Perrie's comments on Jesy on Great Company Podcast with Jamie Laning
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Transcription of Perrie's comments on Jesy. Taken from YouTube transcription.
Jamie: I think you know we had Jesy on and um she obviously went has been and is going through such a-
Perrie: Yeah.
Jamie: -tough time.
Perrie: Mhm.
Jamie: Um and she said that after her pregnancy how how you all reached out to her. Mhm. How is your relationship with each other now? I mean, when I think- How is your relationship with each other now?
Perrie: I mean, when I think everything we've been through as a group and even though it ended in ways that I wouldn't have wanted it to and we're not that close anymore and we're not in each other's lives, I still feel everything that the girls feel and I think they're the same. We'll always have that.
We'll always have that weird connection. And seeing Jesy go through that, it broke me because I you wouldn't wish that on anyone. It's literally wild. And as much as we've got our issues and you know I think I I don't want to see her go through that. I don't want to see her hurt and I don't want to see any of that. It's heartbreaking.
[Jamie shares a story about his own friendship break up]
Perrie: And when you're used to living in each other's pockets for so long and telling them everything and being like experiencing everything with this person when they're gone, it is just as hard as a breakup, I think. Especially when you don't get closure. That's the worst of it. That's the worst part. If you get closure after a breakup, it cushions the blow. But I think when that's it- it's done and you've got no say in it anymore. It's almost like, well, hang on a minute. You don't get that like you can't shift that out of your system, can you?
Jamie: You're like me. You need closure as well. I need closure. Yeah. I can't move on without closure.
Perrie: I I need to be told those things. I I And I find it so hard.
[Perrie and Jamie discuss arguments and Perrie shares how she struggles to hold her ground unless she's standing up in the defense of another. Jamie then reads Perrie's lyrics from Same Place, Different View and compliments them.]
Perrie: I think it's just like sometimes you just won't win with people. You just don't see eye to eye at all. You could talk, you could discuss something with somebody for hours and hours and hours and still at the end of that discussion be like, "Well, I still think this and you still think that." And that's what it kind of came to. And what annoys me the most, again, I have to be careful how I say this because I don't want to seem like a bitch but for me, what upsets me the most is when situations like this happen. When the other person doesn't take any accountability, that boils my blood. I'm not blaming everything on you. I'm not saying she's this fucking monster and and everything was her fault and blah blah blah. But take some accountability for your actions and realize you were difficult. You did have difficult moments. Granted, there was reasons for those moments, but you can only pick somebody up so many fucking times before you start losing track of your own sanity. And you want to be there for that person, but if they don't if they can't accept the help and they can't accept the love that you're trying to show, how do you win? How do you get past that? You can't.
Jamie: No, because what you're talking about, you're talking about fairness as well.
Perrie: It's like, hang on a second. I understand there's fault here, but you need to you need to accept that.
I hate that. I don't like put putting the blame on people. Don't put the blame on me and make me out to be something that I'm not. Yes, I'm not perfect and I might not have been there enough or I could have done better, I suppose, but I thought what I was doing was enough. I thought I'd tried everything. So then to then sit there in further interviews and discuss it publicly and be like I wasn't supported. You were though. Do you know what I'm saying? You you were.
So just again take some accountability. Do you think better?
Jamie: Do you think you're still angry?
Perrie: Uh I would say more frustrated than angry- because I don't like being painted into a person that I'm not cuz I'm an open book. I'll tell you exactly how it is and I'm very open. I'm very to the point and and-
Jamie: that's beautiful by the way cuz I can feel that from you.
Perrie I have to be. I'm an open book
Jamie: It it's so refreshing because you to sit with someone-
Perrie: and I'm so open.
Jamie: Yeah, I know you are. So I watch you a lot. I know.
Perrie: Yeah. But I just I-
Jamie: because it's so authentic and you are so authentic and that is really important in life.
Perrie: You you have to be
Jamie: Yeah.
Perrie: I think it's I think you have to be genuine. You have to be. It's just- but it it it exhausts me when I see other people that I know inside and out when they're not being genuine and it frustrates me.
Jamie: Do you think you will rekindle the friendship ever?
Perrie: Um, if I'm being completely transparent, part of me wanted to until the documentary and then part of me withdrew again. And and this is the thing. I'm not a horrible person. I haven't got a bad one in my body, but I can cut you off. like I can I can cut you out of my life like that. If you upset me and you hurt me in a way, there's not really any going back. I can forgive, but I don't want you in my space.
And this is what I'm learning in in therapy as well. Like I'm there's capability and there's capacity, right?
You're capable of anything. You can achieve anything if you really go for it and you work hard. But my capacity is fucking small.
I only have a certain amount of roof. Do you know what I mean? That I can cram in. I have my career. I have my relationship. I have my friends. I have things going on. There's personal things. There's public things. There's everything. I don't have the capacity for somebody like that in my life anymore. And that might make me sound like a bitch but I just don't have the energy for it. And as much as I will always love her, I dont think i can hack that energy in my space.
Jamie: No, I think it's it makes more sense than anything. I think I should take a leaf out of that book and I think more people listening should take a leap out of that book because actually there is not enough time. There's not enough time to try and fix everything and make everything okay. And if you can't, you just have to let it go. You have to step back. Yeah. You can't fix everything and you can't fix people
Perrie: That's for certain. They're set in their ways and clearly they don't think there's anything wrong with them. So you think, okay, you do you and I'll do me and that's that.