


Common comment: "I'm waiting for 36 inch" / "Why not 36 inch"
Quick long post, but a vote would be appreciated.
Waiting for 36 inch is silly, because it's been around, mountainbikes to be exact, for 20 years.
Main downside: it's got the same tire choice as 32" had until very recently when Maxxis made the first high end tire for it.
But why not 36"? Well, obviously, that's pushing it for "regular" people.
How does that work out practically, then?
I've here overlaid my 2014 29"Cube XL (a short bike by today's standards, S frames have the same wheelbase now), with a sketch of a 36"er with the exact same fit.
Fork is a hypothetical 100 mm fork. Even if I'd use a Fox Podium, with this front wheel it would only give 85 mm of travel. I've given it 70 mm of offset to get the front to steer, and keep away from the toes a bit better.
Head tube is steep for a modern bike, slack for vintage bike, but we don't want the bike to feel too long and front heavy.
BB is slightly higher, in part due to the hypothetical girthy 36x2.4" fitted. They're bigger than the moped-like tires available in 36" now.
The rims are 101 mm larger than 32" wheels. There, 450 mm chainstays are doable, so I've just added 50 mm and used 500 mm. Due to the extra 50 mm of BB dropm the horizontal chainstay length isn't all that bad.
I've had to bend the heck out of the seat tube to still end up with my seat where I like it. Not great for most dropper posts, but that's a factor with 32" bikes to some degree as well, unless the chainstays are also in the 500 mm range.
Note how tight the main frame triangle gets.
Reach is short for a modern XL, long for a vintage one.
With that super tall front end, to achieve the standard seat to bar drop of a 2014 XL hardtail, takes both a weird droopy stem and a flipped 50 mm riser bar of sorts.
How does such a bike ride? Well, there are very similar bikes out there. Even with a suspension fork. NBA legend Rick Smits rides one with a travel reduced dual crown fork.
Reviews are out there, but none are with high quality tires.
According to Siberian bike wizard torXlab, it's possible to give a 32" tire a kevlar bead transplant. Rip out the 686 mm one, and sew in a 787 mm one, furnished from 37-39 winding of thin kevlar bead. That's what he's doing to scale tires up to a size they're not available in. Due to tire threads being a diagonal weave, the tire just adheres to the shape dictated by the bead diameter.
Someone will eventually make a high-end 36" tire, either through the above described method, or by building the mold. A high 5 figure endeavor, but owners of existing 36" molds may be able to modify their equipment to produce a larger, more high end tire.
Even for an XL rider, a super high end 36" bike seems just a bit too much, right? Absolutelutely.
That said, with S riders so comfortable on their 29" bikes, it's really not that far fetched. I weigh over double of what an XC World Cup race winner at 4'11/151 cm weighs, and I'm 28% taller. She's on 29" wheels so I ought to be able to handle a 20 kg 37" bike just fine.
Hard to imagine, but what are the arguments for it to not work? Even the wheelbase isn't super outragious. A bit clumsy long, but how many turns per ride does that bother me?
We do deal with diminishing returns here.
A 14% taller wheel (over 32", our new base line) will of course roll over obstacles better and generate less rolling resistance on any surface. The gains there get ever smaller as there's less resistance to reduce from.
At the same time, the extra weight needed in the rims, spokes and fork to support this next dimension...it's simply going to add more weight with every per cent we scale up.
Tire weight, that's the least of my worries. 14% more, the overall weight of the rider+bike barely changes, after all.
Frame weight, hardly different. A bit more strengthening at the head tube, I guess.
There are some M riders on 36" bikes, but no-one claims it's an appropriate size for them. They do think it's a fun ride, though, and commenters so sometimes forget that most of us rider for fun. Commenters were really upset about 29" arriving, and have now grown over that. 32" is the next thing to be upset about. History doesn't repeat but it sure does rhyme.
Would I want a 36" bike? Well, sort of.
20 years ago when I'd posted a similar drawing and frame builders found new business creating this weird new reality on wheels, one of those builders offered to build me a frame and for fork free. Super generous. I declined the offer as I just didn't see myself allocating the funds to building it up to a bike any time soon.
If there were a group buy for a carbon frame and someone created the crucial high quality tires...I'd be mightily tempted. Carbon rims already exist, funnily enough.
Would I expect to be faster around my usual loops with a 36"er over a 32"er? Not really. On some really rough gravel roads that force pro riders into a hiking session, I do think a 36" bike would just truck over it unencumbered. Let alone descending rough roads and trails. Just a different game. Overall on a typical ride...probably a handful. Just like a fancy 29" bike is to a World Cup winning lady. You get used to it, you get proficient at it, and from there, anything smaller just feels undersized, probably :)
When someone does build a high end 36" bike and tire, I definitely do want to experience it.
For now, 32" seems more than fine, and 34" I may just keep all to myself when torXlab gets his custom tire business up and running :-D