u/Competitive_Use_3052

Im rewatching TVD and I’m genuinely starting to notice this pattern with Stefan and Elena. Stefan absolutely had a habit of turning questions about his own behavior into “well, what about Damon?” Like sir??? 😭

Like, whenever Stefan and Elena would have an argument about Katherine or something Stefan did, somehow Damon would get dragged into the conversation even when Damon had literally nothing to do with what they were talking about.

For example, I just watched the scene where Elena asks Stefan how he could love her knowing that she looked exactly like Katherine. And instead of just answering the question honestly, Stefan basically goes “you’re reaching, that’s Damon, not me.”

LIKE???? 😭 What does Damon have to do with the question Elena just asked you?? She asked about YOUR feelings. Just answer her!!

And then there’s season 3 when Stefan was in his ripper phase and Elena was questioning him about whether he had killed someone. Stefan gets defensive and starts bringing up Damon, basically asking if Elena has ever questioned Damon about killing people.
SIR???? Damon is not the person being asked the question. JUST ANSWER YES OR NO.

And then season 4 REALLY made me notice it. Elena had just become a vampire and had found out Stefan had been lying to her. She was already ignoring him, and after she put a knife to Jeremy’s neck, she called Damon for help instead of Stefan. When Stefan finally got there, she still ignored him. Then Stefan asks what he can do to help, and Elena says, “I don’t want your help.”

And Stefan’s response is basically, “But you’re accepting Damon’s?” ELENA HAD TO TELL HIM AGAIN” This has nothing to do with Damon. You were the one who lied to me, not Damon. You told me I could trust you, but you broke that trust.”

And granted, I KNOW Stefan was lying because Klaus was blackmailing him and forcing him to keep the cure a secret to protect Elena. I understand why he did what he did. But STILL

The constant bringing up of Damon whenever Elena was upset with Stefan is what gets me. Like why are you reminding her of Damon’s actions every time YOU screw up?? It almost feels like he’s trying to shift the focus from “I hurt your trust” to “but Damon has done bad things too.”

I’m not even saying Damon was innocent or that Elena never should’ve questioned Damon, because obviously she should have. I’m just saying sometimes Elena would be talking to STEFAN about STEFAN and somehow Damon would become the topic. Maybe I’m just noticing it more because I’m rewatching, but once I started noticing it I literally couldn’t unsee it 😭

Edit: just realized the first example was when they were fake fighting but my opinion still stands

So I rewatched Spiderman across the spider verse and the more I think about Miguel’s argument, the less convinced I am that he’s completely right. Miles was never supposed to become Spider-Man in Earth-1610. The spider that bit him came from Earth-42 and ended up in his universe because of the multiverse/collider situation. He didn’t replace another Miles, travel to another universe, or take over someone else’s life. He became Spider-Man because the wrong spider ended up in his universe. So why does Miguel expect Miles to follow the exact same canon events as every other Spider-Man? Miguel’s situation was completely different. He went into another universe where a version of himself had died and took that person’s place. That universe collapsed. But Miles isn’t doing anything like that. He isn’t replacing another version of himself or taking over a universe that belonged to someone else. He’s living in his own universe. Then there’s The Spot. The spider being moved, Miles becoming Spider-Man, the collider accident, and Ohnn becoming the Spot all connect to each other. The Spot eventually becomes a major multiversal threat, so how do we know every problem in the Spider-Verse is caused by breaking canon events? When Mumbattan starts falling apart, how do we know the destruction is entirely because a canon event was disrupted and not because of the Spot and the collider? Maybe Miguel is right that Miles being an anomaly is causing instability, but that doesn’t necessarily mean Miles is responsible for the problem. He may be the result of something that happened before he even became Spider-Man. That’s also why I question the idea that Miles automatically has to experience the same canon events as every other Spider-Man. If he became Spider-Man through circumstances that were already different from the beginning, why assume his story has to follow the exact same path? if Miles becoming Spider-Man was already caused by something changing his universe before Miles ever had the chance to change anything himself, then didn’t the multiverse already interfere with Miles’ universe first? I understand why Miguel is terrified, especially after losing a universe himself. If he genuinely believes Jeff’s death is connected to the survival of Miles’ universe, I understand why he would do everything he could to stop Miles from interfering. But his experience involved replacing another version of himself in another universe, which is not the same situation Miles is in. My biggest question is simply: How do we actually know that Jeff has to die or Miles’ universe will collapse? Miguel believes it, and there is evidence that canon events happen repeatedly, but that doesn’t necessarily prove that every canon event is required for a universe to survive. Maybe Miguel is right. Maybe he’s wrong. I just think there are enough contradictions that his theory shouldn’t be treated as an absolute fact. And honestly, that’s why I don’t blame Miles for questioning Miguel. From Miles’ perspective, he’s being told that his dad has to die based on a theory that hasn’t been completely proven, and he has every reason to want to challenge that. To me, the conflict is really about fate vs. free will. Miguel believes Spider-Man has to accept the story he’s given, while Miles believes he should be able to change his own story. And personally, I side with Miles not because I know Miguel is completely wrong, but because I don’t think Miles should be expected to accept his dad’s death as unavoidable when nobody has actually proven that it has to happen. What do you guys think? Is Miguel actually right, or is his trauma making him interpret canon events as something more absolute than they really are? I guess my questions will be answered in the next movie I just had to rant.