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I like ATSV Ben Reilly, but I do wish he was more like ACTUAL comic Ben.

So I gave him a more typical Spider-Man voice! Cristopher Daniel Barnes, to be precise.

The audio used is from Spider-Man: Edge of Time, and the 1994 animated series.

u/Financial-Touch3840 — 4 days ago

All the points my hg and me collected when taking notes for an in-depth analysis on Miguel

We did this for a school project (film analysis, us both being Spiderman fanatics… yeah.) and wanted to share, also to get further inputs or feedback, content- and animation-analysis-wise. Also English is neither of our first languages and we‘re writing this super tired after taking hours on the analysis.

Also REALLY IMPORTANT we‘re not looking for backlash on being pro-Miguel 😋
My hg got tasked to rewrite it a fourth time so we can post it on reddit so this is a reddit-post-formatted-version.

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I've been working on a film analysis of Across the Spider-Verse and went down a serious rabbit hole about Miguel O'Hara. The deeper I looked, the more convinced I got that he's not the antagonist at all, the movie just frames him as one, and the key to the whole character is hiding in his name. Long post, but stay for the Archangel part, that's where it gets good.

1. The framing is doing all the heavy lifting
Think about how Miguel is presented versus what he does. Presentation: darkest color palette of any Spider-person, introduced high above with his back turned, shot from low angles like a monument, horror-movie music every time he appears, claws, fangs, a skull-shaped spider on his chest, and he hunts Miles on all fours like a predator instead of swinging elegantly like literally every other Spider-person (Gwen even calls him a "blue panther"). He's the only Spider-Man who isn't funny, Peter B. points it out to his face.
Even the animation singles him out: everyone else is soft and cartoony, Miguel is rendered with harsh, jagged lines from his cold Syd-Mead-style 2099 universe. He looks wrong among his own people. All of that is presentation. None of it is action.

2. His actual actions are the most heroic in the movie
Watch the scenes without the scary music in mind. He explains canon events to Miles calmly, almost gently, hands on his hips, non-threatening, on Miles' eye level. "Everyone wants to live the life they wish they had. Believe me, l've tried." The man is speaking from trauma, he replaced a dead version of himself in another universe, got to be a father to a version of his daughter, and watched that entire universe disintegrate because of it. He only cages Miles when it's obvious he'll bolt and cause even more damage than he already did in Pavitr's dimension. In the train fight he visibly holds back (he's surrounded by Spider-people 24/7, he knows exactly how much force a Spider-person can take) and spends the whole fight desperately trying to make eye contact while Miles avoids it. He doesn't want to win.
He wants Miles to listen.

He's also Kingpin's dark mirror from the first movie: same tragedy (a dead child), opposite conclusion. Kingpin would sacrifice the multiverse to get his family back. Miguel sacrificed his own happiness to make sure nobody else ever loses theirs. And unlike Miles, he actually lives by "with great power comes great responsibility", to the point of self-destruction.

3. The Archangel Michael thing (the part that broke my brain)
Miguel is the Spanish/Portuguese form of Michael. In the Bible, that's the Archangel Michael the name literally means "Who is like God?". In the Book of Daniel and in Revelation, Michael is the leader of the heavenly armies, the great protector who commands the angelic host and casts out evil.
Now map that onto the movie:
Michael leads an army of angels → Miguel leads an army of hundreds of Spider-people who trust him completely and follow him without question. (Ask yourself: would hundreds of Spider-Men (the most moral characters in fiction) follow an actual villain?)
Michael defends the divine order → Miguel defends the canon, the cosmic order that keeps every universe alive.
Michael is a warrior-protector, not a soft cherub. Biblically accurate angels are terrifying, the first thing they say to humans is "be not afraid," because their appearance inspires dread. They are frightening on purpose, so they can drive out evil.
That is exactly Miguel: the iconography of a demon (claws, fangs, glowing red eyes) but the function of a guardian angel. His scary appearance isn't evidence of evil, it's the tool of his protective role.
And the movie knows it. Look at the shot at 1:49:47, right after "We're supposed to be the good guys." / "We are." Miguel in total darkness, red eyes glowing, framed from below, monumental, looking down in judgment. That's not villain framing. That's divine wrath framing. Renaissance-painting, angel-of-judgment imagery.
You can even push it further: Michael's counterpart is the fallen angel. Miguel fell once, he broke canon himself, tasted the life he wanted, and lost everything for it. He's a fallen angel who climbed back up and now guards the gate so nobody else falls the way he did.
Meanwhile the actual designated villain, The Spot, gets maybe ten minutes of screentime.

TL;DR
The movie uses every cinematic trick, framing, color, music, animation style, POV bias (we see everything through Miles, whose lovable dad gets tons of warm scenes while Miguel's dead daughter gets one flashback) to make you hate a guardian angel. His name, his army, his role and his "terrifying protector" imagery are all Archangel Michael. He's the parent who's willing to be the bad guy in his kid's eyes to keep everyone safe.
So: villain, antagonist, or the only adult in the room getting punished by the narrative for it?
Genuinely curious about takes I haven't considered, especially if you think the archangel reading is a stretch.

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u/EmaPikachu — 4 days ago

Plot hole in Across the Spider-Verse

When Miles meets Miguel he explains that disrupting Canon events creates holes in the universe, basically ending that world. Then he goes on to explain that Miles has yet to experience his Canon event. I thought the whole point of the prowler was to be a parallel with Uncle Ben thus being his Canon event. I feel it would have been better if miles just understood the hypocrisy of allowing people to die while being hero rather than just needing to protect his father, which is still noble, but still a plot hole in Miguel's logic.

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u/Kid_Kanye71 — 4 days ago

What happens to someone who wear the watch when their universe is being destroyed?

So I just came back to the fandom around a week ago or so, and when I got curious

If a universe is destroyed, can the watch stop stop someone from being destroyed, If yes, is it permanent? Must they wear the watch all the time?

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u/Kessler42W — 7 days ago
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¿IA o no IA?

(Para empezar dudo que esto cuente como noticia, solo lo marque asi porque siento que es lo más cercano a lo que queria llegar con esto)

Bueno e estado investigando sobre Spider-man brand new day y La isla olvidada:

  1. Por lo que yo misma vi en el trailer, lo que otros notaron y el hecho de que Disney practicamente adora a OpenAi (en serio deberiamos dejar de ver sus pelis si van a andar gastanto plata en eso) mi veredicto es que en un muy posible 99% se uso IA en el trailer (y posiblemente en la pelicula) lo que me enfada y no pienso ir a verla ni a ver ninguna pelicula o serie o lo que sea que estrene Disney y cualquier empresa de su propiedad hasta que dejen todo esto. P.d: incluso si solo fuera un mal cgi... pero que mierda hermano!? Tienen a su disposición una cantidad de plata increible y me salen con esa mierda mal hecha? Hasta el Eternauta hecha con menos plata se ve más realista. No que habian aprendido de su error despues de salir con efectos horribles en peliculas como Thor: amor y trueno? ¿Qué sigue, publicar el trailer sin efectos y con la pantalla verde visible? Incluso si usaran la IA para abaratar costos existen mejores formas de abaratar costos que incluyen trabajo humano, mantener la imagen tanto de la empresa como de sus dueños y ademas ayudar al mundo reutilizando: los efectos especiales y es que hermano en Aliens usando cosas como bolsas de basuras pudieron probar un prototipo de la Reina Alien, en la escena del plano exterior de la nave en Star Wars solo necesitaron una maqueta miniatura de esta y un fondo, James Cameron con solo 12 dolares y envases de comida pudo hacer paredes para escenas de La Galaxia del terror! Hasta el más novato en artes visuales y efectos especiales te puede hacer esto. P.d 2: Igual no voy a negar que despues de que mejoren el tema efectos y dejen la IA me gustaria que pase algo como un bajon en taquilla por traer historias mal escritas o genericas. Incluso si quieren traer pura secuales me parece bien pero minimo escribanla bien y no salgan a querer cambiar toda la visión del autor solo para poner mierda woke que nisiquiera es woke y hasta deja aun peor parado al movimiento (hermano en Hexed cambiaron al protagonista por una mujer wtf, casi ni tenemos peliculas de chico que tiene problemas con su mamá y me salen con esto) o planos para que sea mas vendible en tiktok.

  2. Para La isla olvidada no encontre casi nada, lo más cercano fue esta noticia https://www.20minutos.es/cinemania/noticias/parecen-hechas-con-ia-las-redes-estallan-contra-las-nuevas-peliculas-animacion-dreamworks-disney_6985130_0.html que ni siquiera explica o muestra de donde saco que la gente supuestamente se queja de que La isla olvidada esta hecha con IA por lo que deduzco que es puro amarillismo si hasta las negritas estan mal distribuidas. P.d: en mi investigación al parecer el jefe de Dreamworks esta en contra de la IA en las peliculas aunque no se si influya mucho (se que Dreamwork ahora es de Universal asi que no se como funciona todo el tema de la compra o si el jefe de Universal es el jefe de Dreamworks) aunque me genero mucho más escepticismo cuando recorde el trailer de Shrek 5 y todo el como se ve en el estilo visual y todo el tema de la nueva voz de Shrek. Tal vez la animación se deba a Illumination, e leido que tambien esta metido en la pelicula lo que podria tener logica ya que tambien pertenece a Universal y Shrek 5 tiene cierto parecido al estilo visual de Super mario aunque bueno es solo eso, un rumor, no encontre nada oficial al respecto.

Y ya que hablo de esto necesito despotricar sobre dos peliculas más:

  1. Con toda esta busqueda recorde que hace unos años habia encontrado una noticia sobre que Spider-man: across the spider-verse habia utilizado IA asi que investigando encontre esa y otras noticias. Al parecer si, uso IA para cosas como las lineas en las facciones de Miles pero de todos modos ya no puedo ver la pelicula con los mismos ojos. La abran usado para algo pequeño pero de todos modos sigo en contra, ese es trabajo de gente y no me importa esperar 20 años por la pelicula por mi lo hago y la verdad los demas tambien deberian porque ultimamente todos andan de impacientes lo que causa la creación de inventos innecesarios que solo buscan acelerar procesos sin importar el costo o la denigración del arte.

  2. Hace poco me entere que Kpop demon hunters esta siendo acusada de usar IA, algo sobre que uno de los que se encargo de componer la musica se ayudo de la IA y que dijo esto durante un evento de OpeAI o algo asi seguramente me equivoque en la explicación pero no quiero volver a ahondar en el tema por un buen tiempo asi que les dejo este reddit donde las respuestas resumen y explican bien al final que paso https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtistHate/comments/1nlexpc/kpop_demon_hunters_writer_says_he_used_ai_to/?tl=es-419 pero de todos modos aunque solo se haya usado para una lluvia de ideas me parece mal, de por si esta más que comprobado que la IA roba.

Y bueno eso es todo neceistaba desahogarme y tambien hacer visible todo esto y mis deducciones. Si van a comentar sean respetuosos conmigo y con los demas. Y, no se, estan invitados a investigar por su cuenta o lo que sea y de paso si alguien entiende bien como funciona lo de Universal y Dreamworks respecto a sus politicas y como se maneja todo el tema de Universal siendo dueño de Dreamworks me ayudaria.

u/DaySeparate704 — 6 days ago

Miguels TRUE Motivation.

I don't know about anyone else but Miguel seems a bit too motivated to stop Miles in the Movie. Do you guys think it's possible that he's trying to get rid of all multiverse anomalies to try and restore the universe he lost with his daughter in it?

I just feel like there's something we're not seeing to do with his motivation.

u/theoperkins — 11 days ago

“Isn’t That Right Peter”

When Miguel is explaining canon events to Miles, specifically the scene of the universe being destroyed, Miguel says “Isn’t that right Peter”, and Peter nods and says “Yeah” in a guilty voice. Is there a reason he singles out Peter or is there something I’m not getting?

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u/FlamingPhoenix254 — 10 days ago

Am I the only one the doesn’t like Miguel O’ Hara?

I personally don’t like him for how he treated Miles, and I haven’t like him since the movie came out which was when I was starting High School. He kept saying he wasn’t meant to be Spider-Man even tho it’s not his fault the spider got into his dimension, it was just fate. The radioactive spider goes where it wants from what it seems like to me.

That’s honestly how I feel about Miguel fr. Don’t like him.

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u/Anime_Boba — 11 days ago