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That time (Canon) 14 yr old Kenobi fought a Yoda level opponent

That time (Canon) 14 yr old Kenobi fought a Yoda level opponent

In Wild Space on the Planet Leneahra there exists a fluid you can drink that gifts you the ability to use the force. This fluid turns out to be the lifeblood of the sentinet planet itself which is force sensitive. After sneaking away from the temple to impress Qui-Gon, Kenobi finds himself caught up in the plot of a buisnessman to harvest and take the planet andd the power it can give for himself. With the help of some locals who have been drinking small amounts of the fluid to survive the attacks of the planet (opening chasms like giant mouths sicing wildlife on them etc) Kenobi foils their plans. In a rage their leader consumes a massive amount of the fluid with the purpose of fighting and killing them.

Just drinking a large amount of the fluid raises his power to be on par with Yodas. To be clear, Yoda has taken part in exhibition matches and such in the Temple and you can readily sense peoples power even at rest regardless. So there's no reason to think Kenobi would be to far from the truth here. Regardless-

He then completely bathes in the fluid and gets massively amped above that

He is capable of throwing massive stones and lifting entire cave systems with TK

Despite this Kenobi is able to hold him off and defends fodder allies while doing so

Eventually Kenobi is able to defeat Loegrib. Not through power, but by exploiting his lack of focus

Thoughts? Does this raise your opinion of early canon Kenobi?

u/DragonPanther3 — 7 days ago

I wish to expand on this its something thats been carried over from Legends that many have missed.

The novel begins with the duo being very out of sync. Kenobi has been holding a grudge at Qui-Gon for holding back to just standard techniques. However this is not due to a lack of faith in Kenobis abilites.

In fact Kenobi is even faster than Jinn realized. Now despite this limitation and the strain it puts on the twos relationship Kenobi's performances speak for themselves during their upcoming skimishes

Jinn still sees Kenobi's potential shine through. And notably Kenobi outspeeds Jinn. Leading them to work together as never before. This prompts Jinn to finally reveal why he had been holding Kenobi back all this time.

Jinn's intent was for Kenobi to become "untouchable" and immune to the trapping and weaknesses of other Jedi. Once Kenobi realizes this and embraces the training rather than being restricted by it.... well.

Kenobi is now no longer a "shadow" of an apprentice. He's fighting as "brilliantly as any knight" and he has fully connected to the force. Fighting as an equal. Or perhaps....

Kenobi notes that while the master is meant to be the stronger of the two his recent progress has reversed the situation. Making him the more capable as of the moment. Which leads the council to promote him over Qui-Gon.

Now Qui-Gon does have his own arc concerning his ties to prophecy and Dooku. Which eventually lead to him having a revelation and deepening of his connection himself. However this doesn't make Jinn more powerful than Kenobi again

On the contrary it changed the dynamic of their relationship to one of partnership of equals than master and apprentice.

This is a dynamic that is played out in Legends as well. But as said above it has carried over into canon. Kenobi undoubtably scales to Qui-Gon before and up to TPM. And can fight "as brilliantly as any knight" Qui-Gon has seen.

Thanks for reading.

u/DragonPanther3 — 19 days ago

Some people have been struggling with Mauls canonically accurate performance over the past few weeks. With many citing his brief 3v1 against 5th, 7th & 8th in Rebels as contradictory evidence. What I am planning to do here is to contrast Mauls recent Inquisitor bout with the Rebels one. And show how they are not so far apart as you think.

Lets start with the simplest of questions. Maul is fighting three in Rebels and two here what gives.

To be more accurate Maul never fights more than two of the trio at once. 7th is immedietly kicked away

https://i.redd.it/w9sfozumvlyg1.gif

And he is then only faced with a 2v1 of Fifth and Eighth. What's also of note here is Eighth is a massive weak link here. As the only Inquisitor Kanan has ever properly defeated without outside amplificaton of some kind. While 7th has fought Ahsoka Tano for a protracted period extracting visible effort from her despite her going all out and Fifth fighting her for a full 2 minutes later in the same episode.

Back to the 2v1. Maul exclusively kicks Eighth around here

https://i.redd.it/jocc4h9awlyg1.gif

With him merely ducking a blow from Fifth. Now others have also pointed out how Fifth is tagged here afterwards.

https://i.redd.it/6v6cz5kgwlyg1.gif

However this in the grand scheme is not that impressive. Even a heavily injured and exhausted Cal Kestis was able to kick and blast around Fifth. Fifth is an endurance rather than skill based fighter. Its not that hard to tag him. The issue is finishing him. With his stamina being described as endless. This is broken down by another user here

Notably Maul can't finish Fifth here before Eighth comes back around. Put a pin in this for later.

From here Seventh and Eighth begin to tag team Maul (note Fifth stays back). He is losing ground here. With each Inq taking his focus for a few moments and Maul unable to gain any ground

https://i.redd.it/lw9ksah5xlyg1.gif

From here Seventh catches Maul in a bladelock and Kanan has to save him from a flank from Fifth and Ahsoka from Eighth. With it ending with Seventh shoving Maul back

https://i.redd.it/w51eol7gxlyg1.gif

Overall the fight is barely 20 seconds. And while Maul has initial success via an overhead and by picking on the weakest of the group once they recover he is very quickly being force back.

In Shadow Lord we see Maul able to have similar initial success due to outright offense at first

https://i.redd.it/z1t9ci01ylyg1.gif

He is able to push both of the back via physicals and force. However, much like the Inqs in Rebels they rally and begin to tag out. And much like before, Maul starts losing ground'

https://i.redd.it/f5o8hf08ylyg1.gif

Notice how much like with Fifth before Mauls kick bounces off Marrok and even when he can use his hilt to push back 11th he can't capitalize before Marrok tags in and 11th counters. Much like how Seventh ties him in a bladelock and Fifth is about to flank

This is why Maul retreats and resorts to stealth tactics. However these fail and he is again forced back

https://i.redd.it/v5v2ipmmylyg1.gif

Finally of note for this is that Maul is able to gain some relief against 11th eventually by forcing him away. But then Marrok appears.

https://i.redd.it/t9d8cfctylyg1.gif

At this point the cummulative effort of the duel starts to weigh down on Maul and Marrok is able to overwhelm him.

https://i.redd.it/ctp5w31zylyg1.gif

Notice up to this point, no leg sparks or any hint of issues with the leg during these exchanges.

https://i.redd.it/4rqt66r3zlyg1.gif

Eventually Maul cannot keep up with the two and is disabled when he leaves an opening.

The key takeaway here is that what we witnessed in Rebels was Mauls trademark explosive beginings to fight. Not one taken to a conclusion. Very quickly in the Rebels bout we see the table begin to turn on Maul. With Seventh and Eighth begining to force him back and Seventh being able to hold him down on her own.

The two fights are not inconsistent one is simply incomplete. I hope this has cleared things up for everyone. Also hopefully this format works haha. If it appears as a mess just give me 5

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u/DragonPanther3 — 20 days ago