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Currently, we have a super-automatic, and I have been thinking about what to get for my next coffee machine as an upgrade in coffee quality. Until last week, I was between the DeLonghi PrimaDonna Aromatic ($2200) and the Jura Z10 ($4500). I thought even if the Z10 produces 20% better drinks, I am willing to pay double the price, but then I discovered the Breville Oracle Jet and how easy it is to use. It appears to be so close to a super-automatic and at $3200 is cheaper than the Z10. On top of all that, the grinder adjustment appears to be much easier for when changing bean types, which we do often. The Oracle Jet will also prompt you to adjust the grinder as your beans age if you do take longer to finish them! 

All reading and watching reviews point to the fact that the Oracle Jet would produce much better coffee than the Jura Z10. Is this true? Has anyone had experience with both? My main concern with the Oracle Jet is how much mess it makes when cleaning the portafilter. Is it as easy as advertised? I am also considering getting the (greatly named) Puck Sucker. 

Edit: Prices are from Australia.

I have been looking at new coffee machines, and besides the initial cost, I am interested in ongoing costs. One that I am looking at is the Jura Z10 and was amazed by the amount of maintenance cost just around the milk system! I started wondering if this is a money-grabbing scheme or covering themselves against court cases or a bit of both. 🤔

I mean, you need to clean it daily with proprietary (expensive) tablets, and you need to replace the (silicone) milk pipe and milk spout every three months! Really?!?!? Hygiene (bacteria) and preventing blockages is cited around the internet, so I started wondering if there is evidence for this. First, I looked at other coffee machines, specifically ones that have a similar milk system, like the KitchenAid KF8, and I discovered that KF8 only needs to be rinsed with water daily, once a week with soapy water, and no need to replace parts.

Now my logic goes... Considering the KF8 milk system is similar in a way that the frothing parts are left at room temperature and the milk container goes in the refrigerator, one would think that the risk of bacteria development would be the same, right? Any reports of people getting sick by using KF8? Then the requirements to replace the pipe and the spout every three months. Again, anyone gotten sick by using KF8 for not replacing those parts? Considering Jura wants you to do daily cleaning with chemicals, why would those parts be in risk of clogging? If they are degrading, then are they admitting that they are using inferior materials? Now add to all this the fact that DeLonghi milk carafe silicon tubes are in use for years, makes you wonder what the truth is... 

We currently have a PrimaDonna Soul and it's okay but we want something better. The main problem I find is that the milk froth is very inconsistent. Most of the time the difference between no froth and maximum froth is close to nothing. Other times when it does work as advertised, at no froth (for a flat white), the milk is too cold. 

I was wondering if the new PrimaDonna Aromatic is better in that regard or should I just start looking at Jura, Gaggia Accademia or anything else that is available in Australia?

We mainly drink milk-based coffees with no additives, not even sugar. At times we prefer an extra shot or just a touch of milk. 

I don't mind paying more for Jura maintenance if it saves me time as right now we have to clean ours at least once to twice a week which involves soaking all removable parts (minus the brew unit) in soapy water. 

I cannot find a place to see and try the Accademia but looking at videos it appears more industrial (office) style of machine and seems more involved in configuring the "perfect cup". I like full automation even if it sacrifices a bit of taste, otherwise I would be looking at semiautomatic.