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Now Im agnostic but I am looking for any other explanations for this

PREFACE

Under a theistic framework, people affirm that God designs everything with intention and preciseness So this by start rules out it is just a coincidence for other religions all together

FINE TUNING OF MECCA WITH THE 'DIVINE PROPORTION '

North and South poles are the fundamental geometric points of earth which is created by God and The location of mecca is related with a golden ratio proportion to the fundamental property of earth that is polar distances

3)Polar distances is how we map the earth the position that divides the fundamental geometric length of earth in golden ratio .34°N which is passing through the plains of Arafat the most important site of hajj and is about 8 km off from mecca

Now the 8km discrepancy most definitely can arise due to our own current measuring instruments you can check it out for yourself using the given tool

https://geodesyapps.ga.gov.au/vincenty-inverse

[ using this calculator you can calculate the ratio yourself for 21.34°N or to be precise 21° 21'' 30'' is the precise latitude for poles using 90°]

QURAN REFLECTS THE SAME PROPORTION

THE ONLY central mention of bakkah in the Qur'an occurs in 3:96 where the word itself is related in the same proportion

Such that the length of the total sentence in letters / length of sentence till bakkah in letters = phi

Which is 47/29 ( this occurs due to counting of shaddas so I'm not that sure about this one ) which btw both of them are lucas number and 47 is a kieth number which makes all the more interesting)

THEOLOGICAL INQUIRY

Now I fundamentally want to ask WHY WOULD THE CHRISTIAN GOD OR THE ANY OTHER GOD CREATE EARTH IN SUCH PROPORTION THAT MECCA OR THE MOST CENTRAL SITE OF A FASLE RELIGION IS AT THE GOLDEN RATIO PROPORTION which is the ratio he uses to design things in the universe precisely

Psalm 19:1 states, "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork

now why is it declaring the glory of a false religion? Why is his handywork at the central site of a false religion?

So the most explanatory power for this phenomenon is given to islam because it is consistent with its methods such as fine tuning and cosmological design

like how do you discern between that some sign or miracle claim is from one the one true god or a trick or lying wonder from satan

IN some sense how do you tell apart whether the holy spirit is guiding you or the one real god has sent you astray vice - versa

 If I ask people in my church for help how do I know that they are not deceived by the evil and lead me into a path of hell ?

If I listen to Muslims, how can I know that they are not deceived and lead me to hell? If I listen to my atheistic/agnostic family members and friends, they could also be deceived by the wrong mindset and lead me to hell.

I could inform myself about the different religions and see what makes the most sense to me, but I could make a mistake and end up in hell

Like how do I differentiate between even apophenia or am i the blind one to not see something as a miracle pattern thing ?

even if posit supernaturality how do i know for sure this isnt from satan ?

Like I'm agnostic partly due to the fact I think I can't discern the truth between the existing religious traditions and partly due to the fact I think I have never went once In my life pondered on 'there must be a creator or something'

Introduction to abrahamic religions in some sense fucked me over deeply because then I actually became aware of such things like hellfire and all which prompted me to just somewhat suspend my judgement on there being no supernatural

Even after that I did somewhat become firm in my position of agnosticism because I came to the conclusion that atleast christianity and islam are equally likely to be true in some sense and

so I went on with my life that thinking i would ever have answer to these things so it's better to say nothing on inconclusive matters

But then like I came across some obscure islamic miracle claims that I haven't found any Christian response to them so I tried to stress test the Christian framework myself

But since I don't have any like actually christian response to the things because the miracle claims themselves were obscure so I don't know whether I could trust myself in my exegesis

So TLDR : how do get over the fear of 'what if I'm wrong and this is genuinely a sign from God or something ',

caution : if you have ocd etc please i suggest you skip this one

hey guys im an agnostic person , who has been looking into both islam and christianity

I think its mostly a dead end in terms of theology and miracle stuff ,

but like the only thing that bothers me as an agnostic is the following -

1. christians affirm that god designed this world with intention and precision
2. god has fine tuned the world and he is the creator of order

question:- then why would the christian god make the islamic holy sites geometrically at a location that they divide the polar meridian a fundamental property of earth in a golden ratio or they tend to the value of golden ratio and in cases the latitude actually completely intersects and passes through the site

for ex : - the latitude that divides the polar meridian( the poles to pole distance which is an objective geometrical property of earth )precise decimal value of phi passes through the plain of arafat which is said to be most important location for muslims in their prayer in hajj.

like why would he use the ratio that he uses in the beauty or purpose of his creation to 'mark' out the location of repentance for a false religion

I have ocd and deep fear of hell especially now that im exposed to things like this so I naturally cling to the ideas of what would god say to me IF I reject this as a sign so how do you think a christian metaphysics would resolve such occurences.