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Why WAS Dale out in that field late at night, by himself…?

I know the Doylist answer (so he could get killed by Chekov’s walker), but what’s the in-story (Watsonian) reason?

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u/Far_Gap6144 — 5 days ago

“Plot Armor” and why every unlikely survival is bad storytelling (inspired by another thread)

There’s an old storytelling principle, often attributed to Dickens (though I don’t think there’s a clean authoritative source for it), that coincidence may get characters INTO trouble, but it must not get them OUT of trouble.

And I sometimes wonder if that’s what people are reacting to, instinctively, when they slap “plot armor” onto every survival, reunion, or improbable event in TWD. Even if they’re not consciously thinking in literary terms, they can feel when a story bends too hard to protect somebody.

But fiction ALSO runs on coincidence, pattern, recurrence, timing, symbolic returns, all of it. Nabokov is often associated with the opposite idea: that art is built out of design and coincidence rather than escaping it.

At a certain point, if you strip all coincidence and improbability out of a story like TWD, you don’t have myth or drama anymore. You have a survival spreadsheet.

Rick waking up alone in a dead hospital. Carol repeatedly surviving impossible situations. Morgan reappearing at pivotal moments. Daryl finding people against absurd odds. Judith surviving infancy at all. None of that is “realistic.” It’s narrative selection. The question is whether the story earns it emotionally and thematically.

That’s why I’ve always thought “plot armor” is sometimes used too broadly in fandom discourse. Sometimes it’s a valid criticism. Other times it’s just resistance to the fact that stories are constructed things, not the actuarial tables of the “life insurance” industry.

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u/Far_Gap6144 — 7 days ago

S2E4, “Cherokee Rose”

I love the “Cherokee Rose” story, I do. But, meaning no insult to Daryl (whom I love), where might he have heard the story…?

CAROL:

A flower?

DARYL:

It's a Cherokee rose.

The story is that when American soldiers were moving Indians off their land on the Trail of Tears, the Cherokee mothers were grieving and crying so much ‘cause they were losing their little ones along the way from exposure and disease and starvation.

A lot of them just disappeared. So the elders, they said a prayer; asked for a sign to uplift the mothers' spirits, give them strength and hope.

The next day this rose started to grow right where the mothers' tears fell. I’m not fool enough to think there's any flowers blooming for my brother.

But I believe this one bloomed for your little girl.

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u/Far_Gap6144 — 16 days ago

But, the meantime, I drove all over the map finding toys so I could play with this adorable little guy

u/Far_Gap6144 — 26 days ago

Andrea episode ending just now.

When Andrea says this—“I tried”—to Rick, what does she mean…? Depending on the episode rewatch, it strikes me differently: “I tried (to reach you and the others to warn you),” or “I tried (to keep living, after deciding to leave the CDC with you”), or, something else…?

I also want to take a moment to note how especially lovely the music is here. It continues over through the credits (as the musical cues sometimes do after a major character’s death); it’s elegiac, sometimes even softening me toward her as a character—which is quite the feat, all things considered.

What do *you* think?

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u/Far_Gap6144 — 27 days ago