gives me a blank slate of music to create my own lyrics to, I’m lost. How do you come up with that lyrical flow/rhythm. Such as when you say things, how much you say of something, at what speed, and at what rhythm and flow north important. The overall flow of the lyrics. You get me?

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u/r0ckcandysweet — 8 days ago

Few mistakes in the vocal performance, but any feedback on the song itself appreciated. It’s recorded version is much better

Vocals are trash but how’s the song itself? I don’t do well live performances cause of my breathe and allergies but figured I’d show my song Marry Me. Any advice is greatly appreciated, pretty nervous posting this lol

u/AceOfAllTradesKinda — 9 days ago

Sorry for the Aussie accent 😂 Water To Dolphins (raw first song / folk). Love some feedback.

Ok so this is my first crack at song writing and just want a little feedback.
I’m not really a musician or anything - I just like writing poetry and chucking chords behind it - so my songs (you know all one of them) seem to take shape around short stories

Keen to hear any kind of feedback - if you enjoy it, what sucks etc. it’s too long I think - I don’t feel I’m a very efficient song writer at all 😂

Also apologies for the Aussie accent if it offends - I’ve tried singing in a more neutral way but it just goes full blown American country - which sounds cool to me but doesn’t feel authentic when I’m singing about Aussies.

Lyrics below:

Wading through rich people’s shit for pay
Roof fabric of his hatchback, hanging down
Dad said "One day you’ll be doin the kickin’
Out of a new shit kicker, son."

Son you can’t sell water to the dolphins
And those closest to you will always lend a hand
And you can’t make money out of hoping
But you gotta make your mark on this land

Saved up all his pay to get a ticket
He takes his seat next to a family with Bluey on
never been away from my folks for this long”
He says “I can’t wait to show ‘em all that I done”

A Flowered shirt, flimsy Rolex slippin’ on his wrist
Sits beside him on an island bar at sunset
This cunning wolf says ‘ I once I was just like you’ (F C G Am)
Come with me come back to my homestead

His house had rope swings from the rafters
Ring lights, fruit platters, tanned young men
Breath work, cold plunges, selling water filters
This is the life of high ticket sales come on in

Son you can’t sell water to the dolphins
And those closest to you will always lend a hand
And you can’t make money out of hoping
But you gotta make your mark on this land

He started with shilling to his family tree
Then to his junior football coach on the phone
We ain’t spoken in years leave me alone
Burning bridges only works if you don’t need it to get home

His dad told him look here son I been around
And I saw them ole pyramids down in Mexico
And that one you got for yourself ain't those
So why don't you come right on home.

Son you can’t sell water to the dolphins
You didn’t listen to what I told
And you can’t make money out of hoping
Turns out, you’re the one bein’ sold

Bright white veneers never hid the rotten
Takes it’s toll, being of the lucky few
Bleeding you dry then they call you brother
The price of entry was everyone he knew

Sitting at the sunset bar - Rolex slipping on his wrist
Empty stool beside him as he settles his bill
Packs his suitcase, wraps his souvenirs for mum
His legs swing gently from the rafters, then they’re still

u/Gozney_Newbie — 9 days ago

Structure Help

I noticed this in a song recently and wasn't able to find an answer for how this would be written in formal song structure.

If a song ALWAYS has the chorus repeat one additional time (with no verse or anything in between), is it:

  1. Just annotated as one really long chorus?

  2. Do you put space between them but add no label for the repeat section?

  3. Do you label the repeated chorus seperately from the first?

  4. Something else?

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u/dyingdotorg — 8 days ago

Is writing in a self-conscious way really bringing me down?

Is writing in a controlled, self-conscious way really bringing me down? Like, always coming up with a preconceived idea first will just make me slow? I want to understand multiple perspectives.

My process goes like:

  1. Think of any idea/theme first
  2. Write freely based on that theme
  3. Compose a melody
  4. Try to write around that melody, fitting the syllables while considering the prosody

However, some people told me that they write without a plan, and instead just comes up with random words at first and then purely builds off of that, and I was told that my way might be bringing my writing process down. I'm uncertain how it can.

Is this ultimately another situation of that different methods will suit different people?

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u/SomeMusician2413 — 9 days ago
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Female Vocalist Looking for New Music to Work On With Independent Artist, Musicians, And Producers

Hello everyone, I’m Angela, a female session vocalist and recording artist. I’m looking to connect with artists, producers, and songwriters who have songs, demos, or ideas that need a female voice.

I genuinely enjoy working with independent artists and helping turn lyrics and ideas into vocals that feel authentic to the track. I’m open to different styles, including R&B, Pop, EDM, House, Alternative, and other contemporary styles. I can help with lead vocals, hooks, harmonies, backing vocals, ad-libs, doubles, and toplines.

If you have an unfinished track, demo, or even just an idea you’re developing, feel free to tell me a little about it. I’d love to hear what you’re creating and see if my voice fits the direction of the song.

You can hear some of my vocal work here:
https://on.soundcloud.com/rnrciWDqNuFvyL0Hlw

Much love,
Angela

u/Angela-sings — 9 days ago

Battle of the Bobs

Pretty simple, who’s music do you like better?
It could be for songwriting prowess, cultural impact, musicality, whatever, just which do you prefer?

View Poll

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u/EthelBlue — 9 days ago

Looking for a vocalist/lyricist for experimental music

Hello! I am a songwriter, producer, and pianist. I usually make experimental music, whether it is a trip through space or unconventional harmony in a pop/rock song. I love experimenting with musical possibilities.

I'm looking for a vocalist and lyricist with whom we can build a song together, from the initial songwriting and musical ideas to a fully finished track.

I can contribute piano, songwriting, chords, and arranging alongside you. I'd love for the collaborator to bring their own musical ideas and direction. I've been playing piano for 13 years and producing for 1 year, and I've produced 9 indie tracks that I have written.

Here are some examples of my work:
https://youtu.be/Y4guFGksL5U?si=axUN5CZ-BK23W-zn
https://vocaroo.com/14prjmfRgatU
https://vocaroo.com/18BnZdyhLjuz

If this sounds interesting, please DM!

u/gtMANGAMER2 — 9 days ago