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What does it means?

I listen to a sound

But I listen to also things without sound

Inward thinking with music, past conversations, and words

I listen to them but they have no sound at all

How?

What is the root meaning of sound?

The Best meaning I came up is a sensation between the hears

But what about the inward sound?

This difference made me question this

If both are receive by me. And I’m giving them the same name, but one does not equal the other. Something is wrong with the meaning of it.

I think sound is not just noise. I think sound is a reactive shapeless alert system

It doesn’t have a fixed shape. It can’t. It changes itself from noise into "inward noise"

It travels through the boundaries of what’s possible to hear and what’s possible to hear it through.

This whatever thing has the ability to be active with sound and without it.

So what is it?

It comes when someone is talking to you. Sound inside you. Then it comes when you are thinking.

Now the gold question is

How do I know that I’m listening?

I pay attention to this word "know”

It can only come when you are already know something

So the mechanism to deal with the known is with memory, remembering

Wait a second

So this means that I need to remember to listen?

I don’t think so

Imagine if someone needs to remember to listen? That person would be living in a non present world.

That person would need to be living in full illusions worlds, all made by the brain, all made by memories.

So listening is never possible with the known.

Because to listen with the known you have to use your thinking to make you think that you are listening.

Look at the delay

So then I see this

And I went into what is listening without knowing?

Without knowing is like I’m in a classroom for the very first time. All eager to listen to the lecture without having any prior knowledge or memory of it.

It is like you are listening to something genuinely new to you.

This requires me to drop all my memories, all my knowledge, everything I know.

So you can drop something and still pick it up again later

Now that I listen without knowing, I’m fully present here to listen

So what this means?

Listening without knowing how to listen is the closest thing to true listening

There are no filters, no discernible actions towards the message

The signal just arrives to you clean

This can be done by going into a forest or the outside and you listen to birds, airplanes sounds. There’s no filter. Because the sound is what is.

So what world would this be if people listen without knowing how to listen? If they listen without using their memories to corrupt the message?

Who are you if you listen "without knowing"?

The funny thing here is that listening without knowing is something outside of time. It doesn’t have a start nor an end. It is timeless. Not bound by material processes.

I have spent the last few days trying to understand what this word truly means

The root meaning of the word is to seek after

But what am seeking after?

Do I inquiring into something trying to find the answer?

Before inquiring do I need to know or have a sense of what I’m going to find?

Well that’s not inquiring truly.

That’s programmatic questioning

So I went deep and deeper

I spent all day, searching for an answer, why?

Because there has to be a true meaning of inquiring that it is undeniably true.

So what is it?

Then I realized something.

What if inquiring truly means to question something not hoping to have an answer?

Or to search for something not knowing what you will find

What kind of mental state is that?

Is that mental state even possible?

That’s when I realized it

Inquiring means the search for what’s not there, the questioning without not knowing.

But the questions that hit me was

How can you know what you don’t know?

How can you use what you know to find what you don’t know?

You can find what you know by remembering. Simple.

But how can you find what you don’t know?

Do you use the mental state of knowing to look for what you don’t know?

See the inequality

Any mathematical equation will tell you that 2 does not equal 3

So if you want to dive into what you don’t know, you need to have a "don’t know” mind.

Drop all your knowledge, forget who you are, put it aside. Act like a baby who just came to this world.

Then you will enter into the field of the unknown.

From there you question what you don’t know.

I see so many people in society trying to reach for something

And I look at them and I feel like they are going to path that has an end

And of course I ended up being right

The fulfillment happens but then it is not enough

Like someone who’s trying to reach a level

They get it the level and realize there’s no level

All of this things J Krisnamurti has been talking about it for years

K has realized this since he was almost 20 or 30 years.

And this is bizarre and also scary for K

He was living in a world in which he was the only one who truly understood life and was eager to dive into it without having chains of knowledge preventing further exploration into it

At the same time, this should serve as a warning to all of us who are in this journey

You are going to feel more isolated then ever because there is not a lot of people who are eager to explore life like you are

What’s desire?

Wanting something that it is not there.

So the thought jumps him, and gives you what you want in that moment.

However, the issue is that thought needs to work itself to give you the illusion of having what you want.

Then when it gives you what you want. But it needs to be constantly thinking about it so you "feel" you have it.

However, you are going into loop of thought for the benefit of having constant desire. So you gonna want more and more.

But what’s wrong with that?

Nothing.

It is just dissipation of energy.

Thought needs energy to operate itself. And it is not using that energy to give you want, and by doing that, it is also keeping itself alive. Because thought needs to operate, it has its own "body".

But thought, who’s constantly thinking about desire is harming you without knowing it is harming you.

That’s why it is important for you to see thought for what thought is.

A reactive engine loop that doesn’t have a fixed pattern. It is dynamically choosing its own pattern of thinking.

Linear thinking, circular thinking,etc are patterns that thought uses intelligently to operate depending on the situation, and the materials it has in front of it.

So trying to be beat thought, it is like trying to beat someone who has all the data about you and it knows you, like trying to beat your own hand.