The Way Readers View And Use [Shadow Bond] And [Shadow Dance] In Discussions genuinely Frustrates Me

The Way Readers View And Use [Shadow Bond] And [Shadow Dance] In Discussions genuinely Frustrates Me

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Credits: [Found the Pic on Pinterest. Would appreciate it if someone Names The Artist of this Art, as I don't know]

[Shadow Bond] And [Shadow Dance] are arguably Sunny's strongest abilities. But the way these two abilities are presented by other readers irritates me. Especially when it's stated in a way that unofficially upscales Sunny with no factual evidence.

[Shadow Bond]

Almost everyone views the Shadow Bond as a net positive to Sunny mainly because Nephis wouldn't abuse it. But in my opinion, it's terrible for Sunny, he just ignores it and only focuses on the advantages mainly because his current master is good natured.

Under Neutral terms and status wise, Sunny is below his Master, who happens to be Nephis. Both can use the boons of Shadow Bond, but Nephis is undoubtedly the main beneficiary of the bond, not Sunny.

Nephis constantly has to do everything in her power to not mistakenly order Sunny in any way. She literally has to do everything in her power just to even/balance things out. So, in what way is the shadow bond more beneficial to Sunny? Only when Nephis does more than she needs to as his Master? And even then, she has to watch her words with utmost caution.

And in many instances, Nephis has abused the bond, like ordering Sunny to leave her in the Crimson Spire. Yes, it was to Save Sunny, but Sunny himself didn't want that.

Isn't ordering your slave to do something he doesn't want to do abusive? Even when it's beneficial for him? Sunny didn't want to leave Nephis, but she ordered him to leave, which is abusive as it hurt Sunny alot, because of the bond and the fact that she was the one ordering him.

In Chapter 2992, Nephis herself had admitted that she again would've used the bond to force sunny to leave. This alone indicates that her views on the bond clearly hasn't much changed. In dangerous circumstances, Nephis will order sunny to leave her, something he doesn't want to do, which directly makes it abusive, as Nephis is telling sunny to do something he clearly doesn't want to.

[Shadow Dance]

[Shadow Dance] allows Sunny to become anyone whilst possessing his Supreme power. On paper, it sounds wonderful, and it is. Until everyone over-glazes it to Stupidity.

Everyone keeps bringing in the fact that Sunny can become immune to Corruption by Copying Nephis. This is likely possible, but everyone just considers it official like we've seen sunny actively copying Nephis, which we have not.

Sunny hasn't copied Nephis, especially not her Ascended ability (the mirror one doesn't count). But everyone just favors Sunny in that regard like he's as immune to Corruption as Nephis is. This is stupid.

Sunny doesn't really have much of a protection against Corruption as the other two does. Which is a fine thing to accept, but the glazers can't accept THAT, and resorts to just accept Sunny shadow Dancing [Longing]

And [Shadow Dance] seems to have a limit on foes like the Archon. Sunny couldn't become an antithesis of the Archon and it's might, having to resort to Weaving.

And so far, we've seen Sunny shadow dancing into beings he knows in depth, those being Saint and Serpent. But again, everyone takes it in their mind that Sunny can Shadow Dance into Anyone with ease, which is absolutely untrue.

Sunny knows Nephis in depth and could most likely turn into her, but so far he hasn't. So, anything Nephis does or can do shouldn't correlate to Sunny being able to do the same thing.

Overall Thoughts

I do believe that Sunny can be Immune to Corruption via Copying Nephis. But it shouldn't be considered official and included in discussions when we have not Seen Sunny become Nephis, especially [Longing]. [Shadow Dance] hasn't been fully utilised, but that is something not everyone accepts.

The [Shadow Bond] is more detrimental to Sunny than it is a merit. Sunny is just lucky enough that his Master doesn't believe in Slavery. But not everyone is like Nephis.

Excluding Nephis, Sunny has a higher chance of having a bad Owner than a good one. It's the truth, but everyone just assumes the best case scenario regarding the bond, and includes it in discussions like it's a merit for Sunny, when it's more detrimental than beneficial.

u/Exotic-Chair-6960 — 11 hours ago

Question: Can't Supreme Mordret Augment Himself 49 Times By Mirroring Supreme Sunless Via His Seven Reflections and be Bonded to Them Through Shadow Bond???

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In another post where I was glazing Goatdret, someone commented about how Mordret could theoretically Reflect Supreme Sunny Via His Seven Reflections, and then be bonded to them via Shadow bond, which would then allow him to augment himself about 49 times.

Shouldn't this actually be possible/doable??? After all, I don't think that he can't mirror Shadow bond as we saw beastie mirror shadow bond.

Now that sunny has regained his fate, and especially his innate ability, Mordret should be able to Shadow bonded to his Seven Reflections and augment himself by mirroring supreme sunny...

This should be possible by all means, right?? G3 what the hell! Show my goat using his broken aspect like how it's supposed to be used, dammit......

u/Exotic-Chair-6960 — 3 days ago

Which Pic is more Accurate to Nephis's Character.. Most likely The First But The Latter also portrays Her Well When you Think About it

u/Exotic-Chair-6960 — 7 days ago

Unkillable ≠ Strongest/Most Powerful... This Guy was a Bum Without a Domain to Leach Off From

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Actually, now that I think about it, why didn't the Divine Trio just use Nightmare to lull Asterion asleep in order to subdue him?

I mean, he was Domainless by then, and was dealt with a few grievous wounds by the Mad Prince. So Nightmare alone should've been enough to take him of him, or using him while the divine trio were fighting him. After all, their goal was to subdue him, not beat his ass to death.

u/Exotic-Chair-6960 — 7 days ago

Hot Take: Nephis Is Currently The Most Powerful Supreme

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In my opinion, Nephis is currently the most powerful Sovereign in the Dream Realm. She beats almost everyone in every category. And those whom she can't beat, she'll enslave.

She not only has her powers to use but also Sunny's via Shadow bond. In worst case scenarios, Sunny can and will let himself be used by Nephis if it means her Survival/Success is ensured, something Sunny has come to terms with.

Set Of Powers

Nephis possesses the following:

Seven Soul Cores

Sun God's Lineage

• [Shadow Bond] (She owns Sunny)

Second Best Battle Art

Most Potent AP in the Verse

• Knowledge Of Corruption

Flight

Knowledge Of Passion and Destruction

Sorcery Of Names

[Blessing]

Seven Nukes

Great Citadels (Ivory Tower And Night garden)

Showcasing Nephis's Feats

Nephis possesses the second best battle art, and is so good at combat that only Sunny with Shadow Dance can match her.

Supreme Nephis managed to directly One-hit Abjuration to Oblivion, the same Cursed Demon whose main ability is to negate/cancel out any attacks. Not only did she manage to kill it, but was completely alright and didn't lose her humanity afterwards.

Domainless Nephis managed to stay ahead and clear the path to cross the Dessert. Without a Domain, she was able to clear through the Deathless and the Swarm of butterflies which allowed The Chain Breaker to reach the crack on top of the tomb.

Domainless Nephis managed to completely burn off an entire wing of the VTB (Cursed Terror) and was dealing the most potent damage until Sunny turned into a Soul Serpent.

Nephis currently possesses the most powerful Domain in the Verse (G3's words apparently), and now she is connected to the Shadow Domain as well, which means she is empowered by two Domains.

Nephis can also bring in Sunny in any fight as he's bound to her in every way. In a way, they're one and the Same. So Nephis can be augmented by Sunny's incarnations on top of augmenting herself.

The Axarax Argument

I've seen many people putting Azarax on top of the list of the Strongest Supremes, but I think everyone is overestimating him, given how little we know about him. Even his Transcended ability is unclear/unconfirmed. The only Categories he excels at is Battle Experience, physical Strength and Battle IQ.

Nephis's AP is more potent, has Seven Nukes, can utilize Sorcery to amp her attacks, use the knowledge of Corruption, and has Sunny to use if the worst case occurs.

Nephis can also use the Crushing to pulverize the Deathless to smithereens, or open a portal which would send them Elsewhere from the battle field, leaving Azarax alone and vulnerable. Then she can just gang up on him with Sunny as Sunny belongs to her.

Nephis can utilize every type of warfare strategy including Guerilla warfare via Sunny. She simply has more options and more power.

The Will Argument

Axarax's will is arguably the Best/Strongest in the Verse, but that was until Sunny regained shadow bond. People comment on how Sunny's will is weaker than Axarax's, but that's a Stupid Comparison when you realize that Sunny's Will isn't meant to be "Strong", but to be more "versatile". Nephis's will is meant to be strong and powerful only. Her Will is Straightforward. It's meant to Destroy/Heal anything or anyone.

I'm unsure if Nephis's will was as strong as Axarax's, but it definitely is now after reclaiming shadow bond, as Sunny and Nephis's wills have fused into One powerful Will..

You tell me who's will is stronger? A nephilim's Will Combined with Divine Shadows, Both possessing Divine Aspects, or an Immortal Supreme with a Deathless army? Sounds close but it's not that close.

Can Azarax take out Abjuration, burn off a Wing of a Cursed terror with his or even Survive Corruption? Maybe he can for the first two, but it's unconfirmed so we can't throw out wedges.

u/Exotic-Chair-6960 — 8 days ago

Ranking Supremes From Strongest To Weakest [Excluding Domains]

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Sidenote: [The main reason as to why I'm excluding Domains is because The Domain Size of each Supreme is different, which would make it hard to scale them as Nephis/Asterion had the Entire Human population whilst Anvil/Kisong just had their Clans. And Domains don't provide much except for Endless Soul essence and a bit of Enhanced power to the Supreme]

1. [Nephis] {Changing Star} : [1] Has the highest AP. [2] can heal/burn. [3] Is immune to Corruption. [4] Empowered by Sun God's Lineage [5] Has a fast Soul essence regeneration. [6] knows about Sorcery of Names. [7] Has the Second best Battle Art. [8] Possesses a powerful Soul bounded memory [9] has Sunny to use on a whim (Excluding morality, and only caring about what power she has in her hands).

2. [Sunny] {Lost From Light} : [1] Has Seven Incarnations (technically seven lives). [2] Empowered by Weaver's Lineage. [3] Has Seven Supreme Shadows. [4] Has the best Battle Art. [5] Has two divine tools. [6] knows the Sorcery of weaving. [7] Has a powerful Busted Soul bounded Memory.

3. [Mordret] {King Of Nothing} : [1] Has Seven Reflections. [2] Immunity to most Divinations. [3] Empowered By War God's Lineage. [4] can exist in multiple different places. [5] Has the mirror realm. [6] can store and use the mist of Nothing. [7] One of the hardest supremes to kill.

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4. [Axarax] {The Plague Of Steel} : [1] Is one of the strongest Supremes physically. [2] Has the most battle Experience. [3] Second most knowledgeable Supreme. [4] High Battle IQ.

5. [Anvil] {King Of Swords} : [1] Most likely had one of the highest AP. [2] Empowered by War God's Lineage. [3] Can control metals of any kind. [4] Possessed Cursed Blades and one Sacred blade. [5] Could Cut Space-Time and Concepts. [6] Possesses adequate knowledge about Runic Sorcery.

6. [Kisong] {Queen Of Ravenheart} : [1] Busted Dormant ability. [2] Empowered by Beast God's Lineage. [3] Is an army herself via possessing her Puppets. [4] Is almost Unkillable.

7. [Cassie] {Song Of The Fallen} : [1] Can summon Seven Transcendent beast or One Transcendent Titan, or more beings the lower the ranks get. [2] Memory Manipulation [3] Possesses adequate knowledge about Runic Sorcery.

8. [Asterion] {The Dreamspawn} : [1] Possesses Five Divine Lineages. [2] The most Unkillable. [3] The most knowledgeable.

9. [Ananke] {Queen Of The River People} : [1] Can create any material. [2] mix and repair materials altogether. [3] can destroy any material and drain Soul essence of others to replenish hers.

Further Clarifications:

Domainless Nephis managed to Cross the Dessert, Enter the Tomb and deal grievous wounds to the VTB (Cursed Terror). Yes, Azarax and Sunny helped the most, but she did almost as much as them without a Domain. And just because Nephis wouldn't abuse [Shadow Bond] doesn't mean that She doesn't possess that power over Sunny.

Asterion is pretty low on the list simply because of the fact that he's more Unkillable than he is Strong/Powerful. He's like a parasite that leaches off a Domain to thrive. The other Supremes don't rely on their Domains as much as Asterion does.

Even with a crumbling domain, he was getting his ass beaten by The Mad Prince. Unkillable ≠ Strongest/Most Powerful. This is something everyone ignores. He certainly wasn't Strong/Smart enough to expect being ganged up on by Anvil and Kisong.

Azarax is stronger than Mordret but Mordret is more versatile and has more options to utilise. He can gang up on him by mirroring him through his Seven Reflections. We also haven't seen fulldret at full power yet, and Azarax wasn't in his prime when we last saw him fight.

Anvil and Kisong were strong Supremes. Anvil had killed Cursed Beings and Kisong's Dormant ability was so busted that Anvil didn't allow himself to be wounded by her, as one hit would result in his death.

u/Exotic-Chair-6960 — 10 days ago

Whose Feat Is Better? Nephis Conquering The Second Nightmare Or Morgan Conquering The Third Nightmare?

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Both have conquered a Nightmare trial by themselves. Nephis as a sleeper managed to conquer the Second Nightmare on her Own, whilst Morgan conquered the Third Nightmare by herself as an Ascended.

This debate actually feels more complicated than it looks at first glance.

Nephis as a Sleeper, Conquered the Second Nightmare which was located in a Unknown/Unexplored Region [The Underworld]. She managed to Survive until the End in the Underworld when she knew nothing about that place. She was also unprepared both Physically and Psychologically. She also didn't do nothing much except rallying broken stone saints and got her butt handed to her by the creatures of Darkness.

While we weren't given full context of Morgan's Third Nightmare, she at least had the time to prepare for it and most likely had adequate knowledge about what the Seed of Nightmare held for her given where it was located.

While the Nephis's feat might feel/sound better, Morgan's might be equal to her simply because of the fact that a Third Nightmare is WAY harder to conquer than a Second Nightmare, even more harder/practically suicidal if you're challenging it alone.

What do you think?

u/Exotic-Chair-6960 — 13 days ago

Discussion: Can The Domainless Divine Trio Individually Take On a Domainless Asterion

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In the final fight, Asterion was defeated by the Divine Trio, each harming him in different ways. Mordret fought Asterion inside his Soul and kept poisoning his mind using Asterion's own Aspect, and Sunny and Nephis dealt powerful blows to Asterion's morbid body in the real world.

So my question is, Could the divine Trio Individually take out the Dreamspawn?

Even though they were able to take down Asterion relatively easily, he still managed to consume another lineage whilst Fighting three divine aspect holders at the same time.

At What difficulty do you think Sunny, Mordret and Nephis would require to take out the Dreamspawn?

u/Exotic-Chair-6960 — 14 days ago

Really Liking The Fact Shadow Slave Is Becoming More Famous And Gaining More Awesome Fanarts

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Credits: [Found it on Pinterest, would really appreciate it someone could tell me who made such a masterpiece]

u/Exotic-Chair-6960 — 15 days ago

Broken Sword's Cohort Is Way More Awesome/Cooler Than Changing Star's Cohort

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The More you look into each member of Broken Sword's cohort, the more you'll realize just how OP and impressive they are. Each of them weren't as gifted or lucky as Sunny or the divine Trio, but they nonetheless managed to achieve a lot, especially as a team.

[Anvil Of Valor]

Despite only being a Supreme Beast, he's one of the three Supremes who have been confirmed to have killed Cursed beings, and his Aspect is utility oriented, not Combat. His arsenal is also top notch, having Cursed blades and tons of tailor-made Memories to use on a whim.

His AP is one of the Highest in the entire verse, cutting Space-Time and literal Concepts. And that's just his blades, his Armor and other memories are strong enough for him to contend with Cursed beings.

His application of Sorcery is also extremely clever and out of the box thinking. Anvil can perform Runic Sorcery through the thousands of Swords he controls, which is really beneficial during battles. This 3D application of Runic Sorcery can enhance Anvil's power, AP and can deliver powerful blows. Had G3 fleshed out his Aspect more in detail, he certainly would have been even more awesome/deadlier.

[Kisong Of Ravenheart]

Even though Broken Sword was the main fighter, Kisong was much better at dealing potent blows thanks to her Dormant ability. Add that with her Awakened and Ascended ability and she basically has an army to control 24/7 which can also exacerbate any wounds she deals, which is pretty OP.

Her Transcended ability takes it even further where she can transform into a Massive Ocean of Blood. Her Transcended ability makes it so that even a drop of blood will result in her revival, putting her in 3rd place for the hardest Sovereign to kill, right behind Mordret and Asterion.

Her Aspect used together results in a kingdom where she has countless puppets acting as an extension of her existence, which can exacerbate any wounds and is practically impossible to kill as any puppet's survival ensures her survival.

[Asterion the Minotaur]

The Hardest Sovereign to Kill, and that speaks volumes considering Kisong and Mordret exist. His Dormant, Awakened and Ascended ability allows him to manipulate and feed on emotions, which is even more dangerous once he achieved transcendence.

His Transcended ability transforms him into a giant morbid creature possessing the body/characteristics of everything/every being he has Devoured. But it's his Supreme Ability which is what makes him such a threat, and that is him being turned into an "Idea" itself.

Asterion is amped by five divine lineages, can easily poison anyone's mind, survived on the moon next to a unholy being and took over the Human Domain without any real effort. His mind attacks are strong too, at least strong enough to momentarily halt Sunny (Divine Aspect Holder with Weaver's Lineage and has Seven incarnations) and put a Cursed Devil to Sleep.

[Broken Sword Of The Immortal Flame]

The three Sovereigns mentioned above ganged up on this Single individual, and even then it wasn't easy for them to cleanly take him out. Imagine being so strong that three folks with Divine lineages and OP Aspects have to team up just to kill you, because you would kill them individually otherwise. That was Broken Sword.

No battle experience, no real background and no real education, and he still managed to out-paced the best of the best through just pure observation via his Aspect. Not much else can be said currently due to lack of info regarding him, but it's evidently clear that he was way more powerful than the above three Sovereigns right after conquering the 4th Nightmare.

[Smile Of Heaven]

Not much about her is known, but her Aspect is still overall pretty good and synchronizes well with her cohort members. Through her Aspect, she could allow her soul to wander around freely as a bright spirit, and even occupy objects and maybe even other people's bodies.

So, we have a Guy who goes around swinging Cursed blades, A Woman who can one-hit you whilst surviving as a tiny drop of blood, a guy who can consume anything and is the most unkillable person introduced, and their leader who could momentarily take on all of them at once. And SOH who could Scout around and act like a ghost.

OK, enough glazing for today. Goodnight everyone and I hope you have a good night.

u/Exotic-Chair-6960 — 15 days ago

Every Major Character That Was Manipulated By Asterion

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From the beginning of the Series, the Dreamspawn had been secretly toying with every single character.. Now that he has finally been taken down, let's take a dive on how each major character was Manipulated By Asterion and how it affected the story.

[Anvil Of Valor]: No other character was as badly manipulated as Anvil was by Asterion. Asterion wouldn't have been able to do half of his misdeeds if he didn't have Anvil on his side to control. Asterion did the following to Anvil:

[1] Manipulated Anvil into thinking that Smile Of Heaven's Death was Broken Sword's fault, and conspired to kill him even before he acquired Weaver's lineage. [2] Manipulated Anvil into thinking that Mordret wasn't his real son even when he was assured by Gwen and Jest.

[Kisong Of Ravenheart]: She was manipulated the moment she realized that Anvil and Asterion were planning to kill Broken Sword... She was with them for own self-interest, but even wouldn't have outright planned to kill Broken Sword... But she was "forced" to go along with them.

If she and Broken Sword actually teamed up Instead, maybe they would've stood a chance no doubt... But Asterion manipulated her into thinking that she had no other choice, suppressing any thoughts about siding with Weaver's heir.

[Nightwalker of Night's House]: This guy was fucked the most by the Cannibal... Not only was he betrayed by the Dreamspawn, but was also killed so that he wouldn't be able to leave the Eternal City.

I'm pretty sure it's clear by now that Asterion planned to leave Nightwalker in the Eternal City so that at least one person would remember his existence in a worst case scenario. Thus, essentially making him immortal in a way.

[Broken Sword Of Immortal Flame]: While I don't think he out-right did anything to fuel Broken Sword's desire to save his wife, I'm pretty certain that he made sure that everyone perceived him as deranged and unstable...

I think Broken Sword's aspect had a way to perceive attributes and aspects of a person after attaining ascendence, or that he would wake up the Forgotten God which would ruin Asterion's plan as he wouldn't have enough time to Consume everything and become Divine.

The first explanation could explain why he had Broken Sword killed even before he Acquired Weaver's Lineage (Anvil made a deal to kill him right after SOH's Death, and before Broken Sword acquired Weaver's Lineage)

[Mordret Of Nowhere]: The Mordret we know is the ruthless guy who says that it's not his fault that everything/everyone he reflects is hideous and ugly. Being raised by Asterion, he grew up with manners that are quite similar to Asterion (their mannerisms are very similar). But, Mordret has nothing but hatred for his guardian, enough hatred to launch an entire war despite being a Sovereign for less than a year.

Even during the War, Asterion did nothing but Condem Mordret like a Child, telling him off and saying that he wouldn't be able to do anything. Their interaction also showed how much Mordret loathes Asterion, which could be the result of his terrible childhood under the Dreamspawn's care.

The only thing Mordret lacked in his War against Asterion was Knowledge about Sacredhood, otherwise he would've had Succeeded and would've become Sacred.

u/Exotic-Chair-6960 — 16 days ago

Hot Take: Nephis is Correct That The Nightmare Spell is a Necessary "Evil"

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Ever since finding out about the origin of the Spell and why it was created, almost everyone argues that the Spell is an effective and efficient way to for folks to grow stronger than Natural Ascension and that it's overall purpose is good.

While it's purpose is righteous, the way it achieves it is horrendous, inefficient and disgusting in my opinion. I believe that the Spell is both Cruel and unfair.

Throwing Sleepers in Death Zones During the Winter Solstice

Every year, dozens of sleeper are thrown in the dream realm during the Winter Solstice. More than 70% of those Sleepers doesn't survive the Dream realm, with a small margin Surviving, and even then barely.

If the Spell was as cruelly effective as everyone says, then it should be doing everything in it's power to ensure the survivability of as many sleepers as possible. The Spell could easily throw sleepers in regions where their Aspects could be fully utilised like throwing Gunlauge in Stormsea, not in the forgotten shore. Or throw them near citadels in order to give them a chance to survive.

My biggest example of this Unfair treatment towards Sleepers stems from the First Bright Lord's Death. He was said to be extremely powerful, or at least powerful enough to unite the Dark city and and try to escape. He only failed because he was dropped off in a Death Zone without an Oracle to warn him about the mist of Nothing.

The Category Five Gate's Emergence

Considering the pace at which the Spell would grow, the emergence of Category Five Gate was completely unpredictable and completely unbalanced the Waking World, completely fucking up the Second generation (Anvil, Broken Sword, Smile of Heaven)

At that time period, the highest level Humans managed to climb was the Rank of Ascendence. Explain to me how a small portion of Masters could keep pace with the Spell when it drops a literal Gate to Sacredhood when no one has even closed a Category three gate at that point?

This Category Five Gate single-handedly destroyed the best cohort of that Generation. Not just that, the world lost an entire Continent in the span of a few weeks. It was the largest scale of danger the waking world had faced, and the Spell did it so out of Cruelty, not with the intent to help.

The Pointless Argument Between Sunny and Nephis

Sunny's argument was to just become Divine and stop at that, without challenging the seventh nightmare. He believed that the Spell would hold back the Forgotten God until the universe dies from coldness.

This Argument from Sunny is stupid and would've put him on the same level as Anvil and Kisong. Why? Because then he would intentionally remain ignorant towards those innocent sleepers who would be thrown into Death Zones by the Spell, or those who have to deal with Category 3+ Gates.

Nephis is Correct by the fact that the Spell only feels nice because they are it's beneficiaries, not it's victims. And not everyone is as lucky/fortunate as the main cast. Most individuals gain more Suffering than any type of reward by the Spell.

Nephis's Untainted Morality

Nephis says that Both the Forgotten God and the Spell has to go, because in her eyes both are the same. And I absolutely agree with her. Nephis's argument easily highlights how the Spell wastes individuals with high potential by stranding them in death Zones (First Bright Lord, Gunlauge, Efffie's teacher, etc.), and it never explains why it was necessary to cut out such promising talents.

Anvil was fucked up in the head, and Kisong was no better by cowering in hopes of making a stronger domain. Sunny would've also been here as he would've chosen ignorance simply because the don't know if it's plausible to beat the Forgotten God. Here, almost Everyone's Morality is tainted by their own hypocrisy.

Nephis was like them in the Forgotten Shore, but after then, she has gotten better, her morality has gotten better, at least better than Vale, Song and Sunny. Because she believes that everyone should fight against the Spell, one way or another.

u/Exotic-Chair-6960 — 18 days ago

Question: How Can Sunny And Nephis Challenge The Sixth Nightmare??

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The seed of the sixth Nightmare is located on the Moon, the place where the Spell first started infecting people. So, my question is, how would they challenge it when they can't reach it?

As supremes, both Sunny and Nephis have a hard time staying in the waking world for too long. So chances are, they completely be unable to enter the waking world at all once they become Sacred. But if that's the case, then how would they challenge the sixth seed which is located in the waking world?

I'm gonna assume that by the time Sunny and Nephis managed to become Sacred, a good portion of the waking world would already be consumed by the Dream realm, including the moon. Which could explain them being able to actually challenge the nightmare.

u/Exotic-Chair-6960 — 19 days ago

Prime Anvil and Kisong Along with Axarax Tries to Conquer the Tomb Of Ariel. How Far do They Go???

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In this hypothetical scenario, both Anvil and Kisong team up and travel to the Nightmare Dessert in order to conquer the Tomb. On their way, they meet Azarax and make a deal where Azarax would help them.

Further Clarifications:

Both Anvil and Kisong have adequate knowledge about the Deathless and that you have to travel at night.

Prime Anvil = Has his Domain (Clan Valor), has his Cursed Swords including the sacred blade from Condemnation and has prep time.

Prime Kisong = Has her Domain (Clan Song), brought all of her puppets and has prep time.

How far do you think that'll make it before reaching a breaking point? I personally think that they could actually go far until they encounter the Archon. That's where they would stop in my opinion.

u/Exotic-Chair-6960 — 22 days ago

Warm Take: Anvil and Kisong were much Better Antagonists than Asterion

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With the conclusion of Volume 11, the name that is Asterion is practically gone as well, being defeated by three Divine Aspect Holders and a Supreme that counters his Ability. But despite the fact that it took so much to take him out, his overall character felt like a small hurdle at best.

Sounds a bit crazy but Anvil and Kisong were much better than Asterion in terms of being an Antagonist.

Antagonists Being Fleshed Out

Both Anvil and Kisong were fleshed out by Jest and Master Orum's POV in Volume 9. Anvil's slow descent into Self-hatred and nihilism due to his flaw, and Kisong's descent into her False sense of pride and wishfulness to be a mother were nicely encapsulated, something that wasn't done for Asterion.

Asterion never really received any back story or anything related to his past, specifically about his upbringing in the Dream realm where his sense of being better than "Humans" began.

Anvil and Kisong before awakening had ideals and Values that were tested but ultimately resulted in futility, which later turned them into the big bads they became.

The End Goal

The goals of both Anvil and Kisong were twisted and perverted, even though they themselves thought otherwise.

Anvil wanted to be killed by Nephis, finally creating something "perfect" and ending himself for the self-hatred he had and giving Valor a better Ruler, or Killing Nephis and acquiring something close to a "Flawless Blade" and moving forward until finding/making an actual flawless blade.

Kisong wanted to have one big Domain so that she wouldn't need to challenge the 4th Nightmare, because it threatened her humanity, or the false sense of humanity she still had left. Being scared of Sacredhood, she did everything else to solidify the power she had. She did everything except challenging the 4th nightmare.

Asterion's Goal was more grandiose, but it lacked what the other two had, and that was Depth. The readers saw things from Anvil and Kisong's pov, which made everyone understand why they wanted to accomplish their end goal.

Asterion's excessive Hunger was never explained in depth or in any back stories of Anvil and Kisong's backstory. His intentions are evil, but what caused them was never fully told. Was it his flaw like the other two? Traumatic childhood where he was kept as a next coming of christ as Heart God's vessel? Or anything else. There's so many characters with no backstory or depth that can make their end goal feel more confident and alive, something Asterion's character failed at.

Showcase Of Power

Both Anvil and Kisong were actually really powerful Supremes, no matter what anyone says.

Anvil alone is ranked 2nd at the most amount of Cursed Beings killed by Supremes, only falling behind Sunny. Anvil's first real fight against Condemnation showed the Physical and mental prowess of Anvil, using his Swords as conduits for runic sorcery and using the God graves Sun to deal most of the damages. Even if that fight felt like Anvil had to rely on the Sun, he still went and fought Condemnation to the point where Condemnation couldn't escape the gaze of the Sun.

Anvil could cut concepts and space-time. He has literally sliced intangible stuff like Sunny's determination and courage. Having Cursed swords is itself an achievement and shows his actual strength.

Kisong's strong points, on the other hand, is a lot like Asterion's, only that her Aspect was shown to it's full capacity. Even a tiny drop of her blood would result in her revival, showing how near-impossible it was to actually kill her. Mix that with her Dormant ability and anyone is toast. Even Anvil did everything in his power to not let Kisong get one good hit, because it would result in his Death.

Anvil was wary of being hit by Kisong. A supreme who has killed Cursed Beings, is wary of Ravensong. If that doesn't showcase power, then nothing else would. Her versatility, cunningness and cleverness is above most other sovereigns.

Final Conclusion

Asterion's first introduction during the end of Volume 8 was fantastic. Even after that, the way he was described like Kisong and Mordret made him appear more dangerous. But him being given no chance to properly show his power in depth kinda robbed him of any chance to aura farm.

The people of Glass Hell slowly becoming Asterion's thrall was executed quite well, and such executions should've been showed in multiple different locations like Bastion and Raven heart, not just dialogues from Seishan and Effie. Showing Asterion turning the firekeepers into his thralls would've certainly added weight to the entire scenario.

Any Nightmare creature with mind hexes like the Soul devouring tree, the sybils and the moth proved that G3 can actually make awesome horror scenes when mind related abilities are involved.

u/Exotic-Chair-6960 — 23 days ago

Hot Take: Asterion Should've Remembered Sunny Even After Him Becoming [Fateless] which Would've Made Him A Much Better Antagonist

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Asterion's entire kit was made to utilise the fullest potential of the Divine Lineage flowing through his veins, and that lineage belonged to Heart God. Heart God was the God of Hunger, emotions, Souls and memories. Asterion literally had every aspect at what Heart God held like Hunger and emotions.

So what if he could also remember all the memories of those who spoke his Name as well? That could've made things much more interesting and would've made the stakes feel more at threat as Asterion remembered Sunny's Existence when no one else did.

What made Asterion such a threat was the large amount of knowledge he held, and could use said knowledge to manipulate those around him. So him remembering Sunny and manipulating him into any kind of deals would've made him appear more clever and tactical.

I saw a meme before the start of Volume 11 hyping up Asterion with many speculating him saying "Hello, Lost From Light", and I thought that something like Asterion still remembering Sunny would've made things sooo interesting and would've upscaled him without any effort.

And him still remembering Sunny would've made sense as he had Heart God's Lineage who also was the God Of Memories.

The latest Volume revealed that Fate existed on a higher plain of Existence where even the Gods/Void beings had to bow down to it, which I think downscaled anyone with a Divine lineage, including Asterion.

So yeah, Asterion still remembering Sunny and Using that to Manipulate him would've made things really interesting and would've made Asterion appear more dangerous.

Sidenote: How come Asterion still doesn't know that Sunny no longer has Shadow God's Lineage? I mean he lost it when he was a sleeper, and invoked his Asterion's name as an Awakened. So Asterion Should've known that Sunny currently has Weaver's Lineage, but he does not, which is weird to me as he knows that Sunny has a Divine Aspect.

u/Exotic-Chair-6960 — 26 days ago