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UPDATE: Taking over a completely neglected allotment. First steps?

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We've had the keys for just about 10 days, and have done three visits to the allotment so far- maybe 12 hrs of two people working? This includes four tip runs- We've finally cleared the huge wood pile and some other rubbish along the way! Three full carloads of just rotten wood.

We're getting close to having 1/3 of the plot be walkable. So far we have only used hand tools, as we've been ill recently/ very tired from work and couldn't be bothered to deal with noise from petrol tools. Plus there's a lot of berry bushes hidden in the weeds that we want to preserve. Will need them for the back half of the plot though!

The inside of the greenhouse is now accessible, and boy it needs a lot of clearing, and eventually the whole structure coming down. Found an old pot belly stove inside, and the man who tenanted previously has somehow dragged in huge metal machinery pipes to use as table supports. Also plenty of asbestos panels around the base of the greenhouse and one entire side of the plot. And just like somebody warned me in the original post, so, so many glass panels tucked away all around the plot.

Other notes include finding a bumble bee nest in the ground by the front, which we are trying to not disturb until they move on in autumn. I have now reached the apple tree and cut it back a little. Found two dozen blue bartels so far. After a whole day of using one of them to douse the incinerator fire, and commenting how bad the water smelled, a bloated rat floated up. The rest of the barrels have been fine.

We are absolutely inundated with gooseberries (at least 7 plants so far, all shielded by netting, wood and weeds) and have been using them to trade with neighbours. Got given more rhubarb than I know what to do with, raspberries, a shopping bag full of basil and offers of apples and tomato plants. Found some onions (under the apple tree in photos), but no idea what they are.

Potted up some free seed potatoes while we clear the ground of roots. Threw the rest of them into the bottom layer of our "compost" pile where we are piling up all the sawdust, low quality bagged compost and weeds, maybe something will grow!

I think next week I will try to plant some free onion sets we've been given, restore the old bean bed and put in some runner beans and peas we've been growing at home. Also got two courgettes, three pumpkins and some sweetcorn hanging about in pots at home that need to be planted out asap.

If somebody can tell me what to do with about a hundred pipe offcuts (the kind you'd use to shield leeks, only I don't have any), it would be much appreciated.

Oh!!! The old tenant wanted us to know that somewhere in the back, he had breezeblocks and the skeleton for a polytunnel. Yesterday I have glimpsed them for the very first time from our neighbour's plot, hidden in the human height comfrey at the back.

u/DuckMagic — 1 day ago

Recommend me some apple tree varieties

Hi! I'm planning to eventually put in several apple trees onto my new plot. However, I have no knowledge of apple varieties beyond what you can get in a supermarket (bramley, braeburn, jazz, gala, golden delicious, granny smith, pink lady). Gala and granny smith in particular do nothing for me. I like the idea of planting heritage varieties rather than the ones commonly found in supermarkets! Part of my desire for an allotment was to grow things that I can't easily buy.

My allotment site has no specific restrictions of tree heights (in fact my plot already has an old apple tree that is likely to be 100+ years old from when the whole site was an orchard). I am in Yorkshire.

As a kid I grew up in Eastern Europe eating typical Soviet varieties like antonovka and beliy naliv, which have a pretty different flavour and mouth feel- if anyone can recommend me something that might scratch that itch, that would be great too! Can't really get those shipped from mainland EU nurseries any more.

I like the idea of having some late harvest/ storage apples too.

Bonus if self-fertile!

My all time favourite supermarket apple is a braeburn. I also value a good cooking apple as we do a lot of jams, crumbles, pies etc.

If anyone can point me to a good resource on understanding root stock, that would be really appreciated too.

Thanks in advance for any help, and sorry for all the demands!

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u/DuckMagic — 5 days ago

Taking over a completely neglected allotment. First steps?

Went to put ourselves on a waiting list at a local community-run (rather than council) site. Got told- you're in luck! Our waiting list is only a year long at the minute. Or you could have a plot right now, if you're willing to take the most mismanaged plot on site. No rent for the first year, and we wouldn't expect you to be in shape to follow the usual cultivation rules for a year and a half-ish.

Pictures are taken from our neighbour's plot (ours starts over the fence). 10 x 25m.

After a bit of deliberation, we're taking it! A bit terrified, but helps that the expectations are very low and there is a lot of time, plus community shared rotavator, brush cutter etc. Trying to convince myself I'm totally fine with not growing anything this year (we've got quite a bit going in our little garden at home).

The story goes is that a husband and wife had two adjacent plots for the last 30 years. The wife had sadly passed away some time ago, and the husband continued to take care of the plots on his own. Due to his longstanding relationship with the allotment association, usual rules were relaxed and it was allowed to slowly decline so that he could still continue doing what he could. Unfortunately he has now reached a point where he can no longer keep up.

We've been told that a lot of love and care has gone into the plots in the passing decades and yielded award winning produce. I want to believe it, because the land is obviously very fertile- the brambles are taller than I am! Saw a stem about as thick as my arm.

There's an old greenhouse structure that has half caved-in from which I'm hoping to salvage some panels for future cold frames, and a huuuuge old apple tree that has split in half, with half of it dead and the other already covered in apples- we've been told there might be some help available with taking that down. Apparently there's several dozen blue barrels in the brambles somewhere. A lot of the brambles are actually raspberries (already had a few to snack on), I think I've spotted some other berry bushes and an elder tree as well. There's meant to be two beehives somewhere between the two plots (they're due to be removed due to an overpopulation of hives on the site), the neighbours have found one so far.

Current plan is to get down there this Sunday after the heatwave passes to cut down the weeds by the entrance to gain some access and sorting space, bring an incinerator and start sawing down and burning unsalvageable wood from the pile. We haven't got any fire restrictions as long as the neighbours are ok with it.

u/DuckMagic — 14 days ago

False Alarm

It's 11 am and I'm sat at my desk at home doing work, I've got a deadline this morning. I'm running on 4 hrs sleep and several cups of coffee. Suddenly there's a quiet soft knock at the door, it's a pretty distinct pattern, where do I know it from?

I stomp downstairs- we're constantly getting deliveries, the neighbours' kids like to come over to pet the dog even though they know I'm working, the landlord might have finally sent a repairman, plus cold calls aren't unusual. I walk past the frosted door to get the key and my heart skips. That's how my mother knocks.

There's a fat shortish figure to the front, wearing a navy jumper. That's my father. Some steps behind him is a second figure, wearing the distinct lilac fleece she's had for at least the last decade, stood with her arms crossed. That's my mother.

I've been stalking my mother's facebook to keep tabs and I know that this week they've been visiting the National Park on the edge of my city. I was preparing myself that this might happen. It's been two years since I went no contact and they've never tried turning up at my house before. But my father has tried to ambush me in other places.

I stand like an idiot between the door and the window, trapped just out of sight, not knowing what to do, scared to say anything. But they know I'm there because they've seen me walk past. They know it's my house because they can hear my dog barking, and if they look through the window they will see my cat.

The knocking continues. I decide to silently walk back upstairs, tell my husband that my parents have turned up, sit back on my office chair as the tunnel vision comes in, my hearing goes muffled with my heartbeat and my eyesight is going blurry. There's another knock. I tell my manager and my teammate that I might need to dip out as I'm going into a PTSD episode because my estranged parents have turned up. My husband tries to subtly peek out of the upstairs window to get a view of them. He's only met them three or so times, several years ago. He can't see them clearly. He tells me the woman is wearing a lilac scarf.

They've posted something through the letterbox and appear to have walked away. My husband tries to take a picture of it without going downstairs, but it looks too abstract. I say it's probably a birthday card (my birthday was last week). I go to take a look.

It's a bloody Jehovah's Witness brochure. It wasn't my parents at all. I've been trolled by cold calling preachers. Why the hell do they keep knocking for so long? I'm simultaneously massively relieved that it was a false alarm, but also embarrassed to have spooked my manager and teammate. Thankfully my husband is very understanding and gets me a cup of tea. And just like that, I'm back in my own body and mostly fine. Gotta love living with CPTSD.

Just had another knock for a delivery and it made me jump!

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u/DuckMagic — 19 days ago

Song from an old vh1 ident/ show ad

This would have been around 2010-2014. I could only watch VH1 while on holiday in Latvia as a teen. I've tried looking up VH1 Europe idents on youtube but can't find anything close.

This would have been a very short clip that's part of a montage being repeated every hour or so on the channel.

All I remember it was a very good snippet of rock (could be anything 1980-2010), dapper/ maybe Victorian-styled man tipping a hat (possibly a top hat?), red tinted visuals. The man tipping his hat is the thing that is stuck in my brain, I can't remember the song at all, just that it was very good.

I've been wondering lately if it might have been something by Tom Petty, but I've not found any music videos that feel right, and I seem to remember it was heavier rock than him.

Long shot in the dark but thank you!

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u/DuckMagic — 2 months ago

2 years complete NC with my parents.

I have them blocked everywhere, but every so often I will search their names and see if Google throws up anything interesting (this is how I found out they've sold my childhood home). I just can't help myself, I guess in a way I still want to know how they're doing.

I guess I hit on a good set of keywords today- not only was I rewarded with a bunch of insane anti-vax facebook comments from the height of the pandemic that reminded me of the moment I started seeing my parents in a new light, but I also got a search result for a comment my mum left on an instagram reel for some psychologist's video on parental estrangement.

Unfortunately I can't see the full comment as I have her blocked, but the search result caption says (I'm translating): "there's too many psychologists showing up who insist that parents are bad, didn't love their kids enough, didn't raise them properly..." . That's all I have, but it's enough to confirm to me that even two years on, she's fully convinced that someone has brainwashed me against her. She can't possibly have been a shit mother.

This is a lady who screamed at and beat me when I was 6 for daring to ask how to spell a word. Told me to not show bruises at school or I'd get taken away. Beat me again because I brought a friend home with me after school (didn't tell this friend she can't stay- no- let me have her over for an hour, then beat me when she went home). She abandoned her 8 & 13 year old kids for two years on the other side of the continent to carry on living alone without adults - we didn't even have relatives living with us during the week. She thought it was a genius plan to entrust a bank card to a 14 year old boy to buy groceries and was enraged when of course he spent the money on something else and I was left without food for weeks, relying on a neighbour's generosity to feed me.

She called me a little bitch and my brother an undercooked bastard to our faces if we disagreed with her. Wasn't opposed to dragging me around by my hair. Thought it was completely fine to leave her 10 year old home alone 9pm - 6 am 5 days a week after my brother ran away from home. Home alone, almost every single night for the next 9 years. Didn't attend a single parent-teacher meeting or award ceremony, never as much as looked at my school work despite being a former teacher. Shamed my having heavier periods than her, growing armpit hair, having a bigger chest, me not wearing make-up, me wearing make-up, having acne. Told teenage me to not bother having friends and made it a personal mission to poison my relationships with every single other member of my family by telling me distressing things about them from when I was 4. Had vile nicknames for everyone because using people's actual names was beneath her. Not even for her own husband or son.

Made it my task to book her doctor's appointments, call the police, fire brigade, the council, insurance companies, handymen because she couldn't be bothered to learn English. Yet didn't care a hoot when I had serious health issues as a teenager, or when I had a cancer scare in my mid twenties. Laughed when I told her that I had anxiety and depression, insisted that doctors are charlatans and my pills will make me kill myself. But would scream at me if I refused to write a sick note for her work, way into my 20ies. Demanded to be taken to the doctors for every ailment she had.

I'm a little sad I can't see her comment, as the rest of the comments on that post are very much pro estranged kids, pointing out that parents who rage about their kids estranging are generally missing the aspect of control, rather than genuinely mourning the relationship loss. That ultimately you reap what you sow.

I know it's ultimately self harm to keep googling the parents, but in a way it does help keep me on the path of no contact. Just two days ago I was sat pondering in the kitchen if I'm being too harsh and if I should ease up. Lol.

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u/DuckMagic — 2 months ago