u/ElectronicOlive4514

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Phoenix needs a full revamp with more stuns, move variants, etc. all balancing is by default done to v2, unless explicitly mentioned.

Bomb

1. Z has old range restored
2. C has old landmines AoE/size restored (and mines stay indefintely)
3. [V] has much more AoE.

all moves also deal 100% more dmg.

Ice

Ice surge in the air acts like yeti's [Z] (air variant), while [V] acts like spirit [C] (burst of cool air, freezes).

Sand

1. End-lag on [X] removed
2. end-lag on both un-awakened and awakened [C] removed
3. [V] explodes if it can hit opponents

There is no point in [X] having end-lag, as all it does it make air fights impossible, and opponents alr have i-frames anyways, so you cannot move stack.

Dark

1. [Z] has triple range, breaks instinct.
2. [X] un-nerfed
3. [C] AoE made 10% bigger
4. end-lag on [V] reduced to 1 second
5. [F] has double range

All moves dmg is scaled up by 30%

Eagle

jump boost and defense buff (10%) from falcon restored.

1. [X] is a held attack (Edit: not entirely neccessary)
2. [C] is a true stun
3. [V] acts like old falcon [V] (dash through, apply slashes)

Feather Meter is not lost upon taking dmg

Diamond

Stun on [C] restored

Light

[F] is made 2x faster, and always scaled to be the fastest mobility in game.

small dmg increase on all moves

Rubber

El Diablo is ignored, [C] and [F] break instinct. bug with cdk [X] fixed

Quake

1. [Z] has no end-lag, 15% more reach
2. [X] has 0 end-lag or startup, old speed and hitbox restored
3. [C] has 50% bigger AoE (to match the windup)
4. Tsunami waves on [V] are faster, old height restored (roughly 50% taller than current)

All moves deal 15% more dmg.

Buddha

M1s will never stun while transformed. Awakened moves can be used with un-awakened transformation

Love

Besto Friendo now uses Aura.

Creation

Admin Panel is released (with the car). upgrades are:

1. [X] has a bigger hitbox
2. [C] has 10% bigger AoE with more stun time
3. build limit in pubs made higher, and in ps.

Spider

1. [Z] is now a tap attack
2. Awk [C] is a tap attack with auto-aim
3. [V] can be slowly steered
4. [F] does not scale with hp

Portal

1. [Z] no longer breaks ken.
2. [X] does not break ken, also does not stun.

Lightning

v1 [Z] removed. [Z] acts like a normal move, no charge usage, regular cd.

1. v2 [Z] is default, v3 is formed in 1 second of holding.
2. [C] has visuals equal to its hitbox.
3. [V] no longer has knockback, holding only increases AoE, not dmg.
4. [F] carries mobility

All moves dmg reverted (roughly 1k less on each attack). Severe particle reduction

Pain

Combat Tag is indefinite while revived.

Full moveset unblocked during revival (v4 still locked).

CD reduction on Pain moves in revival removed.

Mammoth

untransformed moveset fully re-made. 'Mammoth Shadows' will no longer be used, the user will properly attack now, with heavy, brutal physical hits.

1. M1 is the exact same as old Leopard m1s (4 physical hits, then a small screech)
2. [Z] is still an air cutter, but has much bigger AoE (cone hitbox, rather than fan), and the user fires it off of their arms
3. [X] is functionally the same, startup and endlag removed, hitbox greatly increased. user now rush-grabs opponent, headbutts, and throws them up
4. [C] same buffs as [X], user downslams opponents instead
5. [F] speed is extremely quick, user won't stop until they hit a surface. charged variant is reached in only .5 seconds

all moves untransformed deal more dmg, z and c break ken. transformation ignores water dmg.

these buffs make mammoth unique, stand out, and a lot more fun to play. you can actually tell you have a mammoth's force and strength, instead of using a flimsy shadow to launch attacks.

no need to exclusively click [V] anymore.

Dough

auto-aim on [X] restored

Shadow

[Z] breaks ken, [C] has more range, no end-lag, [F] is infinite

Gas

Jump speed nerfed, speed with mink is now scaled down (like with venom and buddha)

Tiger

holding down [V] while fire meter is full, un-transforms the user.

Werewolf (mutation)

holding down [V] while fire meter is full, un-transforms the user.

Fiend (mutation)

1. [Z] has bigger AoE
2. [X] tap removed. 'held' is now default tap
3. [F] is un-nerfed (Yeti's stays nerfed)

Kitsune

[X] is no longer a true stun

Transformation speed scales with HP.

Empyrean (mutation)

1. The longer [Z] damages players, the lesser dmg they take. caps out at 5k. (Does not apply to NPCs or Bosses). Held cd increased to 10 seconds.
2. [X] is no longer a true stun

Transformation speed scales with HP.

Control

without room:

1. [X] is no longer true stun
2. [C] initial (vertical) slice cannot break instinct, the returning (horizontal) dagger can however.
3. [F] does not break ken

with room (Blade):

1. M1 will be entirely ignored when ken is on (cannot drain dodges, or interrupt moves)
2. [X] dmg reduced, stun time reduced
3. [C] dmg severely reduced
4. [V] dmg bug fixed.

(Fist)

1. M1 scale dmg, caps out.
2. [X] now pins opponents on floor (won't knock them up)
3. [C] pillars now scale dmg, caps out (5k)

Dragon

untransformed/hybrid:

1. [Z] has more range when tapped
2. [X] is a true stun
3. [C] bullets act like projectiles, more tightly packed
4. [F] scales with hp

transformed east

1. Fire Breath dmg severely reduced
2. [Z] un-nerfed
3. [C] has stun (also does not fling people)
4. Dmg reduction is un-nerfed to 70%

transformed west

1. [Z] un-nerfed
2. [F] bug fixed. now if there is no surface below when move is cast (above water), the move will be performed midair, nobody will land.
3. dmg reduction reduced to 45%
4. transformation speed scales with HP

east is more based on defense, having an extremely large hitbox, slower moves, lower dmg, more ken-trickable (yes, you can ken [X] and [F]), but a much more relaxing playstyle.

west is more dmg based, having smaller hitbox, instant moves and near 0 ken-trickable moves, better combo potential, but is also much more frail, and has a punishing playstyle.

mine’s poison, psychic is super close tho

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fuck balancing, these actual idiots for owners can't even unnerf stuff they already nerfed.

both of these fruits had their spotlights snatched literally one update after they got the awakening.

it's gotten to a level, where unnerfing them wouldnt even make them good. it would make them USEABLE.

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i just either 1v1 specifcically, play with my close friends, or don't play at all.

yeah i've fallen off (i used to beat teamers), but holy this playerbase is brainrot.

i was just having fun using flame (updating moves), when i got jumped by two teamers. ran the first time (one was lightning other was empy), then decided to 1v1

as you can see, lightning turned into dragon, and then tried killing me. thank god i was angel, i flew away

i really take the anti teamer system in other games for granted ngl. being slimed so easily by just 2 players, rlly sucks

and it's a 30m teaming too. what the fuck are you going to get by killing me, lmao

i cannot believe people have the AUDCACITY to ask for dragon buffs, without asking for a patch on west f. 4k hp lost, and that's after i quickly jumped out the water

welp, this say would come.

CONTROLS HAS COME INTO PUBS. prb due to some content creators or leak or smthn, but they’re everywhere

I have server hopped, 30 times (didnt even fight, I actually was just checking servers out for fun)

not one person pvping, was not control.

there’s obviously still portals and kitsunes, but much, much lesser. like I think I counted 12, while nearly everyone else was control

I know I could’ve just gotten lucky, but seeing the same fruit for 30 consecutive servers has pretty much not been a thing, since post nerf yeti or post nerf dough v2

oh man you better get control too. This fruit is only countered by itself. it’s the most broken thing ingame

I can’t access suggestions channel, as i logged out of dc

had some ideas, general ones that’d help the game. just for fun

1. mastery

mastery requirement removed entirely. everything unlocked on whatever you get. now this obviously firstly makes anything you get super easy to use, as you’ll always have access to attacks. HOWEVER.

This in reality is a clever way to incentivize MORE grinding. For reference, a 600 mastery weapon, gives 420 more dmg. if you had 2400 stats in dmg, snd did a combo on a 2800 defense target, they’d easily have over 30% hp left. Having 1 mastery on stuff only is still pretty bad

this means by default you’d grind to 300 (like most mythic fruits rn) anyways. And, since there’s no minimum requirement, ppl will actually just push to 600 a lot more, purely to ‘max’ it.

2. energy

first off, energy is now tied to HP, not melee. secondly, ALL attacks ingame use set percent of energy, not a number. Sg m1s dont use 10 energy anymore, they use 1%

this makes fights a LOT slower, a lot more tactical, snd nearly 100% more difficult and thought out. Mink just like it used to, becomes a top tier race for reserving energy on mobility, while cyborg becomes meta for energy retention.

spam meta dies and is niche now. Nobody will spam, unless you want to run out of energy and die regardless.

energy costs are not generalized. Charged empyrean z will take 12%, while Phoenix z will only take 2%. All moves are personally ranked based on power levels

4. exp gains

a major shitty game dev choice about this game, is that the first 16 hours is just bandit beating. make it easier, and harder.

quests are only for 4 npcs, and drop 3x more exp, but npcs now use instinct, use skills nearly all the time, and bosses use air jumps plus soru. all bosses, raid bosses and npcs also get updated moveset (besides kilo admiral)

5. sea events

just keep adding sea events. It’s a super easy way to add endgame content, just slap more and more monsters, swords, fs and even obtainments in here

guardian should scare off piranhas, sharks, and terror sharks

lantern should passively have kitsune mask effect (stacks)

6. secret unlocks.

now this again incentivizes the mastery system, but basically, after getting 600 on any fruit reworked after upd 23, players gain a secret admin panel quest line, to access the old, un-reworked version of the fruit. it should cost smthn like 1M, and 20k frags.

one time purchase, once purchased once, acts like a mutation. Can be purchased more times, but when done so, it actually gives the physical version of said old fruit (same old model, also acts like a special item in trades)

7. skin.

barista cousin has a 10% chance to also just drop any chromatic fruit skin recipe when interacted with, alongside the regular haki skins (giving hakaishin players a reason to use him again)

8. mutations

all and any mutation has a 10% chance to come on stock WITH the original fruit. it will act like the dragon selector thing

9. blox fruits gacha.

spin wheel eradicated. fruits can be rolled every 1 hour. dragon and control unlocked, and no fruit will ever be locked again anyways.

pity system added. 5 pity for uncommons, 10 for rares, 30 for legendaries, 40 for mythical

event gachas cannot ever roll anything below rare, but in-turn also dont have a pity system.

fruits can be directly re-sold to the gacha guy (resets cd for 2 hours when done so), but at only 60% of the piece (so if you give quake, you’ll only get back 600k money)

10. annual patch updates

goes without saying, each update should come with patch/rebalances. The game is a long way from ‘totally balanced’, and it never hurts to make a move or two not break ken, make others do more dmg, nerf defenses, etc.

11. blox fruits stock

weekends should double odds for legendary and mythical stocks. no fruit can be un-stockable.

I tried dragon, my friend and I swapped accs for fun (love him fr)

this kinda completes one of my final things left to do in this game, being using dragon.

what, on green earth, do people complain about with dragon. First things first, I use a NERFED dragon.

I use East. I just like it more (who doesn’t love frostbite)

race is mink, sword is fox lamp, fighting style is gh, gun is soul guitar.

I, literally, went 12-3 with my friend. And he’s a double maxed 30m, while I’ve progressively stopped playing a lot, so I’m actually worse. He also obviously plays with me, giving him a MAJOR edge over me as he knows my play style (passive), so I have to really focus or I get slimed

he used 3 builds.

sanguine yama kitsune soul guitar

control gh yama soul guitar

portal sanguine ttk soul guitar

I lost twice since I missed lamp z and got fried by the ttk combo, another time I got cocky and fucked up the soru on control c, but these obv still count

ts fruit has it set. especially with mink. I contentedly ran hybrid, which with mini not only moves absurdly fast, combined with black headband, the stars received Inturn give me effective 40% dmg reduction.

the only ‘bad’ thing, is that c can’t land midair. And honestly, so what. the entire kit is great.

x chains into gh c now, f chains in literally any ability, and breaks ken. Z is super easy, almost un-missable poke dmg (unless your aim is ass), and c works even midair, albeit, with prediction.

the best part, is the transformation. I can literally just transform, use up the full m1, use east x, untransform right as the downslam occurs, and combo extend.

this has like double the potential to be brain dead with west, as you can just place down c like a blizzard v, and then combo inside the meteor shower.

the combination of defense, speed, great combo potential, and quick, near instant win transformation is so good, he hardly gets to do 15% hp before I heal him off, or punish.

granted, it does require decent aim. X also can’t break ken on dash, so tends to miss a lot, but cyborg v3 exists. again, west is DOUBLE in terms of strength, yet I use east.

the only actual con, his how utterly unobtainable this fruit is. mind you all this strength isn’t a ‘bad’ thing. It’s a 15m value fruit, deserves to stomp others.

but pretending like it’s bad, then asking for buffs, THEN even asking for it to still be unobtainable ? Kinda dumb, no ?

even in its current (what I’d personally say) crazy state, it SHOULD be put on stock.

the rework literally did not happen for people like me who don’t own the perm, or didn’t have a physical before it dropped. there is limits to just how unfair it is. I even get to try it because my friend lets me, how many others get to ?

https://reddit.com/link/1t71l04/video/b34n9tdpgvzg1/player

there's only 2 possible things that happened.

1. i am somehow exceptionally good at sea events
2. every other player is ass

because there's just no way ppl complain about how 'difficult' pirahnas and terrors are. they are the ONLY remotely fun enemies to fight, even then with certain builds (like mine) they're bs weak. but nah.

you can KEN DODGE the electric blasts from pirahnas. and im also not wearing levi shield.

cmon gng.

so, the fastest way to dragon, is around 9 kitsunes.

you can't actually trade 9 kitsunes tho, so you'll need to pick up 2 skins.

3 kitsunes for super spirit pain, 3 kitsunes for red lightning.

super spirit pain, red lightning, 2 kitsunes, JUST to match east dragon. oh yeah and if you don't do this trade in just these 2 months, the amount of physicals dragons will halve AGAIN, sky-rocketing the rarity once more.

i also rolled a quake which i like, and turns out there's a combination ??

are any of these 3 good ?

i'm... done. i know this is one of the many posts, but there's a personal reason as to why

i've done it all. i've used all fighting styles, from death step up to sanguine arts

i've explored all swords. i've mained every gun

tried every race, played every fruit (even made some permanent favorites)

but... i'm also out of stuff to do. i only ever played for the pvp, i am NOT touching PvE, it's ass. sea events have never been updated, i also upgraded every weapon and got 159 titles

all that's left (realistically), is death king, fleet admiral, and pirate king

but i'm not doing them. i'm not playing just for 3 text lines above my head, ill prb return when this game has a new fruit every once in a while, but i truly do hope it's changed for the better in that time. i'm aware of the pile of cons it has, which is why it'll be kinda sad if even 3 years from now it's no different

it's also been super fun trying all the fruits and even being able to put them on the wiki. chances are half the pages you visit, im there. hell, it's also one of the reasons i played (updating the wiki is genuinely fun lol) but i gotta say, i'm out of stuff to do ! i finished the game !

i'm not touching trading. it's hustle maxing.

oh yeah and pls don't go to sailor piece if you're thinking on leaving too. it's like climbing out of a dirty tub, and diving directly into a dump.

fist of darkness... is actually shanks arm

sea king ate it, and rarely has a chance to barf it out when defeated. that's why his arm is placed on the pedestal in the middle of the ocean, teach feels the aura and summons himself

also when you put his fist inside of the machine, law gets anxiety and has a chance to drop a chip now (for cyborg)

1. Ghoul

• all life leech passives turned off on NPCs while combat tag is active
• sanguine arts z does not stack in v2 or v4
• cd reduction removed in v4
• Blindness removed

1. Draco

• orbs now wear off. 5 seconds for v1, 10 seconds for v2.
• external meshes removed, and the rotating embers and draconic crosshair can be toggled off via settings (uniquely for draco)

1. Mink

• v2 thundercloak now also gives a passive, where the user's attacks are 5% faster. so if gravity [V] takes 4 seconds to reach, now it will take around 3. (frankly it's just to give something unique, and fun to an otherwise unused race.)

1. Shark

• after upgrading to v2, jumps now reset each time players hits the water's surface. player also gets 10% defense against blox fruits attacks.
• v3 completely un-nerfed

1. Human

• v4 flashsteps override all unique fruit ones.

1. Angel

• air jumps no longer cost energy
• v2 enables mid air flashsteps passively.
• v4 flight now scales with hp, unless the player has tier 2 king of skies.

The harshest nerfs are obviously to ghoul here, and i'll be frank. as long as that cd passive exists, nothing in this game will be balanced. It has the most unique v4 passives (coming out as 6 different ones), and is simply peak absurdity, for the EASIEST special race to get, which is also free to swap back to.

it blatantly promotes mashing keys and does not punish you for it, even smarter players will abuse tf out of it to keep making overpowered attacks land over and over. On top of that it even negates health regen, AND blinds (for no reason). and then i haven't even talked about the crows, that were always broken Eats up ken, and interrupts combos. the v3 is unique, and i get it. the v4 overdid it, by a LOT

most good players honestly won't even notice these nerfs, v3 is untouched, and v4 is just as strong, just used more for the lifeleech than spam.

So if nobody knows (i do) how the moves work:

M1 is sanguine M1, same thing no cd or dash between 1st and 4th m1, but also has WAY more reach. Player whips chains, instead of blood. Essentially best m1s ingame for any fs.

z is just a sanguine z clone. 2 angels force energy into you, before the player slaps you away. Same knockback same everything, but it has a finisher variant, where it destroys your afterimage (aka soul). Better talon z

x is a stun. A giant pillar of energy chains slam onto the opponent. same stun time as talon x, but has a delay before it lands. so, worse talon x ig ?

c is a ‘time stop’. In reality, it is an AWFULLY optimized cutscene that takes players more further from the map than portal [V], creates a fake moon, snd a bunch of vfx, only to get imapled, and return to the normal map. It’s a cutscene, not a stun, and players disappear until the move ends

incase you guys don’t know how I know, I experimented a lot with the rip commander.

now, rhe reason why this fs despite being leaked for 2 years is still unreleased, is because [C] ran into major engine bugs. most players crashed when rip commander used [C], to the extent where they disabled him from using it.

what my problem is, is why go through all this bs hassle, instead of just making it a stun move ? ‘Stop Time’ can also just… be a cool looking stun ? did we have to make a buggy ass cutscene ?

that’s why it’s not out yet. best part ? You can kentrick [C]. Right before the sword impales you.

currently 2 fruits ingame require the ‘eat duplicate physical’ requirement, and one of them is way better.

I can say with all confidence, the final upgrade on control is ABSOLUTELY worth it, and actually makes sense being as pricey as it is.

the sheer amount of times it has come in clutch for teamers and runners, or even just a sick finisher, cannot be explained enough. Plus it also just looks gorgeous, and explodes weaker devices

it is so damn easy to trigger, just don’t even aim hold n fire, free 5.8k omni directional dmg. Ever since the rework tap variant has also been nerfed, where if used consecutively witj other control moves it’ll do way lesser dmg, only doing more on the final slash (good nerf)

fist mode C hitbox also got gutted, so that’s less of an issue

do NOT get lightnings’s however. It is just a 17x shitter version of tapped [V], minus the AoE and stun, and minus the startup. basically minus everything. It is a horrendously terrible upgrade, complete wastage.